Conquer Club

Posted: **Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:58 pm**

How could a player play a turn in some of a player's games but not notice all?

Posted: **Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:21 am**

Chariot of Fire wrote:>alstergren - that may be, but did you decide after beating this guy so badly and so consistently to suddenly bring him on to your team and play 500 games with him?

Nope. But I never "loaded" teams with cocks in order to increase my score/rank. Guess if I would want to do that, this guy would be ideal since his score was low and he showed commitment (i.e. not a guy likely to go MIA).

Posted: **Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:59 am**

alstergren wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:>alstergren - that may be, but did you decide after beating this guy so badly and so consistently to suddenly bring him on to your team and play 500 games with him?
Nope. But I never "loaded" teams with cocks in order to increase my score/rank. Guess if I would want to do that, this guy would be ideal since his score was low and he showed commitment (i.e. not a guy likely to go MIA).

Is this what sitzaholic was doing??? loading teams with cocks?

Posted: **Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:26 am**

Fruitcake wrote:
alstergren wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:>alstergren - that may be, but did you decide after beating this guy so badly and so consistently to suddenly bring him on to your team and play 500 games with him?
Nope. But I never "loaded" teams with cocks in order to increase my score/rank. Guess if I would want to do that, this guy would be ideal since his score was low and he showed commitment (i.e. not a guy likely to go MIA).
Is this what sitzaholic was doing??? loading teams with cocks?

Posted: **Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:58 am**

Take your time gentlemen... take your time... this one is huge..

Posted: **Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:13 am**

Fruitcake wrote:
alstergren wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:>alstergren - that may be, but did you decide after beating this guy so badly and so consistently to suddenly bring him on to your team and play 500 games with him?
Nope. But I never "loaded" teams with cocks in order to increase my score/rank. Guess if I would want to do that, this guy would be ideal since his score was low and he showed commitment (i.e. not a guy likely to go MIA).
Is this what sitzaholic was doing??? loading teams with cocks?

LMFAO

Posted: **Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:00 am**

Please take discussion elements to the General Discussion topic.

--Andy

Posted: **Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:35 pm**

Verdict already!

Posted: **Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:50 pm**

AndyDufresne wrote:We hope to have a ruling by tomorrow's time. All of the Admins (Lackattack, King Achilles, and myself) have been in consultation (and so have the Multi Hunters) for the extent of this re-investigation. Your patience is greatly appreciated.

--Andy

demonfork wrote: Verdict already!

Please don't rush them...

Even after the verdict is decided, whatever it is, the explanation itself could take a long time to be written correctly.
You do realize that this is no ordinary case, and therefore, nothing about it should be rushed.
They need to be thorough and complete with this...

PS - andy, sorry for posting here... please ignore this and please take all the time you need.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:10 am**

It should not be any problem for Andy come on he is really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbPxRAeClJA

we now found where he dissappeared to in 1986.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:49 am**

After all the brouhaha, the opinions, the concerns and most of all, the facts of this case, it was agreed that another investigation was needed to be taken further, hence, the re-opening of the case. This re-investigation was undertaken in consultation with all the Admins, as well as the C&A moderators & hunters who also gave their inputs about this case.

I would also like to take this opportunity to apologize for my "local police station" remark as I admit that this case has tested my patience and I didn't take what some of you had said/suggested very lightly during the time when emotions are running high concerning this case. Anyway, moving on, this is the final conclusion:

From All the Admins wrote:Conquer Club has no stipulation that an account sitter take all the turns for the Account they are Sitting, however, we believe that Blitzaholic and Leolou2 engaged in gross abuse of the Jobiwan account, under Account Sitting Abuse.

>>Judging from general time lines, we've concluded that two infractions under Account Sitting Abuse have occurred over a duration of time:

The joining non-tournament games.

Taking turns with Jobiwan account as a second communal account, in games in which the parties had a stake, to gain a tactical advantage.

>>It is clear that Blitzaholic and Leolou2 went beyond the normal scope of Account Sitting, by joining and playing games from start to finish knowing that Jobiwan would be unable to return, that is, the Account Sitting was not a temporary stopgap measure to maintain the account.

>>Blitzaholic was previously only narrowly disciplined for the first Account Sitting Abuse infraction---the joining of non-tournament games (March 15th - 30th). This is what King Achilles and the Multi Hunters determined and took into account at the conclusion of the first investigation.

>>This re-investigation, with input from all the Admins, has now led to Blitzaholic receiving disciplinary action for this second Account Sitting Abuse infraction---taking turns and playing games from start to finish to gain a tactical advantage (March 6th - March 28th). This results in Blitzaholic's Second Major/Severe Infraction (being of game-related), thus a 1 Month Website Vacation from Conquer Club.

>>Leolou2, for their part, will also be disciplined for the second Account Sitting Abuse Infraction, following the above outline and time frames. This results in Leolou2's First Major/Severe Infraction, thus a Warning .

>>The Jobiwan account has been suspended to prevent further Account Sitting Abuse, and can be re-claimed by Jobiwan should he come back to Conquer Club.

>> Because of this, now future cases where it seems that an Account being maintained by Account Sitters has been abandoned for the foreseeable future, that is, that Account Sitting would seem to perpetuate indefinitely, the Account will be suspended from the website until the original owner can file an E-ticket to claim it back under their own power and responsibility.

>> Below, information for your consumption:

General Time Line Information
General time lines:

March 6th - 12th: Jobiwan's games seem to be played, though missed turns are starting to rack up, and players seem to be noticing that the Jobiwan account is missing turns and taking long to play.

March 13th - April 5th: Missed turns are continuing to rack up for the Jobiwan account, and now Jobiwan begins deadbeating out of multiple games and turns taken are few and far between.

March 15th - 30th: Team games with Blitzaholic, Jobiwan, and Leolou2 are initialized. Based on game numbers (since initialization dates do not reflect creation dates) non-tournament games were created originally in blocks: March 4th, March 6th, March 10th, March 14th, March 27th.

March 28th: Original C&A Report.

March 28th - 31st: Blitzaholic and Leolou2 started to post in game chats about Sitting for Jobiwan's account.

Evidence regarding the facts of the above Time Line Information
Jobiwan Games, in Game number order, looking at games from March 7th to present:

Game 8636593 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-19 10:13:20 - initialized
Game 8636598 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-17 21:07:09 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8636604 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-19 18:00:06 - initialized
[Leolou2 & Blitzaholic game chat posts about sitting]
Game 8636608 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-19 08:00:47 - initialized
[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8636621 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-20 02:25:09 - initialized
[Leolou2 & Blitzaholic game chat posts about sitting]
Game 8645010 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-18 17:14:47 - initialized
[Blitzaholic game chat post about sitting]
Game 8645011 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-17 06:06:02 - initialized
Game 8645013 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-16 01:02:28 - initialized
[Leolou2 & Blitzaholic game chat posts about sitting]
Game 8646915 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 11:59:59 - initialized
Game 8647970 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:37:20 - initialized
[2011-03-24 10:51:05 - Deadpool: This goes a lot faster without jobiwan]
Game 8647986 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:37:25 - initialized
Game 8647996 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:37:30 - initialized
Game 8648012 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:37:35 - initialized
Game 8648024 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:37:40 - initialized
Game 8648036 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:37:44 - initialized
Game 8648044 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:37:49 - initialized
Game 8648053 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:37:58 - initialized
Game 8648062 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:38:03 - initialized
Game 8648072 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:38:08 - initialized
[2011-03-11 15:30:29 - morleyjoe: Too bad Jobiwan plays so slow - could have really moved these games]
Game 8649013 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:38:23 - initialized
Game 8649014 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:38:33 - initialized
Game 8649015 [Tourney] 2011-03-07 07:38:41 - initialized
Game 8652592 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-21 07:29:02 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8652598 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-22 02:26:12 - initialized
Game 8652605 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-20 11:52:36 - initialized

[Leolou2 & Blitzaholic game chat posts about sitting]
Game 8652977 [Tourney] 2011-03-08 23:25:40 - initialized
Game 8659596 [Regular Trips] 2011-03-09 09:41:08 - initialized
Game 8659997 [Tourney] 2011-03-09 00:35:02 - initialized
Game 8660580 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-22 20:28:35 - initialized
Game 8660586 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-18 06:29:41 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8660598 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-22 09:31:20 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8662935 [Tourney] 2011-03-09 06:51:57 - initialized
[2011-03-21 08:08:09 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8670033 [Tourney] 2011-03-12 03:48:38 - initialized
[2011-03-20 00:38:44 - Jobiwan eliminated mightgolower]
Game 8674246 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-23 08:11:34 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8674249 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-23 17:57:57 - initialized
[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting / 2011-04-02 18:14:54 - SF SGM: Jobiwan, how come you play here and not other games? / 2011-04-03 18:49:10 - leolou2: I am sitting his games I am in with him and I cant play his others and its in game chat if you look]
Game 8674255 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-24 18:53:04 - initialized
[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8674264 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-27 16:04:43 - initialized

[Leolou2 & Blitzaholic game chat posts about sitting]
Game 8674270 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-27 18:43:16 - initialized

[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8679673 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-25 04:11:37 - initialized
[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8679681 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-23 10:38:48 - initialized
[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8679684 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-28 05:40:35 - initialized
[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8681056 [Tourney] 2011-03-12 11:08:43 - initialized
Game 8683068 [Tourney] 2011-03-12 17:22:07 - initialized
Game 8683986 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 00:51:33 - initialized
[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8683987 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 00:51:29 - initialized
[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting / 2011-04-08 12:16:05 - Jobiwan was kicked ]
Game 8683990 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 00:51:24 - initialized
[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8684074 [Tourney] 2011-03-12 17:21:46 - initialized
[2011-03-20 00:46:59 - Jobiwan won]
Game 8686245 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 09:36:06 - initialized
Game 8686453 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 08:25:57 - initialized
Game 8686455 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 08:25:55 - initialized
Game 8686456 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 08:25:52 - initialized
[2011-03-13 11:11:13 - Woodruff: Wow, what happened to your rank?]
Game 8687252 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:51:36 - initialized
Game 8687253 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:51:47 - initialized
[2011-03-21 01:59:04 - Jobiwan won]
Game 8687254 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:51:53 - initialized
Game 8687402 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:52:09 - initialized
[[2011-03-29 11:06:31 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8687403 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:52:15 - initialized
[2011-03-29 11:04:33 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8687406 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:52:22 - initialized
[2011-03-29 11:05:31 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8687408 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:52:28 - initialized
[2011-03-29 11:08:23 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8687409 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:52:34 - initialized
[2011-03-29 11:03:58 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8687410 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:52:41 - initialized
[2011-03-29 11:07:21 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8688158 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-28 19:32:29 - initialized
[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8688165 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-28 21:36:58 - initialized
Game 8688168 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-28 01:02:03 - initialized
[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8689146 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 17:54:56 - initialized
[2011-03-18 16:32:00 - Jobiwan won]
Game 8690799 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:54:27 - initialized
[2011-03-17 21:54:02 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8690800 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:54:33 - initialized
[2011-03-28 10:03:56 - Jobiwan won]
Game 8690801 [Tourney] 2011-03-13 23:54:39 - initialized
[2011-03-17 21:55:31 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8691231 [Tourney] 2011-03-15 08:38:41 - initialized
Game 8692673 [Tourney] 2011-03-16 00:00:08 - initialized
[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8692778 [Tourney] 2011-03-15 11:33:14 - initialized
Game 8693811 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-28 17:21:20 - initialized
[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8693814 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-15 10:45:50 - initialized

[Leolou2 & Blitzaholic game chat posts about sitting]
Game 8693819 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-28 18:08:14 - initialized
[Ongoing Game / Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8695077 [Tourney] 2011-03-14 21:53:15 - initialized
[2011-03-20 12:54:36 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8695174 [Tourney] 2011-03-14 18:03:19 - initialized
Game 8695861 [Regular Trips] 2011-03-20 11:05:13 - initialized
[Ongoing Game / Leolou2 game chat post about sitting / 2011-04-08 13:13:45 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8697349 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-29 23:07:33 - initialized
[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8697360 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-30 05:04:12 - initialized
[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8697366 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-30 06:34:35 - initialized
Game 8698847 [Tourney] 2011-03-15 11:33:21 - initialized
[2011-03-23 02:06:40 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8704793 [Tourney] 2011-03-17 01:44:51 - initialized
[2011-03-24 19:46:47 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8705033 [Tourney] 2011-03-17 01:44:43 - initialized
Game 8705034 [Tourney] 2011-03-17 01:44:36 - initialized
Game 8705035 [Tourney] 2011-03-17 01:44:31 - initialized
Game 8705273 [Tourney] 2011-03-17 01:44:56 - initialized
Game 8707535 [Tourney] 2011-03-17 12:44:00 - initialized
Game 8707566 [Tourney] 2011-03-17 12:43:54 - initialized
[2011-03-22 20:19:10 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8711703 [Tourney] 2011-03-17 01:44:26 - initialized
Game 8714692 [Tourney] 2011-03-17 12:42:31 - initialized
[2011-03-20 22:25:32 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8716667 [Tourney] 2011-03-18 15:02:13 - initialized
Game 8718873 [Tourney] 2011-03-19 16:08:44 - initialized
[Ongoing Game / 2011-03-29 05:01:19 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8718889 [Tourney] 2011-03-23 05:52:40 - initialized
[Ongoing Game / 2011-04-11 06:49:17 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8718951 [Tourney] 2011-03-19 12:38:43 - initialized
[Ongoing Game / Leolou2 game chat post about sitting / 2011-04-08 16:01:11 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8719253 [Tourney] 2011-03-21 08:47:14 - initialized
[2011-03-27 15:48:01 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8720051 [Tourney] 2011-03-18 15:02:04 - initialized
[2011-03-26 09:22:24 - Jobiwan was kicked / 2011-03-18 15:05:30 - gradybridges: I can't believe how many sign up for a tourney and disappear / 2011-03-22 14:04:05 - gradybridges: what's with the missing turns? / 2011-03-23 09:26:06 - gradybridges: so another 2 days between turns? / 2011-03-24 10:18:38 - gradybridges: Can you atleast explain the missed turns?]
Game 8721322 [Tourney] 2011-03-18 15:01:59 - initialized
Game 8724180 [Tourney] 2011-03-19 09:36:53 - initialized
[2011-03-27 14:17:44 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8725081 [Tourney] 2011-03-20 00:20:14 - initialized
[2011-03-26 22:08:18 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8725175 [Tourney] 2011-03-20 00:19:56 - initialized
[2011-03-29 10:22:01 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8725303 [Tourney] 2011-03-20 00:20:08 - initialized
[2011-03-26 09:49:24 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8725373 [Tourney] 2011-03-20 00:19:50 - initialized
[2011-03-29 10:57:59 - Jobiwan was kicked / 2011-03-28 20:15:25 - ElricTheGreat: what a way to go down ... gg guys .... Jobiwan ... hope there is really something important going on the the real life for you to miss this many turns in a row ...]
Game 8725739 [Tourney] 2011-03-20 00:19:42 - initialized
[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8725775 [Tourney] 2011-03-20 07:42:10 - initialized
[2011-03-28 15:08:43 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8725831 [Tourney] 2011-03-20 01:32:18 - initialized
Game 8731164 [Tourney] 2011-03-20 14:41:21 - initialized
[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8731947 [Tourney] 2011-03-21 01:51:51 - initialized
Game 8731948 [Tourney] 2011-03-21 01:51:45 - initialized
[2011-03-28 00:11:38 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8731950 [Tourney] 2011-03-21 01:51:38 - initialized
[2011-03-24 18:31:55 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8736263 [Tourney] 2011-03-23 08:37:53 - initialized
[Ongoing Game]
Game 8736270 [Tourney] 2011-03-23 08:37:48 - initialized
[Ongoing Game]
Game 8737386 [Tourney] 2011-03-21 11:44:53 - initialized
[2011-03-26 10:03:49 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8739168 [Tourney] 2011-03-25 05:04:06 - initialized
[2011-03-28 09:31:55 - Jobiwan was kicked / 2011-03-26 19:09:51 - Landain: Lacika holds Russia. Should we assume Jobiwan will not show up the rest of the game?]
Game 8745781 [Tourney] 2011-03-23 09:35:11 - initialized
[2011-03-26 11:00:20 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8745794 [Tourney] 2011-03-24 23:11:59 - initialized

[Leolou2 & Blitzaholic game chat posts about sitting]
Game 8754600 [Tourney] 2011-03-24 22:43:22 - initialized

[Leolou2 & Blitzaholic game chat posts about sitting]
Game 8754801 [Tourney] 2011-03-24 22:43:17 - initialized
[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8755055 [Tourney] 2011-03-24 22:42:19 - initialized
[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8755060 [Tourney] 2011-03-24 22:42:28 - initialized
[2011-03-29 04:39:05 - Jobiwan was kicked / 2011-03-28 04:40:12 - sonicsteve: I'm assuming Jobiwan isn't gonna make a late entrance and drop a shedload of deferred troops here..]
Game 8755061 [Tourney] 2011-03-24 22:42:33 - initialized

[Leolou2 & Blitzaholic game chat posts about sitting]
Game 8755064 [Tourney] 2011-03-24 22:42:38 - initialized
[2011-03-29 04:45:17 - Jobiwan was kicked ]
Game 8755066 [Tourney] 2011-03-24 22:42:43 - initialized
[2011-04-01 17:04:49 - Jobiwan won / Leolou2 & Blitzaholic game chat posts about sitting]
Game 8755068 [Tourney] 2011-03-24 22:42:49 - initialized
[2011-03-29 04:55:24 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8755076 [Tourney] 2011-03-24 22:43:00 - initialized
[2011-03-29 04:49:43 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8755078 [Tourney] 2011-03-24 22:43:10 - initialized
[2011-03-29 04:53:46 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8756650 [Tourney] 2011-03-25 01:14:39 - initialized
[2011-03-29 04:50:02 - Jobiwan was kicked / 2011-03-29 20:10:58 - morleyjoe: He's been deadbeating everywhere - and is soooo slow a player when he's not deadbeating / 2011-03-30 11:13:01 - morleyjoe: it looks like others are playing for him, but they seem few and far between]
Game 8771783 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-30 00:46:56 - initialized
[Ongoing Game / Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8786036 [Tourney] 2011-03-31 02:08:09 - initialized
[2011-04-06 18:17:39 - Jobiwan was kicked / Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8790070 [Tourney] 2011-03-30 09:55:30 - initialized
[2011-04-04 09:38:57 - Jobiwan was kicked / Leolou2 game chat post about sitting]
Game 8794735 [Tourney] 2011-03-31 02:08:04 - initialized
[2011-04-05 17:21:51 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8795577 [Tourney] 2011-03-31 07:44:47 - initialized
[2011-04-03 18:42:41 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8795586 [Tourney] 2011-03-31 07:43:13 - initialized
[2011-04-04 01:08:32 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8795596 [Tourney] 2011-03-31 02:07:47 - initialized
[2011-04-05 19:02:56 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8795604 [Tourney] 2011-03-31 02:07:41 - initialized
[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting / 2011-04-05 05:50:19 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8795614 [Tourney] 2011-03-31 13:52:57 - initialized
[2011-04-05 09:31:26 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8796548 [Tourney] 2011-03-31 06:29:00 - initialized
[Leolou2 game chat post about sitting / 2011-04-05 10:13:29 - Jobiwan was kicked]
Game 8797341 [Tourney] 2011-03-31 16:09:04 - initialized
[2011-04-04 17:26:22 - Jobiwan was kicked]
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

While there has been public discussion about Point Dumping and Point Resets, we do not have adequate evidence or conclusive evidence to pursue an infraction of that nature. We know that some of the public will be disappointed in our inability to pursue this extent of the investigation, but as I mentioned, we do not have adequate or conclusive evidence.

We regret the length of time this re-investigation has taken, but the Admins and the Multi Hunters wanted to make sure that everything was re-looked into fully. We regret the original narrow disciplinary ruling of the original investigation.

We hope that in the eyes of the Community justice has been carried out.

Go forth and Conquer.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:28 am**

i am happy at least a punishment has been issued for the abuse of jobiwans account and think this has been a step in the correct direction.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:39 am**

While not the punishment I thought would be the best fit, I can fully support the punishment that was meted out to the offenders.

Thank you for re-opening the case and giving it a more detailed examination. I think this speaks rather loudly to the kind of investigation that can be accomplished if community members are willing to take the time to gather the facts and details to provide for the admins/multi-hunters to make fully-informed and educated decisions.

I hope it continues.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:09 am**

I hope that the two admins have pointed this out to lack and are using this as evidence why there should be an account sitting feature in this site. The competitiveness of the clans requires password sharing, and it unfortunately leads to cases like this.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:13 am**

jakewilliams wrote:I hope that the two admins have pointed this out to lack and are using this as evidence why there should be an account sitting feature in this site. The competitiveness of the clans requires password sharing, and it unfortunately leads to cases like this.

While I dont think this case has anything to do with clan password sharing (that comment is probably better suited towards the Commander case), I do agree with the feature!

And thank you KA for a detailed explanation as to what/why/how. That's all I was looking for!

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:25 am**

"March 28th - 31st: Blitzaholic and Leolou2 started to post in game chats about Sitting for Jobiwan's account."
"Game 8636604 [Regular Quads] 2011-03-19 18:00:06 - initialized
[Leolou2 & Blitzaholic game chat posts about sitting]"

And Bones, it does have a lot to do with Team game sitting tho (Because teammates are dependent upon their partner making turns), and since clans is where most team games occur...

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:42 am**

It is very comforting to know that this was given its due attention and a fairly suitable punishment was issued...

In so many of these cases there will be an instance where although every intelligent person viewing the facts can see that an abuse is occurring, it becomes frustrating that (at times) cases are swept under the rug instead of being given their due attention in order to avoid a site changing decision...

The right conclusion was made... Well done...

Very refreshing, perhaps the times they are a changin

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:58 am**

pearljamrox2 wrote:Yo Blitz, nice of you to stop by.

For the sake of having a conversation, I'll pretend I believe everything you've said is true.

Do you realize, that when you invited Jobi to your games, then took his password, logged on and accepted your invites, and then when Jobi never came around so you had to play all his turns in those games you accepted him to, that you really screwed up?

Do you realize that by controlling the entire process of joining and playing out a game without the original account holder involved at all, even though it wasn't your supposed intention, is essential running a multi?

Do you realize, that when you are THE CONQUEROR, and this second account is a 500 cook, and you are playing on a conquest map to point rape people, it looks EVEN WORSE.

Do you see how the two infractions go hand in hand? And how you admitted to the first one and were warned, but the second one was somehow overlooked?

Can you see how someone might say, to receive a warning for account sitting abuse, you would think a guy would first have to be account sitting, which you admit, you really weren't too worried about his "other games".

So is that what we have here? You, unknowingly if you want to say that, joined him to your games, and then, unfortunately for you, it turns out his account is dormant, and you unwittingly multi-ed yourself?

From All the Admins wrote: 2. Taking turns with Jobiwan account as a second communal account, in games in which the parties had a stake, to gain a tactical advantage.

>>It is clear that Blitzaholic and Leolou2 went beyond the normal scope of Account Sitting, by joining and playing games from start to finish knowing that Jobiwan would be unable to return, that is, the Account Sitting was not a temporary stopgap measure to maintain the account.

These are points that I was trying to make, and I am satisfied that the admins acknowledged this. I felt very strongly that this distinction needed to be made to the public.

Believe it or not, I have had mixed feelings as to what the punishment should be. I would take no pleasure in seeing Blitz get nailed to a cross(that was for you Robinette

). I think the punishment is significant enough, while not being too severe or permanent.

I believe the punishment is enough to make someone think twice about their actions, be it Blitz or anyone else. Whether it was his intention or not, it IS what happened.

A big THANK YOU to Andy for giving us all an opportunity to review this matter, and to all the admins who were involved with deliberating. And also some props for having the courage in the face of "witch hunting, lynch mobs" for not taking it too far the other way. In the end, I believe you got it right, and i am happy to move on from this matter.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:59 pm**

I think everyone can be happy with this result. Big props to Andy for re-opening this, and to the entire team for wading through all the evidence and coming up with the most fair result possible.

This is not a "good day" on Conquer Club, but it is good for the community, and the site's reputation, to see that abuse of any kind will NOT be tolerated, and will be dealt with sufficiently, regardless of who's committing the abuse.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:12 pm**

Glad to have this case resolved.

Thank you Andy ;).

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:58 pm**

Thanks everyone for reopening the case and giving it a second look

From All the Admins wrote:
March 28th - 31st: Blitzaholic and Leolou2 started to post in game chats about Sitting for Jobiwan's account.

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So I guess this means there was evidence that blitz and/or leo were taking turns throughout March without announcing? I am glad this was revisited then.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:23 pm**

>>This re-investigation, with input from all the Admins, has now led to Blitzaholic receiving disciplinary action for this second Account Sitting Abuse infraction---taking turns and playing games from start to finish to gain a tactical advantage (March 6th - March 28th). This results in Blitzaholic's Second Major/Severe Infraction (being of game-related), thus a 1 Month Website Vacation from Conquer Club.

SO Blitz received TWO account sitting abuse punishments from this one case.

Double jeopardy is a new low for you CC.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:07 pm**

Serbia wrote:I think everyone can be happy with this result. Big props to Andy for re-opening this, and to the entire team for wading through all the evidence and coming up with the most fair result possible.

This is not a "good day" on Conquer Club, but it is good for the community, and the site's reputation, to see that abuse of any kind will NOT be tolerated, and will be dealt with sufficiently, regardless of who's committing the abuse.

Well put.

Thank you admin, hunters, and everyone who posted and followed up on evidence forwarded by the community.
There will always be abuse, cheaters, and those who cheapen a site and system we all enjoy.
It's good to see appropriate action taken towards promoting fairness, justice, and integrity for the community at large.

jefjef wrote:
>>This re-investigation, with input from all the Admins, has now led to Blitzaholic receiving disciplinary action for this second Account Sitting Abuse infraction---taking turns and playing games from start to finish to gain a tactical advantage (March 6th - March 28th). This results in Blitzaholic's Second Major/Severe Infraction (being of game-related), thus a 1 Month Website Vacation from Conquer Club.

SO Blitz received TWO account sitting abuse punishments from this one case.

Double jeopardy is a new low for you CC.

If you totaled the individual infractions, took into account the significant time line, and factored in the number of players that were affected in skipped turns and lost points, double jeopardy isn't even close to describing this "conviction".

So sorry your bitter about the outcome. You have a month to give your knee-pads a break.

Johnny Rockets

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:20 pm**

Well I'm glad with this result. Seems to take in all of what was said and give out an appropriate punishment. :3 Good job guys.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:39 pm**

Now we only have to ban a few more thousand people until I'm conqueror! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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