Conquer Club

ndrs wrote:I'm pretty sure Rodion got it right with Romeo and Juliet belonging to two different factions. Them both being townies would make Town a little too weak?
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it got to be beneficial to Town if we kill one Townie and one Mafia?

It would also mean that they would know who each other are and could vote accordingly? There's a few possibilities here:

1. Shield is fakeclaiming.
2. Romeo and Juliet are both town.
3. Romeo and Juliet are crossed lovers (1 town, 1 maf).

Looking at the scenarios; 1 and 3 suggest it would be a good way to lynch. If number 2 is true we still lynch Shield + someone who is hardly active. This close to a deadline losing lovers isn't nearly as bad as losing doc or cop, and if Namliam outs herself then there may not be enough overlap of protection to cover both of them (assuming they are both town and not one town / one maf).

My vote stays where it is due to the close deadline (not sure if I'll be on again before it passes), but I would really like to hear from Namliam before a decision.

Commander..I have been posting..why prodding me XD

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Well, I defended shield, but like I said, I never defended his character. Now, both of them are in trouble.

Like the others..I also want to wait on Nam's post..but like saf and rodion, the possibilites are high that one if mafia and one town.

Why would we wait for Nam's post? If he's a lover and Nam claims it it's probably gonna be 1 mafia and 1 town. If Nam denies then shield lied and is scum. Either way we kill a scum. The only way we don't is if someone's trolling.

DoomYoshi wrote:Well, we get rid of a inactive if we kill you. That makes future lynches easier.

Shield, it's time to talk seriously. Right now, you are ruining the fun of this game. A lot of people put their necks out to defend you and now you are throwing it back in their faces. What you are doing now is the equivalent of suiciding in the RISK game. If I could label you after this game, I would. Your experiment is studid, your reasoning is stupid, your play style is stupid. I try not to insult people's intelligence (as I remember only too recently when my intelligence was brought into question) but it is necessary in this case. At this point, I don't care if you are the lover, the town will probably lynch you anyways, just to get rid of you.

Why do you have to ruin the game?

is it because of my aggressiveness, blatant bandwagoning, or lack of post content? I'll stop these, to make the game more fun for you. I personally think this game is fun no matter what happens. I'm not trying to ruin the game, my play style is different, and if my play style isn't compatible with yours than I can adjust it (you adjust yours too), to minimize social conflict. I hope you understand I am trying but am a slow learner sometimes.

Meanwhile,

ndrs wrote:

shieldgenerator7 wrote:well, seeing how I'm almost at a lynch, I might as well claim.
I am Romeo (Lover). If you lynch me you will cause my lover to commit suicide, who is Namliam. If she posted at all she could confirm this.
If you lynch me, you kill two people.

This makes it easy for me.

I find this quote a little bit odd. I think a mafia member would jump at the chance to lynch a lover because that means they get an extra kill, and less townies to vote the next day. Knowing who is a lover might make it easier for mafia members to decide who to NK. (of course they might go for doc or cop first, but not knowing who is who they might jump at lovers versus random NK).

shieldgenerator7 wrote:

DoomYoshi wrote:Well, we get rid of a inactive if we kill you. That makes future lynches easier.

Shield, it's time to talk seriously. Right now, you are ruining the fun of this game. A lot of people put their necks out to defend you and now you are throwing it back in their faces. What you are doing now is the equivalent of suiciding in the RISK game. If I could label you after this game, I would. Your experiment is studid, your reasoning is stupid, your play style is stupid. I try not to insult people's intelligence (as I remember only too recently when my intelligence was brought into question) but it is necessary in this case. At this point, I don't care if you are the lover, the town will probably lynch you anyways, just to get rid of you.

Why do you have to ruin the game?

is it because of my aggressiveness, blatant bandwagoning, or lack of post content? I'll stop these, to make the game more fun for you. I personally think this game is fun no matter what happens. I'm not trying to ruin the game, my play style is different, and if my play style isn't compatible with yours than I can adjust it (you adjust yours too), to minimize social conflict. I hope you understand I am trying but am a slow learner sometimes.

Meanwhile,

ndrs wrote:

shieldgenerator7 wrote:well, seeing how I'm almost at a lynch, I might as well claim.
I am Romeo (Lover). If you lynch me you will cause my lover to commit suicide, who is Namliam. If she posted at all she could confirm this.
If you lynch me, you kill two people.

This makes it easy for me.

I find this quote a little bit odd. I think a mafia member would jump at the chance to lynch a lover because that means they get an extra kill, and less townies to vote the next day. Knowing who is a lover might make it easier for mafia members to decide who to NK. (of course they might go for doc or cop first, but not knowing who is who they might jump at lovers versus random NK).

Aggressiveness in and of itself is not a bad thing, but you have to bring the evidence with it. Throwing out random accusations or bandwaggonning is not going to bring results and detracts from the focus of the thread. If you're going to make accusations, you need to have good solid evidence or interpretations.

I'm here and doubtful of my own activity this week. Bear with me, please.

Hmm, Romeo. I agree that they're probably in separate factions, but neither are likely to be town. That was kinda the thing with Romeo and Juliet; the Capulet and Montague families were tearing the town apart. And if it is a mafia/town split, I'd call that a favorable lynch regardless of shield's alignment. 1 Town for 1 Scum is almost always a good trade, and in this case, I'd say go for it.

Unvote vote shield

Question here, Shield, is: are you both "town lovers"?

Shakespeare's opus has Romeo and Juliet as lovers that are part of rivaling families. If the "antagonizing families" were converted as "town" and "mafia" when Commander designed the roles, it becomes worth it to kill you because we'd surely be killing 1 mafia, regardless of who it is (Namliam or you).

The only thing that keeps me from being sure you have to die is the possibility that you're both town. For that to happen we need, first of all, Namliam confirming your claim. Then we can think, although I must admit you'll likely be lynched regardless.

That's L-1, if nam doesn't post something soon, I think someone should hammer with night 2 days away.

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shieldgenerator7 wrote:well, seeing how I'm almost at a lynch, I might as well claim.
I am Romeo (Lover). If you lynch me you will cause my lover to commit suicide, who is Namliam. If she posted at all she could confirm this.
If you lynch me, you kill two people.

Confirmed!

Namliam wrote:

shieldgenerator7 wrote:well, seeing how I'm almost at a lynch, I might as well claim.
I am Romeo (Lover). If you lynch me you will cause my lover to commit suicide, who is Namliam. If she posted at all she could confirm this.
If you lynch me, you kill two people.

Confirmed!

Thats all you have to say?
Confirmed?

If you want to live, I'd suggest you post something with a lot more substance.

Personally, if they're only lovers (eg not hugely important), I'd sacrifice them just to get rid of my headache (also known as shield).

Also, no offense personally shield, but I just can't stand your style of play anymore.

So, Romeo and Juliet? Great. We shouldn't lynch them, but I sure as hell wouldn't give them a doc protect either. Leave that for a player that will return the investment.

edocsil wrote:So, Romeo and Juliet? Great. We shouldn't lynch them, but I sure as hell wouldn't give them a doc protect either. Leave that for a player that will return the investment.

I still think there's at least a 50-50 chance that at least one of them is mafia or not town aligned. Between the quandary that is shield and the submarining that is namliam, I'm willing to take the lynch over a no lynch day 1.

Even if Nam said something, generally lovers don't know if their counterpart are town alligned or not.

And nam did post something.......2 words. In 2 posts. I say go for it.

Heck, I will go for it.

So, my apologies for defending shield at first. Now I am hammering him it seems XD


Vote: Shieldgenerator

Expect the scene some time tonight. Feel free to go ahead and send your actions if you want to.


Sorry freezie

Commander9 wrote:Sorry freezie

..?

For putting you in a prod list

Come up on different streets, they both were streets of shame,
Both dirty, both mean, yes and the dream was just the same,
And I dreamed your dream for you, and now your dream is real
How can you look at me as if I was just another one of your deals?

Romeo Montague was just putting on his next verse in the paper parchment as a huge crowd bursted in.
"We've had enough of your silly ways, Romeo - just because you fall in love, that doesn't mean the whole world has to know! I'm sick of you running around with a beam on your face yelling "Love is all around us!" and "All Thou Needs Is Love." We told you that we got it... WE GOT IT, but you didn't listen. Damn, you're so annoying with that big smile upon your face right now" - a loud voice was heard from the crowd.
"It's time for the trial you damn troll face!" - another voice came from the crowd.
Before they could come and grab Romeo and get him court, a person within a dark robe at the back of the crowd yelled:
"Trial? He does not deserve one! Finish him now..."


Spreading the love does have implications at times.

Romeo (shieldgenerator7), lover, has been lynched. Night 1 begin.

Good game. Good luck Namliam

Commander9 wrote:For putting you in a prod list

No problems...I was nearly going to vote you for skimming, but that would be a own threat to my life with your modkill day-action...So I refrained from it XD

Where are the beers at...

Drabod is replaced by Strikewolf. There are around 24h to 48h until the night is over.

Confirm. I'm already mostly read up but I will finish reading over night.

To those whose I action I still do not have - I will make an exception and I am still accepting them, but you probably want to hurry. Tomorrow is the last date that I'd accept anything.

I hate to be making excuses, but apparently I've got an allergy to something and I've spent the last few hours in the bed. I'll see try to write a scene, but if I'll notice that it's bad quality, it will have to wait. (Allergy and being sick before the finals = awesome )