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crispybits wrote:So it's petty to point out that you have claimed to be a man of faith when you said you hadn't?
I wonder what that makes it to point out that science is faith and not based on evidence?
BigBallinStalin wrote:When you go to open a door, you don't doubt the existence of the doorknob by pondering that there may be no doorknob, or no door for that matter. If you sincerely doubt reality, you'll attempt to walk through..
warmonger1981 wrote:God is not bound by laws of physics. God is outside of time.space and material.
warmonger1981 wrote:...Crispy in this forum I made no reference to being a believer in a God. You would have to search my posts from past to get that... my religious beliefe has no relevance in this conversation so why bring it up? Lets stick to the subject please. And yes chang I am trying to be more neutral on this subject not misrepresent myself. You just took it that way. How do we know this is not some kind of matrix style world? Not saying I believe this but what if? Its onlly as real as our senses will let us feel. Some people claim out of body experiences or life after death experiences. I'm just asking crazy questions here. And my Webster dictionary has faith as: unquestioning beliefe or loyalty.
tzor wrote:warmonger1981 wrote:God is not bound by laws of physics. God is outside of time.space and material.
While I agree with the second point I have to wonder about the first point. If God has made the laws of Physics how can God then violate the laws that He has made? Would that mean that God has gone against His own nature?
PLAYER57832 wrote:God did not "make" the "laws of physics". The laws are not actually laws in that frame.. they are not "does and do not's". They are explanations that human beings have found and that, so far, we have found to be unbreakable within the systems we can access to date.
crispybits wrote:Also worth remembering is that we cannot know if this is the only universe. There could conceivaly be as many different universes as there are atoms in this universe, all with different parameters and rules and relationships between different bits and pieces.
Lionz wrote:How about address moon stuff if you want, but what in general isn't based on circular reasoning and suggests that a) there is universal common descent as opposed to a creation of separate kinds of creatures that were created to bring forth variety after their kinds and b) the earth came to be created from natural processes slowly over billions of years without any intelligent influence as opposed to being the result of an intelligent Being creating it out of nothing?
In the beginning, when God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was without form or shape, with darkness over the abyss and a mighty wind sweeping over the waters
* [1:2] This verse is parenthetical, describing in three phases the pre-creation state symbolized by the chaos out of which God brings order: “earth,” hidden beneath the encompassing cosmic waters, could not be seen, and thus had no “form”; there was only darkness; turbulent wind swept over the waters. Commencing with the last-named elements (darkness and water), vv. 3–10 describe the rearrangement of this chaos: light is made (first day) and the water is divided into water above and water below the earth so that the earth appears and is no longer “without outline.” The abyss: the primordial ocean according to the ancient Semitic cosmogony. After God’s creative activity, part of this vast body forms the salt-water seas (vv. 9–10); part of it is the fresh water under the earth (Ps 33:7; Ez 31:4), which wells forth on the earth as springs and fountains (Gn 7:11; 8:2; Prv 3:20). Part of it, “the upper water” (Ps 148:4; Dn 3:60), is held up by the dome of the sky (vv. 6–7), from which rain descends on the earth (Gn 7:11; 2 Kgs 7:2, 19; Ps 104:13). A mighty wind: literally, “spirit or breath [ruah] of God”; cf. Gn 8:1.
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.
oVo wrote:CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.
Every breath you take.
warmonger1981 wrote:ill be watching you.
rdsrds2120 wrote:
BMO
Army of GOD wrote:I joined this game because it's so similar to Call of Duty.
Lionz wrote:How about address moon stuff if you want, but what in general isn't based on circular reasoning and suggests that a) there is universal common descent as opposed to a creation of separate kinds of creatures that were created to bring forth variety after their kinds and b) the earth came to be created from natural processes slowly over billions of years without any intelligent influence as opposed to being the result of an intelligent Being creating it out of nothing?
tzor wrote:crispybits wrote:Also worth remembering is that we cannot know if this is the only universe. There could conceivaly be as many different universes as there are atoms in this universe, all with different parameters and rules and relationships between different bits and pieces.
Actually, we might be able. Interactions between universes in the multiverse had been posulated at one point (and I haven't kept up with astrphysics in the last few years) for the variations in the acceleration of the universe over time from the original big bang models. The only thing we definitely cannot know is what we definitely cannot observe.
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