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Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
zimmah wrote:Mind like a brick.
edocsil wrote:Give us Mr. Heats name or you swing. TBH We have no reason to keep you around and at this point I simply assume you are lying about town win compatibility. We hang Heat, and if it sounds like leaving you alive after the scene isn't a dumb idea we wont NK you.
spiesr wrote:If you put me a L-1 Soundman will come in a hammer me. (Becuase he is the Heat Miser and we are both Lynchers of each other.) So don't do that.Kanin Usagi wrote:Give us the heat miser's name and I won't put my vote on you.
betiko wrote:I'd like to hear from soundman and to learn more about both role mechanics. I see no reason no to trust nendreel. he has a key role and everyone will have his eyes on him tonight. Spiesr didn't deny he's third party so nendreel is pretty much clear and can be trusted whenever he gets a cop result.
betiko wrote:edocsil wrote:Give us Mr. Heats name or you swing. TBH We have no reason to keep you around and at this point I simply assume you are lying about town win compatibility. We hang Heat, and if it sounds like leaving you alive after the scene isn't a dumb idea we wont NK you.
he's already said itspiesr wrote:If you put me a L-1 Soundman will come in a hammer me. (Becuase he is the Heat Miser and we are both Lynchers of each other.) So don't do that.Kanin Usagi wrote:Give us the heat miser's name and I won't put my vote on you.
I'd like to hear from soundman and to learn more about both role mechanics. I see no reason no to trust nendreel. he has a key role and everyone will have his eyes on him tonight. Spiesr didn't deny he's third party so nendreel is pretty much clear and can be trusted whenever he gets a cop result.
If it comes down to cold vs heat I'd go for lynching heat though. But I think it's really odd that spiesr could be told who is heat in his PM, there's a lot of things these 2 need to clarify.
aage wrote: Maybe you're right, but since we receive no handlebars from the mod I think we should get some ourselves.
Metsfanmax wrote:betiko wrote:I'd like to hear from soundman and to learn more about both role mechanics. I see no reason no to trust nendreel. he has a key role and everyone will have his eyes on him tonight. Spiesr didn't deny he's third party so nendreel is pretty much clear and can be trusted whenever he gets a cop result.
This is not clear at all. Even if he's right about spiesr, that doesn't clear him as town.
As a lyncher type role I was told who my target is. I was under the impression that this is normal for this sort of role. I have no night action and even if I were to get gifts killing Soundman would not fulfill my condition. (I would just revert to a normal survivor.) The thing holding me back from just going for a straight attempt to lynch Soundman by making a case or lying about evidence is that it was implied, but not outright stated, that he has the same role. So if I were to try and get him lynched he could just claim that I was lynchering him. (Which would be true.)betiko wrote:But I think it's really odd that spiesr could be told who is heat in his PM, there's a lot of things these 2 need to clarify.
Fine with me. As I said in my previous post it is Soundman.edocsil wrote:Give us Mr. Heats name or you swing. TBH We have no reason to keep you around and at this point I simply assume you are lying about town win compatibility. We hang Heat, and if it sounds like leaving you alive after the scene isn't a dumb idea we wont NK you.
I cannot be 100% certain about every detail of his role. I don't see any reason why he would be mafia aligned. The information that I do have points to him being a mirror of my own role.betiko wrote:Do you know if he's third party or mafia?
edocsil wrote:Give us Mr. Heats name or you swing. TBH We have no reason to keep you around and at this point I simply assume you are lying about town win compatibility. We hang Heat, and if it sounds like leaving you alive after the scene isn't a dumb idea we wont NK you.
soundman wrote:Well this is interesting. My role is Heat Miser however I'm not a lyncher, I'm a survivor. I was told that my brother Cold Miser wishes me gone and is trying to lynch me. My goal is to survive till endgame (True survivor role, just with a twist) without him completing his mission (Or everyone loses). I have no special abilities of any kind and I wasn't told who the Cold Miser is. Now that I know I'd rather not give him the chance of killing me and fulfilling his WC. Vote Spiesr.
soundman wrote:My goal is to survive till endgame (True survivor role, just with a twist) without him completing his mission (Or everyone loses).
So, this is the route you have decided to take? I guess I can't really hold it against you, I mean rolling the dice with this bluff may be your best shot of winning at this point.soundman wrote:Well this is interesting. My role is Heat Miser however I'm not a lyncher, I'm a survivor. I was told that my brother Cold Miser wishes me gone and is trying to lynch me. My goal is to survive till endgame (True survivor role, just with a twist) without him completing his mission (Or everyone loses). I have no special abilities of any kind and I wasn't told who the Cold Miser is. Now that I know I'd rather not give him the chance of killing me and fulfilling his WC. Vote Spiesr.
spiesr wrote:So, this is the route you have decided to take? I guess I can't really hold it against you, I mean rolling the dice with this bluff may be your best shot of winning at this point.soundman wrote:Well this is interesting. My role is Heat Miser however I'm not a lyncher, I'm a survivor. I was told that my brother Cold Miser wishes me gone and is trying to lynch me. My goal is to survive till endgame (True survivor role, just with a twist) without him completing his mission (Or everyone loses). I have no special abilities of any kind and I wasn't told who the Cold Miser is. Now that I know I'd rather not give him the chance of killing me and fulfilling his WC. Vote Spiesr.
So for the sake of those of your you have to decide what to do now I will point of a flaw in his claim this strongly points towards him lying. He says that everyone loses should he be lynched. There is no way the this game has that mechanic. A game where a single mislynch is an instant lose has to be specific balanced around such a concept. This one pretty clearly isn't. For example, a day can end in a lynch without a majority for it. Had pancakemix remembered this early enough to have it in effect on Day 1 then, if what Soundman says is true, I could have won the game Day 1 by just leaving Soundman with a couple of votes when the deadline hit. No way is this game, an Official one at that, set up like that.
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anamainiacks wrote:spiesr wrote:So, this is the route you have decided to take? I guess I can't really hold it against you, I mean rolling the dice with this bluff may be your best shot of winning at this point.soundman wrote:Well this is interesting. My role is Heat Miser however I'm not a lyncher, I'm a survivor. I was told that my brother Cold Miser wishes me gone and is trying to lynch me. My goal is to survive till endgame (True survivor role, just with a twist) without him completing his mission (Or everyone loses). I have no special abilities of any kind and I wasn't told who the Cold Miser is. Now that I know I'd rather not give him the chance of killing me and fulfilling his WC. Vote Spiesr.
So for the sake of those of your you have to decide what to do now I will point of a flaw in his claim this strongly points towards him lying. He says that everyone loses should he be lynched. There is no way the this game has that mechanic. A game where a single mislynch is an instant lose has to be specific balanced around such a concept. This one pretty clearly isn't. For example, a day can end in a lynch without a majority for it. Had pancakemix remembered this early enough to have it in effect on Day 1 then, if what Soundman says is true, I could have won the game Day 1 by just leaving Soundman with a couple of votes when the deadline hit. No way is this game, an Official one at that, set up like that.
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So what does happen, when you get him eliminated (and according to you, he gets you eliminated)? Or does your win condition include surviving till the end with the rest of the villagers? In which case, if you survived till the end with the villagers AND the Heat Miser, you both lose?
And so you mean to say that pcm clearly stated/implied in his PM to you that the Snow Miser (soundman) is an exact opposite if your role - nothing more, nothing less?
aage wrote: Maybe you're right, but since we receive no handlebars from the mod I think we should get some ourselves.
spiesr wrote:So for the sake of those of your you have to decide what to do now I will point of a flaw in his claim this strongly points towards him lying. He says that everyone loses should he be lynched. There is no way the this game has that mechanic. A game where a single mislynch is an instant lose has to be specific balanced around such a concept. This one pretty clearly isn't. For example, a day can end in a lynch without a majority for it. Had pancakemix remembered this early enough to have it in effect on Day 1 then, if what Soundman says is true, I could have won the game Day 1 by just leaving Soundman with a couple of votes when the deadline hit. No way is this game, an Official one at that, set up like that.
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rishaed wrote:anamainiacks wrote:So what does happen, when you get him eliminated (and according to you, he gets you eliminated)? Or does your win condition include surviving till the end with the rest of the villagers? In which case, if you survived till the end with the villagers AND the Heat Miser, you both lose?
And so you mean to say that pcm clearly stated/implied in his PM to you that the Heat Miser (soundman) is an exact opposite if your role - nothing more, nothing less?
speisr claimed the COLD MISER, Soundman is the HEAT MISER. I don't even know if we have a SnowMiser.
soundman was the one that called spiesr a COLD MISER.spiesr wrote:What I am is Mr. White Christmas, Mr. 10 Below. As the Snow Miser my goals are different than the town, but not necessarily incompatible with theirs. I want to survive this game and prevent the Heat Miser from doing the same.
As far as my research showed, Rankin/Bass didn't have any Cold Miser; though I don't think this counts as a slip on soundman's part, since it seems intuitive that 'Cold' is the opposite of 'Heat'.soundman wrote:I have no special abilities of any kind and I wasn't told who the Cold Miser is.
aage wrote: Maybe you're right, but since we receive no handlebars from the mod I think we should get some ourselves.
My pm did not state what exactly happens should I succeed in lynching Soundman. I have sent an inquiry about the subject and am waiting for a response. My assumption would be that I am declared to have won and removed from the game while the rest of you continue the mafia town battle. My pm does not make any direct statements about Soundman's role, apart from his character being the Heat Miser, but it does imply it to an extent.anamainiacks wrote:So what does happen, when you get him eliminated (and according to you, he gets you eliminated)? Or does your win condition include surviving till the end with the rest of the villagers? In which case, if you survived till the end with the villagers AND the Heat Miser, you both lose?
And so you mean to say that pcm clearly stated/implied in his PM to you that the Snow Miser (soundman) is an exact opposite if your role - nothing more, nothing less?
The way your initial post was worded seemed to indicate that my Lyncher victory ending the game was among the things you were told rather than a random assumption on your part.soundman wrote:http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lyncher Actually he may be right here. I only read the first part and missed the third paragraph. The first paragraph makes it sound like everyone would lose to the lyncher. But the third says otherwise. Don't know if that's how it's being run in this game but it seems likely.
Commander9 wrote:Rodion wrote:Vote Commander9 for being Commander9.
I am convinced by your argument.
Vote Commander9.
Kanin Usagi wrote:Why don't we just leave them both alive? Neither can win unless the majority is behind the lynch, so we can effectively do nothing with them and it won't affect us.
I assume there is a Mother Nature in this game. Maybe Mother Nature wins if both of them survive until end game?
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