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He's called BLEF, get it right.dustn64 wrote:I think bleff (Minister Masket's "invention") because everyone who looked at it got a little bit dumber.
yes it is, when people beleive in something, they fight for it, die for it do everything in thier power to keep it the way it is, and what lay in the wake? Countless bodies all massacered for the sake of a beleif.dyingfetus wrote:The sole roots of every worldly dilemaGuiscard wrote:Religion.
Also takes the title of the most constructive as well...
you're on to something there. but thinking about it, there really is no other way to handle expenses and stuff. trading just doesn't make sense anymore.Gold Knight wrote:One of the most destructive yet neccessary creation by man was currency. I cant recall how many disagreements have been started with the hidden goal of monetary gain. Every war that has been fought has both sides have a public agenda, along with a private one.
Such as the war in Iraq, we say we are going to stop a dictatorship, but alongisde that, winning the war equals lower prices of resources every country needs to survive in the modern era.
well also you got to remember times have changed, i cant trade you my xbox for food, not the same value, if it were the same type of goods it could work.Hitman079 wrote:you're on to something there. but thinking about it, there really is no other way to handle expenses and stuff. trading just doesn't make sense anymore.Gold Knight wrote:One of the most destructive yet neccessary creation by man was currency. I cant recall how many disagreements have been started with the hidden goal of monetary gain. Every war that has been fought has both sides have a public agenda, along with a private one.
Such as the war in Iraq, we say we are going to stop a dictatorship, but alongisde that, winning the war equals lower prices of resources every country needs to survive in the modern era.
I can't agree with this either, and not just because I don't want to end up on the wrong side of btownmeggy as well - so far, the industrial revolution appears, for all its very many faults, to be easily the best thing that's ever happened to humanity - the good it's done easily outweigh the bad (which is understating it a bit). Indeed, the ongoing industrialisation in China and India, if it keeps pace for the next few decades, could be seen as the greatest success story yet for humanity, just because of the sheer numbers of people that will benefit from it.mushin wrote:I've been reading about the Luddites, and have a sinking suspiscion that The Industrial Revolution was the most revolting human creation of all time. Western capitalism and the machine have probably destroyed more humans than all the wars of the world combined. Plus it has made us crazy. Isn't it funny how a hunter/gatherer works about 8 to 12 hours a week, and we now do that in a day. I'm not saying that it's all bad, but the way humans have implemented industrialization is sick.
Man is his own worst enemy. Philophers, theologians and many writters have explored this phenomena and have yet to come to an answer.ritz627 wrote:Fire's not really a human creation, more of a discovery. Fire existed before humans did.chewyman wrote:Fire. It's one of the oldest inventions and has therefore had more time to wreak much more damage than newer ones such as guns and the industrial revolution.
I would have to say the creation of more humans. Not just with what they have done to themselves through the years with war and such, but overpopulation has to be a factor at one point, and it already is in places like India and China.
Now, of course, I believe that people fight and die for their beliefs. This, however, is true for many things other than religion. Political systems, forms of government, philosophies. They have all had their adherents who fought and died in their names.Bigfalcon65 wrote:yes it is, when people beleive in something, they fight for it, die for it do everything in thier power to keep it the way it is, and what lay in the wake? Countless bodies all massacered for the sake of a beleif.dyingfetus wrote:The sole roots of every worldly dilemaGuiscard wrote:Religion.
Also takes the title of the most constructive as well...
Religion & Cigarettes. Millions dead worldwide. Especially the religious smokers.mushin wrote:What was the most destructive human creation?
Jesus, you have no idea.Backglass wrote:Religion & Cigarettes. Millions dead worldwide. Especially the religious smokers.mushin wrote:What was the most destructive human creation?
Hmmm. Both are partaken of voluntarily; as Guiscard stated, religion has been a very constructive influence in human history as well.Backglass wrote:Religion & Cigarettes. Millions dead worldwide. Especially the religious smokers.mushin wrote:What was the most destructive human creation?
No but some people get so tied up in religion, like the Islamic suicide bombers, that they can no longer see the world for what it is, only for what they think it will be. I doubt any other means can be used to convince somebody to kill themselves.CrazyAnglican wrote:Hmmm. Both are partaken of voluntarily; as Guiscard stated, religion has been a very constructive influence in human history as well.Backglass wrote:Religion & Cigarettes. Millions dead worldwide. Especially the religious smokers.mushin wrote:What was the most destructive human creation?
I'm not saying that people haven't died as a result of their religious beliefs, but asserting that people die for a lot of beliefs. When it comes down to it, a greedy person will use whatever means necessary to garner more for himself. Religions, traditions, clan ties, patriotism, abstract concepts like honor, these have all been used as reasons for killing others. There is nothing inherently evil about any of them. The underlying evil is human greed. Get rid of religion and the same people will use other means to persuade the masses.
Really? I don't think you can call the Kamikaze, in WWII, religious extremeists. Did they have religions? Probably. With regard to religion, however, they saw themselves as Japanese first. Ritual (not religious) suicide is practiced in several cultures. Plato drank hemlock. You can convince people to kill themselves without promising an afterlife. Just convince them that the people, country, or way of life they love will benefit from their death.unriggable wrote:No but some people get so tied up in religion, like the Islamic suicide bombers, that they can no longer see the world for what it is, only for what they think it will be. I doubt any other means can be used to convince somebody to kill themselves.CrazyAnglican wrote:Hmmm. Both are partaken of voluntarily; as Guiscard stated, religion has been a very constructive influence in human history as well.Backglass wrote:Religion & Cigarettes. Millions dead worldwide. Especially the religious smokers.mushin wrote:What was the most destructive human creation?
I'm not saying that people haven't died as a result of their religious beliefs, but asserting that people die for a lot of beliefs. When it comes down to it, a greedy person will use whatever means necessary to garner more for himself. Religions, traditions, clan ties, patriotism, abstract concepts like honor, these have all been used as reasons for killing others. There is nothing inherently evil about any of them. The underlying evil is human greed. Get rid of religion and the same people will use other means to persuade the masses.
I meant the ability to harness fire (or at least to create it deliberately). Without that metal work would have been impossible and we all know how useful that's been. So harnessing fire was a wonderful thing, but also very destructive. Whatever really is the invention that has caused the most suffering I believe will also probably be one that has benefited human life the most.ritz627 wrote:Fire's not really a human creation, more of a discovery. Fire existed before humans did.chewyman wrote:Fire. It's one of the oldest inventions and has therefore had more time to wreak much more damage than newer ones such as guns and the industrial revolution.
I would have to say the creation of more humans. Not just with what they have done to themselves through the years with war and such, but overpopulation has to be a factor at one point, and it already is in places like India and China.
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where'd you get that idea from? Tamil tigers blow themselves up because they believe in an independent homeland for tamils, as that crazy anglican pointed out kamikaze bombers flew their missions because it was their duty. You should try and think before you make broad sweeping generalisations.unriggable wrote:No but some people get so tied up in religion, like the Islamic suicide bombers, that they can no longer see the world for what it is, only for what they think it will be. I doubt any other means can be used to convince somebody to kill themselves.CrazyAnglican wrote:Hmmm. Both are partaken of voluntarily; as Guiscard stated, religion has been a very constructive influence in human history as well.Backglass wrote:Religion & Cigarettes. Millions dead worldwide. Especially the religious smokers.mushin wrote:What was the most destructive human creation?
I'm not saying that people haven't died as a result of their religious beliefs, but asserting that people die for a lot of beliefs. When it comes down to it, a greedy person will use whatever means necessary to garner more for himself. Religions, traditions, clan ties, patriotism, abstract concepts like honor, these have all been used as reasons for killing others. There is nothing inherently evil about any of them. The underlying evil is human greed. Get rid of religion and the same people will use other means to persuade the masses.
pancakemix wrote:QFT.luns101 wrote:Country Music
hecter wrote:pancakemix wrote:QFT.luns101 wrote:Country Music
chewyman wrote:hecter wrote:pancakemix wrote:QFT.luns101 wrote:Country Music
How about the extreme nationalism we saw in the Nazies and the Imperial Japanese? I don't think there is that much a difference in flying a bomb-loaded plane into a battleship and strapping a dynamite vest on. To paraphase a line from Jurassic Park, "War will find a way".unriggable wrote:No but some people get so tied up in religion, like the Islamic suicide bombers, that they can no longer see the world for what it is, only for what they think it will be. I doubt any other means can be used to convince somebody to kill themselves.CrazyAnglican wrote:Hmmm. Both are partaken of voluntarily; as Guiscard stated, religion has been a very constructive influence in human history as well.Backglass wrote:Religion & Cigarettes. Millions dead worldwide. Especially the religious smokers.mushin wrote:What was the most destructive human creation?
I'm not saying that people haven't died as a result of their religious beliefs, but asserting that people die for a lot of beliefs. When it comes down to it, a greedy person will use whatever means necessary to garner more for himself. Religions, traditions, clan ties, patriotism, abstract concepts like honor, these have all been used as reasons for killing others. There is nothing inherently evil about any of them. The underlying evil is human greed. Get rid of religion and the same people will use other means to persuade the masses.
Good one, luns.ritz627 wrote:chewyman wrote:hecter wrote:pancakemix wrote:QFT.luns101 wrote:Country Music