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GoranZ wrote:Boeing 737 Max is no longer dangerous... as it looks like it might be grounded indefinitely. President Trump Orders Max 737 8 Planes Grounded Indefinitely
To make the things more interesting Ethiopia Will Not Send Flight’s Black Box To U.S., Says U.S. Cannot Be Trusted
Reliable replacements on the market... Comac C919, Irkut MC-21 or few Airbus models.
waauw wrote:GoranZ wrote:Boeing 737 Max is no longer dangerous... as it looks like it might be grounded indefinitely. President Trump Orders Max 737 8 Planes Grounded Indefinitely
To make the things more interesting Ethiopia Will Not Send Flight’s Black Box To U.S., Says U.S. Cannot Be Trusted
Reliable replacements on the market... Comac C919, Irkut MC-21 or few Airbus models.
With all due respect, but there is a reason the aerospace sector for these size planes is considered a duopoly. Neither Comac, nor Irkut can for the moment compete with the tech levels of Boeing and Airbus. In the case of Comac, they weren't even planning on competing with them yet. They knew their technological inferiority and set their targets by 2025, if I remember correctly.
GoranZ wrote:waauw wrote:GoranZ wrote:Boeing 737 Max is no longer dangerous... as it looks like it might be grounded indefinitely. President Trump Orders Max 737 8 Planes Grounded Indefinitely
To make the things more interesting Ethiopia Will Not Send Flight’s Black Box To U.S., Says U.S. Cannot Be Trusted
Reliable replacements on the market... Comac C919, Irkut MC-21 or few Airbus models.
With all due respect, but there is a reason the aerospace sector for these size planes is considered a duopoly. Neither Comac, nor Irkut can for the moment compete with the tech levels of Boeing and Airbus. In the case of Comac, they weren't even planning on competing with them yet. They knew their technological inferiority and set their targets by 2025, if I remember correctly.
ATM Boeing is nosediving, and alone Airbus cant meet the demand. Concerning the Chinese alternative I'm bribing mrs to be my spokesman
Bernie Sanders wrote:GoranZ wrote:waauw wrote:GoranZ wrote:Boeing 737 Max is no longer dangerous... as it looks like it might be grounded indefinitely. President Trump Orders Max 737 8 Planes Grounded Indefinitely
To make the things more interesting Ethiopia Will Not Send Flight’s Black Box To U.S., Says U.S. Cannot Be Trusted
Reliable replacements on the market... Comac C919, Irkut MC-21 or few Airbus models.
With all due respect, but there is a reason the aerospace sector for these size planes is considered a duopoly. Neither Comac, nor Irkut can for the moment compete with the tech levels of Boeing and Airbus. In the case of Comac, they weren't even planning on competing with them yet. They knew their technological inferiority and set their targets by 2025, if I remember correctly.
ATM Boeing is nosediving, and alone Airbus cant meet the demand. Concerning the Chinese alternative I'm bribing mrs to be my spokesman
Your nonsense is to be expected when innocent people die.
GoranZ wrote:Bernie Sanders wrote:GoranZ wrote:waauw wrote:GoranZ wrote:Boeing 737 Max is no longer dangerous... as it looks like it might be grounded indefinitely. President Trump Orders Max 737 8 Planes Grounded Indefinitely
To make the things more interesting Ethiopia Will Not Send Flight’s Black Box To U.S., Says U.S. Cannot Be Trusted
Reliable replacements on the market... Comac C919, Irkut MC-21 or few Airbus models.
With all due respect, but there is a reason the aerospace sector for these size planes is considered a duopoly. Neither Comac, nor Irkut can for the moment compete with the tech levels of Boeing and Airbus. In the case of Comac, they weren't even planning on competing with them yet. They knew their technological inferiority and set their targets by 2025, if I remember correctly.
ATM Boeing is nosediving, and alone Airbus cant meet the demand. Concerning the Chinese alternative I'm bribing mrs to be my spokesman
Your nonsense is to be expected when innocent people die.
Innocent people died because of the greed of company from US, country where you live in
Bernie Sanders wrote:
Blah-blah-blah....Boeing and Airbus makes the best and safest passenger planes in the world. Russia and China do not come close to building a world class passenger plane.
Boeing will come back from this and rise again.
GoranZ wrote:Bernie Sanders wrote:
Blah-blah-blah....Boeing and Airbus makes the best and safest passenger planes in the world. Russia and China do not come close to building a world class passenger plane.
Boeing will come back from this and rise again.
We both agree on Airbus but we disagree on Boeing and Irkut MC-21. I have no idea how good thew Chinese plane is, but practically no one knows, so I will not speculate
Back to Boeing... 737MAX is Boeing's flagship with 80% of the orders portfolio. With the issues 737MAX has no one will be surprised if cancellations arrive in large numbers. Who will replace those orders? I presume majority will be replaced by Airbus and some non neglectable numbers will go for Irkut's airplane. But the Russians plan to make ~1000 planes in the next 20 years so their capacities are limited. None the less MC-21 should not be underestimated... New Russian MC-21 Aircraft Can Compete With Boeing And Airbus Models, Analysts Say
So we can both agree that Airbus will be the overall winner in this mess
Bernie Sanders wrote:GoranZ wrote:Bernie Sanders wrote:
Blah-blah-blah....Boeing and Airbus makes the best and safest passenger planes in the world. Russia and China do not come close to building a world class passenger plane.
Boeing will come back from this and rise again.
We both agree on Airbus but we disagree on Boeing and Irkut MC-21. I have no idea how good thew Chinese plane is, but practically no one knows, so I will not speculate
Back to Boeing... 737MAX is Boeing's flagship with 80% of the orders portfolio. With the issues 737MAX has no one will be surprised if cancellations arrive in large numbers. Who will replace those orders? I presume majority will be replaced by Airbus and some non neglectable numbers will go for Irkut's airplane. But the Russians plan to make ~1000 planes in the next 20 years so their capacities are limited. None the less MC-21 should not be underestimated... New Russian MC-21 Aircraft Can Compete With Boeing And Airbus Models, Analysts Say
So we can both agree that Airbus will be the overall winner in this mess
Looks like the issue is a software problem. Just like any defect part(s) in Boeing and Airbus, it will be fixed.
There's nothing in Russia or China that can compete against Boeing or Airbus.
Boeing and Airbus have excellent passenger planes.
mookiemcgee wrote:It's not exactly a software problem. Instead of training pilots on a key change to how the plane needed to be flown, they instead tried to do a software patch/fix to make it appear to perform like the older 737 models the pilots were used to and actually trained on. There is no issue with the plane itself, just in the rollout.... Boeing tried to do things cheap instead of right, and the airlines were very happy to not have to pay to re-train their pilots on a new system so they went along with it. Lesson learned!
HitRed wrote:Military orders are climbing fast. This plan is lethal.
mrswdk wrote:There is no crew in the world competent enough to steer one of those death traps to a safe landing.
2dimes wrote:There are lots of pilots that could fly one of them.
Occam's razor (also Ockham's razor or Ocham's razor (Latin: novacula Occami); further known as the law of parsimony (Latin: lex parsimoniae) is the problem-solving principle that essentially states that "simpler solutions are more likely to be correct than complex ones." When presented with competing hypotheses to solve a problem, one should select the solution with the fewest assumptions. The idea is attributed to English Franciscan friar William of Ockham (c. 1287–1347), a scholastic philosopher and theologian.
It's not exactly a software problem. Instead of training pilots on a key change to how the plane needed to be flown, they instead tried to do a software patch/fix to make it appear to perform like the older 737 models the pilots were used to and actually trained on. There is no issue with the plane itself, just in the rollout.... Boeing tried to do things cheap instead of right, and the airlines were very happy to not have to pay to re-train their pilots on a new system so they went along with it. Lesson learned!
mrswdk wrote:There is no crew in the world competent enough to steer one of those death traps to a safe landing.
2dimes wrote:There are lots of pilots that could fly one of them.
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