Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[Nebuchadnezer]

Updated vote count...

Vote Count

Neb(2)- cm5, edoc
dazza(1)- freezie
hippo(3)- sound, dazza, thechuck51,
jak(1)- spart
sniper(1)- jak
jonty(1)- clever, mob
eldario(8)- neb, shield, hippo, everywhere, djfireside, betiko, doomyoshi, jak111,


With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline is midnight May 1st, PST. If no lynch is decided by then, the day will end in a no lynch.

[cowboyz]

Well, deadline is coming up. I see no reason to not jump on the Eldario BW.

vote eldario

Deadline is in 5 days? Back in the days, we didn,t even have that for a full day.

Plenty of time left..

No doubt, this is a helluva long D1

Sidenote, someone mod a game with only active players, I'll join asap.

[Nebuchadnezer]

(sidenote) I'll be running an F11 game in just over a week! 9 players, fast deadlines. Gripping plot. Exciting storyline.

at least one those things I listed is true.

[freezie]

(sidenote) I'll be running an F11 game in just over a week! 9 players, fast deadlines. Gripping plot. Exciting storyline.

at least one those things I listed is true.

9 players and fast deadlines?

[Iron Butterfly]

I will VOTE ELDARIO

I am not voting to lynch but to gather information. We need fresh information to stir things up and to stimulate the discussion.

[MoB Deadly]

unvote vote eldario, I think this puts him at L-3, looks like claim time. I dont like us going into the weekend with not much to go on. I am first to admit my activity normally drops drastically during the weekends.

[soundman]

I still would like to go after Hippo. I have a strong scummy vibe coming from him. However since we are getting close to the deadline I'll be willing to hold off on him until D2. Looks like Eldario is at L3 so no need to put my vote on him yet. We may even get the chance to give Hippo more attention.

[dazza2008]

Unvote since the Hippo case is going no where. Glad people at least agree we should look into him in the future.

I guess I may have over reacted a little. I think his play has annoyed me for a long time and not just in this game. If he is scum in a game we will probably ignore it because it is what he does. Seems crazy to me.

I think there is enough pressure on Eldario and I think he should claim now so I will not vote yet.

[Leehar]

I'd also FoS clever and freezie (?) in attacking Dazza for a reasonable defence

Nope. CLEVER and freezie were fine. I also thought Dazza was flipping out for no reason. If it weren’t so close to deadline, I’d be willing to pressure him more. He does not react well. Granted, it’s all in how you read it, and thoughts/feelings do not translate well at all.

Again, this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. You were just as vigorous if not more so in defending yourself from the Flavour accusations, and dazza frankly had more reason to reply to the case (that wasn't even directly against him) with the contempt it deserved.

I'm not going to vote on the Eldario case just yet, because there's probably a larger list of inactives to compile, and I must admit to quite some skepticism on the bw and voting 'for more/fresh information'. I'm actually disappointed in you IB!

[Some7hingCLEVER]

i was gonna unvote to eldario realized that he is at l-3 and i dont feel like pushin it in the case of a double voter etc. etc. anyway i thought about it and jonty says some things. but eldario says nothing at all. he comes in says sorry im inactive then goes right back to doing it. i would vote him but i dont want the risk taken.

[Eldario]

I am Commander Locke, Vanilla Townie

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I am Commander Locke, Vanilla Townie

well you might as well have fake claimed dude. cause
1.) you are completly inactive
2.) vt are only useful when they are active...which you are not

therefore i will unvote vote eldario

[ghostly447]

Vote Count

Neb(6)- Skillfu, eldario, everywhere, cm5, mob, edoc
betiko(1)- cowboyz
dazza(1)- freezie
eldario(2)- Neb, yoshi
hippo(2)- sound, jonty
IB(1)- betiko
MoB(1)- hippo

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline is midnight May 1st, PST. If no lynch is decided by then, the day will end in a no lynch.

3. jak111
5. Iron Butterfly
8. Leehar
9. skillfusniper33
12. Eldario
13. SPARTACUS1974
14. Djfireside
15. dazza2008
19. Roussallier replaced by Some7hingClever
21. shieldgenerator7
22. thechuck51
23. ghostly447

12 people not voting... Hmm, anyone think we should squeeze out one or two information spoils? I'd go with IB, Dazza, Betiko, or Eldario if anyone agrees on one of them to squeeze some info out, hmm?

All 4 people that are 'not voting' are actually speaking and voicing their thoughts. I see no reason to pressure them for 'not voting' when they are contributing. Especially since dazza clearly posted her itentions...

But I am still waiting on Neb's answer to my question, before I take another route.

Small note actually. I was not posting because I didnt have time to play. Though I do not in any way see where I voiced my thoughts. I think freezie may be trying to act like s/he is giving input when, obviously, unless I am misunderstanding, is not true input.

Yes Leehar, I missed a single voter, what are you going to do? Burn me to the stake for missing a single name? Like I said it was just a simple list so we knew who was able to put their votes somewhere without having to take their votes away from another source.
If I must explain why I picked the four that I did, then I challenge you to do the same thing every time you place your vote on someone.

I put IB on the list because he/she is active yes, but I haven't played with this person and he/she has only really picked up the pace when I called him/her out on it. It could be said about a few people here but I'm interested in learning IB's tactics quickly.

I put Dazza on the list because he's... on and off this game, so far I usually see him getting in someones face, so either he's trying to lay low this time or he doesn't have a major role, either way it's useful perhaps getting info on him.

This is my second game with Betiko, again I'd like to learn his/her playing strategies. If he/she is scum it'd be useful catching him/her in a lie. Or if he/she is town it'd be useful getting aid into him/her.

Finally Eldario... This is another player I haven't played with before. Seems to be an agreeable target a while back.

I mean if you'd like I could change my list to Leehar, Leehar, Leehar, and what do you know... Leehar.

None of the people I mentioned do I wish to be lynched, I simply am looking for info for today to go on tonight.

You know, I dont normally take suspicion to Jak because he is very active in scum hunting..But if you wanted someone on your list, I am going to be honest and say I should have been on there. I am normally hyper-active, and though I was posting non stop that I was trying to get active, I cant see why he wouldnt have a little suspicion on me and be willing to pressure me. Weirdish logic, yes. A good point, possibly. Something worth looking into if activity drops? Absolutely.

So you made your list not for the common good of catching scum but in learning tactic of players you are playing? You make no mention of pressuring scum behavior. In essence you are creating a list that fits to your criteria and not anyone else.

What you seem to be saying is that you want others to pressure me to claim not because I have done anything wrong but because I would suit your agenda. You want to learn my tactics, whatever that means. You also seem to believe that you are the reason I am now posting actively. Having a child and family, job and real life drama combined with a useless joke vote phase AND other Mafia games couldn't possibly been the reason. In your eyes, because you got me playing that now entitles you to put me on a list to be pressured to claim?

At the end you seem to imply you don't want us lynched you just want information to take into the evening, which implies you would be happy with a no lynch as well.

Directly after the quote I took from jak. This is a really good point.

Vote Jak.

I don't think he answered what I asked earlier and his play here has been strange. His reasons for the players on his list to be pressured are weak. He is not scum hunting just wanting to pressure players to learn tactics or because I am not "in someone's face".

His whole play here looks like scum trying to look town.

Wow, plenty on P26. This post is simply restating exactly what was said by IB, and then jumping on the BW. It also concerns me, because he also hopped on the IB BW...With this:

There are 9 people NOT voting.

Those nine should vote now...or we just vote them to hang. That's a much simpler plan than a yoshi call. Lets at least get everyone with a vote somewhere for future reference...as much as this first vote means...

That just means 9 people never joke voted. That is no reason to pressure them. If they are completely inactive then maybe.

Why are you against the yoshi call? Got something to hide?

Nope. In fact I was at the bottom of the list, so I won't even have to rank anything. It just gets tiresome to sit through day one with absolutely no way to figure anything out. We all know the end result its a lynched townie anyway...why drag out the inevitable? Lets take our 5% shot and hear a claim...

Ok bud. Unvote vote Neb.

Yeah, that is very helpful... Lots of reasoning to push for the claim there .

Anyways, done reading page 26. I will finish tomorrow hopefully. Probably tonight. We will see. This is just my input for this class period, and I may be able to get a little more done (maybe 1 more page max) before leaving class today.

[freezie]

Vote Count

Neb(6)- Skillfu, eldario, everywhere, cm5, mob, edoc
betiko(1)- cowboyz
dazza(1)- freezie
eldario(2)- Neb, yoshi
hippo(2)- sound, jonty
IB(1)- betiko
MoB(1)- hippo

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline is midnight May 1st, PST. If no lynch is decided by then, the day will end in a no lynch.

3. jak111
5. Iron Butterfly
8. Leehar
9. skillfusniper33
12. Eldario
13. SPARTACUS1974
14. Djfireside
15. dazza2008
19. Roussallier replaced by Some7hingClever
21. shieldgenerator7
22. thechuck51
23. ghostly447

12 people not voting... Hmm, anyone think we should squeeze out one or two information spoils? I'd go with IB, Dazza, Betiko, or Eldario if anyone agrees on one of them to squeeze some info out, hmm?

All 4 people that are 'not voting' are actually speaking and voicing their thoughts. I see no reason to pressure them for 'not voting' when they are contributing. Especially since dazza clearly posted her itentions...

But I am still waiting on Neb's answer to my question, before I take another route.

Small note actually. I was not posting because I didnt have time to play. Though I do not in any way see where I voiced my thoughts. I think freezie may be trying to act like s/he is giving input when, obviously, unless I am misunderstanding, is not true input.

I may have misworded my thoughts. I meant, the 4 people that Jak called out were seemingly active, even though they didn't casted their vote yet. You weren't called my Jak in those 4 people.

[Nebuchadnezer]

I am Commander Locke, Vanilla Townie

Great. I will have to check my list at home to see if this makes sense. If he were active and contributing I'd be inclined to leave him alone...but given his level of contribution, there might be no harm in testing his claim. Otherwise, we run the risk of giving all vt claims a free pass.

I'm up for discussion on this one...at least I put up some reasons with my claim as well as putting up a fight to not get lynched. This was just pathetic.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I am Commander Locke, Vanilla Townie

Great. I will have to check my list at home to see if this makes sense. If he were active and contributing I'd be inclined to leave him alone...but given his level of contribution, there might be no harm in testing his claim. Otherwise, we run the risk of giving all vt claims a free pass.

I'm up for discussion on this one...at least I put up some reasons with my claim as well as putting up a fight to not get lynched. This was just pathetic.

i 100% agree that if he was active id unvote but he is no use and there may be a good try in testing his claim. if anyone has his claim i suggest not counter claiming as to not give yourself away. if he starts to get out of it and he is losing pressure then do it otherwise protect your identity.

[jonty125]

I am Commander Locke, Vanilla Townie

unvote vote Eldario

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0234215/fullcredits#cast

It's Commander Lock. Not Locke

[cowboyz]

I am Commander Locke, Vanilla Townie

unvote vote Eldario

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0234215/fullcredits#cast

It's Commander Lock. Not Locke

Good catch, that might do it for me. I think Eldario would be safe lynch.

Should we go ahead and lynch or is it better to use rest of D1 for info?

[betiko]

i don't know, i'm like 90% sure he is telling the truth.
but I also think there are strong chances that mafia members have fake claims.
Anyway, i wonder if it's worth exposing more roles for a day 1 if we have 2 VTs out there, and i might prefer eldario's case over neb's.
Let's hear more from eldario first about the spelling issue.

[everywhere116]

I am Commander Locke, Vanilla Townie

unvote vote Eldario

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0234215/fullcredits#cast

It's Commander Lock. Not Locke

Knowing nothing of Matrix lore, that is a good catch. Lesser mods might make a mistake like that, but I doubt saf would.

I think that seals the deal. If I could vote for him twice I would.

[betiko]

I am Commander Locke, Vanilla Townie

unvote vote Eldario

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0234215/fullcredits#cast

It's Commander Lock. Not Locke

Knowing nothing of Matrix lore, that is a good catch. Lesser mods might make a mistake like that, but I doubt saf would.

I think that seals the deal. If I could vote for him twice I would.

he didn't copy paste apparently, and he might have just misspelled.

[Leehar]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mi ... ries#Locke
?...

It's predominantly Locke overall, but in the 7th and 8th paragraphs it is 'Sparks answers a call from Lock' etc but I really doubt this is a lynch worthy call either way

[everywhere116]

And the Matrix wiki is consistent in calling him "Lock", although it does seem to be a common misconception to call him locke...

Jason Lock

Ok, but he still an inactive VT.

[cowboyz]

i don't know, i'm like 90% sure he is telling the truth.
but I also think there are strong chances that mafia members have fake claims.
Anyway, i wonder if it's worth exposing more roles for a day 1 if we have 2 VTs out there, and i might prefer eldario's case over neb's.
Let's hear more from eldario first about the spelling issue.

What makes you 90% sure?

I am Commander Locke, Vanilla Townie

unvote vote Eldario

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0234215/fullcredits#cast

It's Commander Lock. Not Locke

Knowing nothing of Matrix lore, that is a good catch. Lesser mods might make a mistake like that, but I doubt saf would.

I think that seals the deal. If I could vote for him twice I would.

he didn't copy paste apparently, and he might have just misspelled.

Those are 2 possibilities, but why not leave in the possibility that he slipped up and got caught?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_characters_in_the_Matrix_series#Locke
?...

It's predominantly Locke overall, but in the 7th and 8th paragraphs it is 'Sparks answers a call from Lock' etc but I really doubt this is a lynch worthy call either way

Well if there are 2 different spellings it isn't as big a deal as immediate lynch worthy.

Betiko, please explain what made you 90% sure of eldario's innocence and there being no option for him to have slipped up when making the supposed typo

[Djfireside]

The spelling I dont think is something that is a issue.

I havent gotten any bead on them because they havent said anything in regards to it nor done anything to help their claim or defend their own statement which just leads them further down the rabbit hole. Based on his commander position I figured he may have had some power from Zion's arsenal or maybe a jilted lover with the other ships captain who went for Morpheus instead. While it can fit Im not so sure. Plus, Inactive VT doesnt measure up in my books unfortunately.