Conquer Club

The1exile wrote:

xtratabasco wrote:Brits have been getting raped for centuries by the royalty , but that is there own fault becuase there brain dead so they deserve it.

Really. Like how.

i do agree with the first part, because a lot of monarchs (well, most of them) have been almost hitler-like right up until victoria.

it's not our fault and we're not braindead. there have been countless protests and revolts, but in between the bad rulers is the occasional good ruler to calm everybody down.

That and our only shot at a republic fell flat on its face. mainly because oliver cromwell was a dick.

Strife wrote:The Queen has almost no power, the only thing she has is the title queen and a helluva lot of money. Parliament rules, the queen is kept as more of a tradition. This was told to me a week or two ago by my history teacher. As for the death penalty take it or leave it.

You absolute FOOL! The Queen has more power than the President of the U.S.A!

Minister Masket wrote: You absolute FOOL! The Queen has more power than the President of the U.S.A!

QFT

Matter of fact, the Queen has more power than ANY head of state.
Say the President of U.S.A wishes to invade Iraq AGAIN. Can he do it right away? Oh no, he needs permission from Congress, correct?
Well the Queen can just declare war, like that (snaps fingers).

Minister Masket wrote:Well the Queen can just declare war, like that (snaps fingers).

You really think that could ever happen? The queen really is a figure head.

Guiscard wrote:

Minister Masket wrote:Well the Queen can just declare war, like that (snaps fingers).

You really think that could ever happen? The queen really is a figure head.

A figure head with the power to veto any legislation she chooses, and to appoint a Prime-Minister at will, or to dissolve Parliament on a whim. Indeed a figure-head who does technically have the power to declare the nation as being 'at war' whenever she chooses (though she is devoid of the direct power to commit the armed forces, which I think is what you're saying in the post I've quoted).

Sure the royal perogatives haven't been exercised to contradict the will of a Parliament for nearly 50 years now, but the fact remains that the powers contained therein do theoretically exist should a monarch wish to use them.

Yes the Queen does act as a figurehead for the most part (I probably agree with what you're saying really), but it's well worht bearing in mind that there's no concrete rule that forces her to, only the weight of tradition and her individual respect for the democratic processes of the UK.

Queen at the moment acts just as a figurehead = yes
Queen at the moment is technically devoid of power to do anything other = no

Dancing Mustard wrote:

Guiscard wrote:

Minister Masket wrote:Well the Queen can just declare war, like that (snaps fingers).

You really think that could ever happen? The queen really is a figure head.

A figure head with the power to veto any legislation she chooses, and to appoint a Prime-Minister at will, or to dissolve Parliament on a whim. Indeed a figure-head who does technically have the power to declare the nation as being 'at war' whenever she chooses (though she is devoid of the direct power to commit the armed forces, which I think is what you're saying in the post I've quoted).

Sure the royal perogatives haven't been exercised to contradict the will of a Parliament for nearly 50 years now, but the fact remains that the powers contained therein do theoretically exist should a monarch wish to use them.

Yes the Queen does act as a figurehead for the most part (I probably agree with what you're saying really), but it's well worht bearing in mind that there's no concrete rule that forces her to, only the weight of tradition and her individual respect for the democratic processes of the UK.

Queen at the moment acts just as a figurehead = yes
Queen at the moment is technically devoid of power to do anything other = no

Technically is the word. In reality?

Oh I'm not arguing that the Monarch could, or is likely to, sieze control of the country at any time. I'm just pointing out the fact that the Monarch is still engaged in exercising the perogative powers on a daily basis; and could theoretically stop doing that in accordance with the whims of Parliament. You're right, it's unlikely because it would be a spectacular own-goal for the monarch's popularity... but the point is that the power isn't dead.

I think fundamentally we agree though.

For much the same reason even if commons and lords agreed to crank the taxes up to 90%, it wouldn't happen, the queen wouldn't.

That Ireland should be ruled by Ireland, thats all.....
Oh, and yes on the death penalty......


PD

peanutsdad wrote:That Ireland should be ruled by Ireland, thats all.....
Oh, and yes on the death penalty......


PD

Err... Ireland is ruled by Ireland. Google 'Republic of Ireland'...

Death penalty - yes
Republic - yes

Then we could get rid of this ridiculous honours system. Calling people Lord in this day and age is utter crap.

mr. incrediball wrote:
and... yep, all my respect for you just went down the drain.

You had respect for him?

Guiscard wrote:

peanutsdad wrote:That Ireland should be ruled by Ireland, thats all.....
Oh, and yes on the death penalty......


PD

Err... Ireland is ruled by Ireland. Google 'Republic of Ireland'...

I knew that, i was going for a little sarcasm/funny, it did not come off that way... in fact reading it over, i don't even think it's very funny now.... oh well it was worth a shot.......


PD

Snorri1234 wrote:

mr. incrediball wrote:
and... yep, all my respect for you just went down the drain.

You had respect for him?

heck yeah!

xtratabasco adds a little thing called "flavah" to the forums.

mr. incrediball wrote:

Snorri1234 wrote:

mr. incrediball wrote:
and... yep, all my respect for you just went down the drain.

You had respect for him?

heck yeah!

xtratabasco adds a little thing called "flavah" to the forums.

I was thnking tin foil hats myself.

muy_thaiguy wrote:

mr. incrediball wrote:

Snorri1234 wrote:

mr. incrediball wrote:
and... yep, all my respect for you just went down the drain.

You had respect for him?

heck yeah!

xtratabasco adds a little thing called "flavah" to the forums.

I was thnking tin foil hats myself.

you see?

"flavah" tastes like tin foil hats.

The1exile wrote:For much the same reason even if commons and lords agreed to crank the taxes up to 90%, it wouldn't happen, the queen wouldn't.

In case you're thinking that's implausibly high, at one time, 1978 I think, the top rate of income tax in the UK was 84%, along with a surcharge of 14% for unearned income (dividends, savings interest, etc), making a potential top rate of 98%. The top rate didn't get brought down to its current 40% level until the notorious 1988 budget.

I'm not joking when I say that should be reintroduced, but that'd be going even further off-topic than I am already.

Abolish the monarchy: = Yes
Reintroduce the death penalty: = No

For the death penalty, you really don't have to look much farther than the current travesty of justice in the high profile Jill Dando murder. Barry George was imprisoned on supposedly watertight forensic evidence, the validity of which has recently been questioned. This was such a high priority case for the Police at the time that it became an embarrassment to them that they had no leads - (everyone from the mafia to the Serbian army was being blamed), surprise, surprise the local weirdo that liked to dress as Freddy Mercury got fitted up. We'd have hanged him by now if the tabloids had their way.

As for the Royal Family, get shot of the lot of the wasters. If we need a constitutional monarch why not randomly elect a member of the public for a year. If the Queen doesn't have any real powers then then the government wont mind that then will they? Or if the tourism might go down, well then lets let the tourists be a King or Queen for a day - that'll have them flocking here.

But who says that murdering jill dando is a capital offence?

However, reading the "wrong books" should end with an array of testicle chopping, brutal beatings and torture, it's the only way forward.

What books would those be?

MeDeFe wrote:What books would those be?

Mein Kampf?