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When we feel pain, such as when we touch a hot stove, sensory receptors in our skin send a message via nerve fibres (A-delta fibres and C fibres) to the spinal cord and brainstem and then onto the brain where the sensation of pain is registered, the information is processed and the pain is perceived.
DoomYoshi wrote:That description doesn't describe whether or not pain is a good thing or a bad thing. It's just a sensation... which AI presumably don't know about. It is a sensation that is avoided... but why? What possible analogy could I make to a mind without a body why some sensations would be avoided?
Is pain what you feel when you try to divide by zero or when your RAM overloads?
tzor wrote:The problem here is you are linking two different ideas, intelligence and awareness. Artificial awareness is a far more complex subject. You really don't need to be "intelligent" to be "aware" and vice versa. An intelligence can understand things from an abstract point of view but it takes awareness to link that thing to be in line with its own awareness. There is a reason why pain exists and I can easily see designers placing pain systems into the system to prevent the AI from doing something rash and potentially damaging the expensive hardware that the AI is supposed to support. But until that AI is aware it can't relate that overriding data with anything else.
DoomYoshi wrote:That description doesn't describe whether or not pain is a good thing or a bad thing. It's just a sensation... which AI presumably don't know about. It is a sensation that is avoided... but why? What possible analogy could I make to a mind without a body why some sensations would be avoided?
DoomYoshi wrote:Placing pain systems into the system actually seems like a bad idea. It might be better if AI wasn't given incentive to self-propagate and self-protect.
riskllama wrote:Koolbak wins this thread.
Dukasaur wrote:Which absolutely leads us to the next question....
"Will AI entities develop addictions analogous to smoking or drinking?"
Dukasaur wrote:Which absolutely leads us to the next question....
"Will AI entities develop addictions analogous to smoking or drinking?"
riskllama wrote:Koolbak wins this thread.
mookiemcgee wrote:The question OP question is vague and requires further defining.... I mean can animals understand pain by your definition? They can experience it, but can they understand it?
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
Neoteny wrote:mookiemcgee wrote:The question OP question is vague and requires further defining.... I mean can animals understand pain by your definition? They can experience it, but can they understand it?
If DoomYoshi has never brought a woman to orgasm, can he really comprehend that women can enjoy sex?
mookiemcgee wrote:The question OP question is vague and requires further defining.... I mean can animals understand pain by your definition? They can experience it, but can they understand it?
Neoteny wrote:If DoomYoshi has never brought a woman to orgasm, can he really comprehend that women can enjoy sex?
Symmetry wrote:Weirdly a lot of this involves whether humans have the right to create life with intelligence and decision making abilities.
tzor wrote:Neoteny wrote:If DoomYoshi has never brought a woman to orgasm, can he really comprehend that women can enjoy sex?
Isn't this a Turing test problem or worse an Elisha problem? How would DoomYoshi know if she was faking it?
tzor wrote:Symmetry wrote:Weirdly a lot of this involves whether humans have the right to create life with intelligence and decision making abilities.
I'm pretty sure sure making babies has NOTHING to do with this conversation.
Symmetry wrote:Weirdly a lot of this involves whether humans have the right to create life with intelligence and decision making abilities.
mookiemcgee wrote:Symmetry wrote:Weirdly a lot of this involves whether humans have the right to create life with intelligence and decision making abilities.
There is no such thing... We could claim to make a right or restrict one, but in the end when humans can do something some of them find a way to do it regardless of restrictions given by any gov't or corporation.
Basically, being able to do something is the only right required to do it. Rape is illegal but it happens, same with murder, same with (trying) cloning people, same with stupid people injecting themselves with stem cells hoping for a miracle cure. Nothing will stop human progress, not even people. Case and point, North Korea has nukes.
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