Has Anyone Noticed?

[BigBallinStalin]

You're making up a bunch of nonsense because I'm refusing to hold a discussion with you for reasons already stated yet ignored. Maybe if you act more like an ass, you'll get what you want?

[Funkyterrance]

If these insignificant improvements do not lead to profitability, then those resources (thought, time, labor, etc.) which were spent on improving insignificant aspects were wasted--relative to pursuing better opportunities. Do you feel that CC is pursuing the better opportunities?

The problem is it's not blatantly obvious which improvements are are most cost effective. An "insignificant" update may actually be an efficient use of time/resources if it's relative cost is small. I can't say if CC is pursuing the best opportuities because it's hard telling not knowing but yeah, I do have some faith that they are smart enough to learn from their actions.

Would the resources spent on [insert superficial improvement here] have been better spent on more important features?

Do the decision-makers even know how to determine which is more important?


Are they satisfying the right groups at the right time with the highest priority?

How do they know?

The answers to these questions are also hard to say but it stands to reason that the decision makers, having better access to the data regarding the site, would be able to make the most educated guess. Even then, I'm sure there is a good deal of guesswork as well as some faith in the users to have half a clue as to what they want and(this is a leap) what will attract new users. The latter is of course the biggest unknown of all.

Although a few customers may have been satisfied with marginal improvements, does that correct the current trend of decline?

Does that bring CC to the path of long-run profitability? (Is that even the goal of the owner, or is he hoping to sell soon and be done with it?)

If these insignificant improvements do not lead to profitability, then those resources (thought, time, labor, etc.) which were spent on improving insignificant aspects were wasted--relative to pursuing better opportunities. Do you feel that CC is pursuing the better opportunities?

I honestly think that the important thing is that they are trying. You could spend all day debating which updates are going to be the most profitable/cost effective for the long run but until you actually try some out it's all just conjecture. Eventually you have to get your hands dirty and do some wading in order to have any kind of idea what really will make a positive difference and I feel that's just what they're doing. They may make some mistakes/non-optimal choices but if they pay attention to the resultant trends I think they will prevail.

[BigBallinStalin]

I honestly think that the important thing is that they are trying. You could spend all day debating which updates are going to be the most profitable/cost effective for the long run but until you actually try some out it's all just conjecture. Eventually you have to get your hands dirty and do some wading in order to have any kind of idea what really will make a positive difference and I feel that's just what they're doing. They may make some mistakes/non-optimal choices but if they pay attention to the resultant trends I think they will prevail.

I hope so, but I think they lack the know-how--even though there's plenty of ideas on the board. Instead of your utopian vision, I look forward to a hallowed-out CC of 30 grumpy, regular forum-goers. In the desolate corner of cyberspace, their arguments would escape the notice of those in the RL. Then over the years, they slowly wither away, but their posts shall remain as incomplete reflections of their souls--both tortured and misunderstood.

I can dream, can't I, FT?

[Funkyterrance]

I hope so, but I think they lack the know-how--even though there's plenty of ideas on the board. Instead of your utopian vision, I look forward to a hallowed-out CC of 30 grumpy, regular forum-goers. In the desolate corner of cyberspace, their arguments would escape the notice of those in the RL. Then over the years, they slowly wither away, but their posts shall remain as incomplete reflections of their souls--both tortured and misunderstood.

I can dream, can't I, FT?

Lolz.
Yeah, I'm being optimistic I'll admit but let's call it a hunch? Your version certainly sounds more romantic, I'll give you that.

[Dukasaur]

I honestly think that the important thing is that they are trying. You could spend all day debating which updates are going to be the most profitable/cost effective for the long run but until you actually try some out it's all just conjecture. Eventually you have to get your hands dirty and do some wading in order to have any kind of idea what really will make a positive difference and I feel that's just what they're doing. They may make some mistakes/non-optimal choices but if they pay attention to the resultant trends I think they will prevail.

+1

Public interest is fickle, and despite propaganda to the contrary, marketing is more of an art than a science. A majority of people in focus groups preferred New Coke over old, but when released to the public, it was a legendary flop. Ultimately sometimes the only way forward is to just put one foot in front of the other and see what happens.

[greenoaks]

not long after the site changed hands the new owner pm'd me saying he'd really like to hear my thoughts on how to improve Tournaments. i felt honoured so i clicked reply and got

The webmaster does not accept messages.

[Funkyterrance]

Public interest is fickle, and despite propaganda to the contrary, marketing is more of an art than a science. A majority of people in focus groups preferred New Coke over old, but when released to the public, it was a legendary flop. Ultimately sometimes the only way forward is to just put one foot in front of the other and see what happens.

Great case in point, Dukasaur.

[BigBallinStalin]

not long after the site changed hands the new owner pm'd me saying he'd really like to hear my thoughts on how to improve Tournaments. i felt honoured so i clicked reply and got

The webmaster does not accept messages.

Send a PM to King Achilles; he'll fix the problem by banning you or something. Customer service and all that.

[Frito Bandito]

I honestly think that the important thing is that they are trying. You could spend all day debating which updates are going to be the most profitable/cost effective for the long run but until you actually try some out it's all just conjecture. Eventually you have to get your hands dirty and do some wading in order to have any kind of idea what really will make a positive difference and I feel that's just what they're doing. They may make some mistakes/non-optimal choices but if they pay attention to the resultant trends I think they will prevail.

I hope so, but I think they lack the know-how--even though there's plenty of ideas on the board. Instead of your utopian vision, I look forward to a hallowed-out CC of 30 grumpy, regular forum-goers. In the desolate corner of cyberspace, their arguments would escape the notice of those in the RL. Then over the years, they slowly wither away, but their posts shall remain as incomplete reflections of their souls--both tortured and misunderstood.

I can dream, can't I, FT?

You do realize, BBS, you are one of the 30 grumpy regulars?

[Woodruff]

I know it's much more fun to bitch but has anyone noticed that there have been some pretty thoughtful improvements to CC lately? The quick edit thing, the changes to the games waiting list, etc..

To risk not being in fashion, I would have to say CC has become more fun for me in the past month or so. Perhaps some credit is due to the new leadership? I'm thinking these changes are a sign of good things to come.

Meh...do we still have relatively-simple 6-year-old suggestions-that-are-really-bug-fixes uncoded? Can't say I'm that impressed.

[Funkyterrance]

Meh...do we still have relatively-simple 6-year-old suggestions-that-are-really-bug-fixes uncoded? Can't say I'm that impressed.

These things take time, Woody. How many years did you give the old regime before you dropped your premium? I still say that the new management seems busy and that's a good thing.

[ljex]

not long after the site changed hands the new owner pm'd me saying he'd really like to hear my thoughts on how to improve Tournaments. i felt honoured so i clicked reply and got

The webmaster does not accept messages.

That is likely old coding from Lackattack's webmaster days. It may be that the current webmaster is not even aware that this is an issue. I would suggest sending rds a reply.

The fact that the new webmaster even asked is a step up from lack though

[greenoaks]

not long after the site changed hands the new owner pm'd me saying he'd really like to hear my thoughts on how to improve Tournaments. i felt honoured so i clicked reply and got

The webmaster does not accept messages.

That is likely old coding from Lackattack's webmaster days. It may be that the current webmaster is not even aware that this is an issue. I would suggest sending rds a reply.

The fact that the new webmaster even asked is a step up from lack though

that never occurred to me.

[Dukasaur]

I know it's much more fun to bitch but has anyone noticed that there have been some pretty thoughtful improvements to CC lately? The quick edit thing, the changes to the games waiting list, etc..

To risk not being in fashion, I would have to say CC has become more fun for me in the past month or so. Perhaps some credit is due to the new leadership? I'm thinking these changes are a sign of good things to come.

Meh...do we still have relatively-simple 6-year-old suggestions-that-are-really-bug-fixes uncoded? Can't say I'm that impressed.

You've alluded to this 6-year-old suggestion at least 10 times in the two years that I've been here. Would you please enlighten us about what it is? Perhaps it's buried in the pile and none of people in charge now have ever seen it. I would be happy to bring it to someone's attention for you.

[Gillipig]

I know it's much more fun to bitch but has anyone noticed that there have been some pretty thoughtful improvements to CC lately? The quick edit thing, the changes to the games waiting list, etc..

To risk not being in fashion, I would have to say CC has become more fun for me in the past month or so. Perhaps some credit is due to the new leadership? I'm thinking these changes are a sign of good things to come.

No one is as out of fashion as you funky, you have nothing to fear. The bottom is already yours, you can't sink any lower mate.

[BigBallinStalin]

I know it's much more fun to bitch but has anyone noticed that there have been some pretty thoughtful improvements to CC lately? The quick edit thing, the changes to the games waiting list, etc..

To risk not being in fashion, I would have to say CC has become more fun for me in the past month or so. Perhaps some credit is due to the new leadership? I'm thinking these changes are a sign of good things to come.

No one is as out of fashion as you funky, you have nothing to fear. The bottom is already yours, you can't sink any lower mate.

BEHOLD! King of the Bottom.

[Funkyterrance]

WTF???

[Dukasaur]

Bravo!

Let me be the first to congratulate the development team on the new system of tooltips within the game!

[macbone]

Indeed! Very newbie friendly!

I just hope BOB + Clickies are back soon. They seem to be allergic to site updates. =)

[Dukasaur]

Indeed! Very newbie friendly!

I just hope BOB + Clickies are back soon. They seem to be allergic to site updates. =)

Yeah, every update requires a BOB update as well. Still, a day or two without BOB is a small price to pay to be getting some site upgrades.

[The Voice]

Indeed! Very newbie friendly!

I just hope BOB + Clickies are back soon. They seem to be allergic to site updates. =)

Yeah, every update requires a BOB update as well. Still, a day or two without BOB is a small price to pay to be getting some site upgrades.

1-2 days of BOB>Tooltips

It's funny that approximately a week after the OP praising CC leadership, the unplanned API outage began.

[AAFitz]

Indeed! Very newbie friendly!

I just hope BOB + Clickies are back soon. They seem to be allergic to site updates. =)

Yeah, every update requires a BOB update as well. Still, a day or two without BOB is a small price to pay to be getting some site upgrades.

But one turn without clickable maps isnt.

I just joined a few games too, and the site click maps is so bad I dont even want to play them. How can they f*ck something so perfect up? Seriously.

[Dukasaur]

Indeed! Very newbie friendly!

I just hope BOB + Clickies are back soon. They seem to be allergic to site updates. =)

Yeah, every update requires a BOB update as well. Still, a day or two without BOB is a small price to pay to be getting some site upgrades.

But one turn without clickable maps isnt.

I just joined a few games too, and the site click maps is so bad I dont even want to play them. How can they f*ck something so perfect up? Seriously.

I've experimented with using the clickies and I always go back to the pull-downs in the end, so I honestly don't know what the big deal about clickies is. I know some people swear by them, but unless you're playing freestyle speed then it seems that spending a few extra seconds to use the pull-downs is worth it, for being able to choose the exact number of troops that you want to advance instead of only choosing between advance none and advance all.

[iAmCaffeine]

Indeed! Very newbie friendly!

I just hope BOB + Clickies are back soon. They seem to be allergic to site updates. =)

Yeah, every update requires a BOB update as well. Still, a day or two without BOB is a small price to pay to be getting some site upgrades.

But one turn without clickable maps isnt.

I just joined a few games too, and the site click maps is so bad I dont even want to play them. How can they f*ck something so perfect up? Seriously.

I've experimented with using the clickies and I always go back to the pull-downs in the end, so I honestly don't know what the big deal about clickies is. I know some people swear by them, but unless you're playing freestyle speed then it seems that spending a few extra seconds to use the pull-downs is worth it, for being able to choose the exact number of troops that you want to advance instead of only choosing between advance none and advance all.

How many active games do you have? I'm currently on 118 and don't fancy taking the amount of turns I do every day with drop downs.

[macbone]

I know, duk, it's much faster with clickies. I especially love the advance all feature of Clickable Maps. My turns are a lot faster with 'em.

For Term/Standard games when I'm dropping multiple places, it's just click, click, click and done. Very handy for foggy maps, too.