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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:59 pm
by Selin
Actually some decisions for tonight are getting clearer. Let's have some speculations on that.
carleone's night kill choice: Fircoal, either as townie cop or Solozzo's cop
Solozzo's night kill choice: /, as townie cop
/'s investigation choice: anyone but not Fircoal
townie doctor protecting choice: /, to keep the cop alive
Solozzo's doctor protecting choice: Fircoal, to keep him alive for getting results of his investigation
If those choices will be made, we will have no kill and two investigation results tomorrow!
.
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:00 pm
by Anarkistsdream
Selin wrote:Coming back to Fircoal's issue:
Following Ga7's logic I now agree not to lynch him. If he is pro town on day 1 (I'm sure that he will work for Solozzo's later in the game, if he is not already working for them) he will be the target of mafia anyway tonight. Don't forget that Fircoal's character working for Sollozzo is also a big thread to carleone's, so he will be for sure the target of carloene family. Carleone's won't risk to leave him alive, otherwise he may share some valuable information with solozzo's after his investigation tonight.
So, why should we waste our day 1 lynch, even if Fircoal is already working for a mafia family. Let the other mafia family kill him.
Any other ideas?
.
McClusky extorted everyone. He didn't really work with anyone unless they were the highest bidder, and he had no allegiances...
That's why he is dangerous.
I'm not gonna unvote, but so far Ga7 and Kalish have come up with som interesting points throughout this game.
Like I said, though, we can't guarantee that Fircoal is even a cop. McClusky could be an SK, as he has no allegiances. So, by leaving him alive, we are giving him a chance to kill.
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:00 pm
by Anarkistsdream
rebelman wrote:Anarkistsdream wrote:wicked wrote:firth4eva wrote:The only suspicious bit is that / came out when he did. And where he said "I waited until the day killers had killed so I knew I was safe."
QFE. I didn't know there were day killers when the game started, did any of you? / would only assume there was a day killer if he knew from his role, i.e. "you're in a day mafia that acts during the day" and from talking to his scum buddies during the day.
So /, care to tell us how you knew there would be day killings before they happened?
DAMN! Good catch firth, and good to bring it back up, Wicked.
i like it
now / what's the story ????
I need to wait until "/" answers this.
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:03 pm
by nagerous
Vote Count:
Firth (2)– Spurg, Selin
Baby Skittles! (1) – Lovo
Rebelman (3) Kernal_Kronic, The1exile, Garlic Muncher
Riggable (1) Mandalorian
IceDagger (7) Clive, Serbia, LSU, Gimpy, Diddle, Wicked, Rebelman
Fircoal (13 1/2) IceDagger, Tonka, Nark, f1fth, firth, Crab, Mandy, Baby Talapus, Baby Neoteny, MountainLion, Baby Skittles!, / , Fircoal, Iliad, Kalish
With 31 1/2 votes in total it takes 16 for a lynch..
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:15 pm
by MountainLion
Selin's making some good points. I would re-think voting Fircoal, but I don't really see a better target.
and I agree / needs to clarify what he said earlier.
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:27 pm
by Selin
Anarkistsdream wrote:Selin wrote:Coming back to Fircoal's issue:
Following Ga7's logic I now agree not to lynch him. If he is pro town on day 1 (I'm sure that he will work for Solozzo's later in the game, if he is not already working for them) he will be the target of mafia anyway tonight. Don't forget that Fircoal's character working for Sollozzo is also a big thread to carleone's, so he will be for sure the target of carloene family. Carleone's won't risk to leave him alive, otherwise he may share some valuable information with solozzo's after his investigation tonight.
So, why should we waste our day 1 lynch, even if Fircoal is already working for a mafia family. Let the other mafia family kill him.
Any other ideas?
.
McClusky extorted everyone. He didn't really work with anyone unless they were the highest bidder, and he had no allegiances...
That's why he is dangerous.
I'm not gonna unvote, but so far Ga7 and Kalish have come up with som interesting points throughout this game.
Like I said, though, we can't guarantee that Fircoal is even a cop. McClusky could be an SK, as he has no allegiances. So, by leaving him alive, we are giving him a chance to kill.
/ said that fircoal is a cop and said also his name. fircoal confirmed both he is a cop and his name. So I don't see much other possibilities other than fircoal is a cop. I agree that he is dangerous, my point is that he is also dangerous for the mafia!
.
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:29 pm
by F1fth
rebelman wrote:F1fth wrote: And I also don't like that he tried to assert (for whatever reason) that at least one of the babies must be scum. I don't know how you can possibly come to that conclusion this early in the game.
i have watched all 3 films at least a dozen times - hence i know who the kids are and who they grow up into there arent sufficent vanilla/town young characters that grow up during the trilogy hence ny belief that at least 1 is scum.
My claim got skittles to reveal he doesnt know his alignment yet (this in itself was a success) as we now know that skittles is either scum and couldnt come up with a defense that would make him a townie so went for that vague one or he is telling the truth is unalligned now but potentially will grow into scum.
Yes, but just because you know the movie doesn't mean you know the setup. Like you said, one or more of these players may grow into scum, but don't be so sure that you know if they're scum now.
And did anyone see this?
Selin wrote:Actually some decisions for tonight are getting clearer. Let's have some speculations on that.
carleone's night kill choice: Fircoal, either as townie cop or Solozzo's cop
Solozzo's night kill choice: /, as townie cop
/'s investigation choice: anyone but not Fircoal
townie doctor protecting choice: /, to keep the cop alive
Solozzo's doctor protecting choice: Fircoal, to keep him alive for getting results of his investigation
If those choices will be made, we will have no kill and two investigation results tomorrow!
.
From the day scene, the only other family mentioned is the Barzini family, so what makes you think that there's a Solozzo? And furthermore, why on earth would you assume that they have a doctor?
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:29 pm
by rebelman
Selin wrote:
/ said that fircoal is a cop and said also his name. fircoal confirmed both he is a cop and his name. So I don't see much other possibilities other than fircoal is a cop. I agree that he is dangerous, my point is that he is also dangerous for the mafia!
.
agreed completely
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:31 pm
by rebelman
MountainLion wrote:Selin's making some good points. I would re-think voting Fircoal, but I don't really see a better target.
and I agree / needs to clarify what he said earlier.
much of what selin said about fircoal had been said by me amongstothers already
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:40 pm
by Anarkistsdream
F1fth wrote:rebelman wrote:F1fth wrote: And I also don't like that he tried to assert (for whatever reason) that at least one of the babies must be scum. I don't know how you can possibly come to that conclusion this early in the game.
i have watched all 3 films at least a dozen times - hence i know who the kids are and who they grow up into there arent sufficent vanilla/town young characters that grow up during the trilogy hence ny belief that at least 1 is scum.
My claim got skittles to reveal he doesnt know his alignment yet (this in itself was a success) as we now know that skittles is either scum and couldnt come up with a defense that would make him a townie so went for that vague one or he is telling the truth is unalligned now but potentially will grow into scum.
Yes, but just because you know the movie doesn't mean you know the setup. Like you said, one or more of these players may grow into scum, but don't be so sure that you know if they're scum now.
And did anyone see this?
Selin wrote:Actually some decisions for tonight are getting clearer. Let's have some speculations on that.
carleone's night kill choice: Fircoal, either as townie cop or Solozzo's cop
Solozzo's night kill choice: /, as townie cop
/'s investigation choice: anyone but not Fircoal
townie doctor protecting choice: /, to keep the cop alive
Solozzo's doctor protecting choice: Fircoal, to keep him alive for getting results of his investigation
If those choices will be made, we will have no kill and two investigation results tomorrow!
.
From the day scene, the only other family mentioned is the Barzini family, so what makes you think that there's a Solozzo? And furthermore, why on earth would you assume that they have a doctor?
Solozzo worked for the Tattaglias... There is no Solozzo mob.
Me thinks that Selin doesn't know as much about the movies and books as he says.
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:45 pm
by F1fth
Bah, I need to watch those freaking movies.
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:46 pm
by MountainLion
rebelman wrote:MountainLion wrote:Selin's making some good points. I would re-think voting Fircoal, but I don't really see a better target.
and I agree / needs to clarify what he said earlier.
much of what selin said about fircoal had been said by me amongstothers already
right, but he did come up with the McCluskey being an enemy of the Corleones which hadn't been brought up yet I believe...actually the fact that the Corleones might kill him anyway, so why waist a lynch.
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:49 pm
by Anarkistsdream
MountainLion wrote:rebelman wrote:MountainLion wrote:Selin's making some good points. I would re-think voting Fircoal, but I don't really see a better target.
and I agree / needs to clarify what he said earlier.
much of what selin said about fircoal had been said by me amongstothers already
right, but he did come up with the McCluskey being an enemy of the Corleones which hadn't been brought up yet I believe...actually the fact that the Corleones might kill him anyway, so why waist a lynch.
That's a good point, too.
Again, though, I won't change my vote until I hear from "/"
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:53 pm
by mandalorian2298
Selin wrote:Actually some decisions for tonight are getting clearer. Let's have some speculations on that.
carleone's night kill choice: Fircoal, either as townie cop or Solozzo's cop
Solozzo's night kill choice: /, as townie cop
/'s investigation choice: anyone but not Fircoal
townie doctor protecting choice: /, to keep the cop alive
Solozzo's doctor protecting choice: Fircoal, to keep him alive for getting results of his investigation
If those choices will be made, we will have no kill and two investigation results tomorrow!
.
No, we will get 2 kills (since most Scum have this funny little habit of targeting people who
aren't protected
).
MountainLion wrote:rebelman wrote:MountainLion wrote:Selin's making some good points. I would re-think voting Fircoal, but I don't really see a better target.
and I agree / needs to clarify what he said earlier.
much of what selin said about fircoal had been said by me amongstothers already
right, but he did come up with the McCluskey being an enemy of the Corleones which hadn't been brought up yet I believe...actually the fact that the Corleones might kill him anyway, so why waist a lynch.
Because only good Mafia is dead Mafia.
SFOS Lion & Selin they are both good players and yet they both want to protect Fircoal despite the fact that he claimed a scum roll. If Fircoal come out as Scum, I'm betting at least one of these two is scum as well.
My vote stays on Fircoal (YAY!
).
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:08 pm
by MountainLion
mandalorian2298 wrote:Because only good Mafia is dead Mafia.
SFOS Lion & Selin they are both good players and yet they both want to protect Fircoal despite the fact that he claimed a scum roll. If Fircoal come out as Scum, I'm betting at least one of these two is scum as well.
My vote stays on Fircoal (YAY!
).
But we don't know for sure 100% that he's scum. By definition of his character, he should be scum, but I've been in a couple other mafia games where the mod didn't align them the way I would have, so you never know.
Plus if you weren't skimming, you'd know that I have a vote on Fircoal right now.
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:15 pm
by mandalorian2298
MountainLion wrote:mandalorian2298 wrote:Because only good Mafia is dead Mafia.
SFOS Lion & Selin they are both good players and yet they both want to protect Fircoal despite the fact that he claimed a scum roll. If Fircoal come out as Scum, I'm betting at least one of these two is scum as well.
My vote stays on Fircoal (YAY!
).
But we don't know for sure 100% that he's scum. By definition of his character, he should be scum, but I've been in a couple other mafia games where the mod didn't align them the way I would have, so you never know.
Plus if you weren't skimming, you'd know that I have a vote on Fircoal right now.
The fact that you voted Fircoal is stated in the post that I quoted. BUT, you also seem to like Selin's idea of releasing Fircoal to the wilderness (which is always a bad choice. For the wilderness.
). Hence the SFOS.
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:22 pm
by MountainLion
But we don't know 100% sure that he's scum! and the only good mafia is dead mafia, but mafia using their night kills to kill other mafia is also good, because then we can use our lynch in another direction. of course, there are probably a lot of variables each night, and we don't know if Fircoal will be found out for sure.
Anyway, I seem to be going in circles. I accept your SFOS, and somehow we need to decide what to do with Fircoal...
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:25 pm
by firth4eva
/ wrote:geez, the day kills happened like less than an hour after I got here, I keep saying, I wasn't even planning on revealing my role unless there seemed to be a need for info, theres no deadlines, there were no kills, why would I claim the second I got here? I keep saying the I needed to get the info out before I was killed, so I waited to make sure the killers weren't still active, then I made my claim.
Anyways, the way that Wicked is pressuring this matter when it will be settled next phase make me believe that if fircoal is scum, then wicked is defiantly a teammate of his. I mean you say we should never lynch a claimed cop, but you seem to be trying to put me (also a claimed cop) on the gallows yourself.
BUSTED!
I think. In my head it sounded like he meant he knew there were daykillers. Anyone else think I'm fucked in the head or am I making sense?
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:27 pm
by Anarkistsdream
firth4eva wrote:/ wrote:geez, the day kills happened like less than an hour after I got here, I keep saying, I wasn't even planning on revealing my role unless there seemed to be a need for info, theres no deadlines, there were no kills, why would I claim the second I got here? I keep saying the I needed to get the info out before I was killed, so I waited to make sure the killers weren't still active, then I made my claim.
Anyways, the way that Wicked is pressuring this matter when it will be settled next phase make me believe that if fircoal is scum, then wicked is defiantly a teammate of his. I mean you say we should never lynch a claimed cop, but you seem to be trying to put me (also a claimed cop) on the gallows yourself.
BUSTED!
I think. In my head it sounded like he meant he knew there were daykillers. Anyone else think I'm fucked in the head or am I making sense?
Yeah, it certainly sounds odd, because how the hell would "/" know how many day killers there are?
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:33 pm
by riggable
mandalorian2298 wrote:Selin wrote:Actually some decisions for tonight are getting clearer. Let's have some speculations on that.
carleone's night kill choice: Fircoal, either as townie cop or Solozzo's cop
Solozzo's night kill choice: /, as townie cop
/'s investigation choice: anyone but not Fircoal
townie doctor protecting choice: /, to keep the cop alive
Solozzo's doctor protecting choice: Fircoal, to keep him alive for getting results of his investigation
If those choices will be made, we will have no kill and two investigation results tomorrow!
.
No, we will get 2 kills (since most Scum have this funny little habit of targeting people who
aren't protected
).
MountainLion wrote:rebelman wrote:MountainLion wrote:Selin's making some good points. I would re-think voting Fircoal, but I don't really see a better target.
and I agree / needs to clarify what he said earlier.
much of what selin said about fircoal had been said by me amongstothers already
right, but he did come up with the McCluskey being an enemy of the Corleones which hadn't been brought up yet I believe...actually the fact that the Corleones might kill him anyway, so why waist a lynch.
Because only good Mafia is dead Mafia.
SFOS Lion & Selin they are both good players and yet they both want to protect Fircoal despite the fact that he claimed a scum roll. If Fircoal come out as Scum, I'm betting at least one of these two is scum as well.
My vote stays on Fircoal (YAY!
).
According to the vote count, your vote is actualy on me.
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:39 pm
by gimpyThewonder
Selin wrote:Coming back to Fircoal's issue:
Following Ga7's logic I now agree not to lynch him. If he is pro town on day 1 (I'm sure that he will work for Solozzo's later in the game, if he is not already working for them) he will be the target of mafia anyway tonight. Don't forget that Fircoal's character working for Sollozzo is also a big thread to carleone's, so he will be for sure the target of carloene family. Carleone's won't risk to leave him alive, otherwise he may share some valuable information with solozzo's after his investigation tonight.
So, why should we waste our day 1 lynch, even if Fircoal is already working for a mafia family. Let the other mafia family kill him.
Any other ideas?
.
This post really made me think that Selin is scum. He's basically saying that fricoal is in
his scum group so we shouldn't worry about lynching scum. this post reeks of evil intentions so:
unvote vote selin
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:42 pm
by MountainLion
/ wrote:I don't have a name to my role, I'm just "Inquisitive deputy".
/, if you're a deputy, wouldn't that mean you don't have any investigations unless the cop above you dies? The fact that you're "inquisitvie" would explain how you knew who Fircoal is, but you say you can investigate Fircoal during night 1, but how can you do that if you're a deputy?
Also /, or anyone else who may know, how experienced are you in playing mafia games?
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:03 pm
by rebelman
F1fth wrote:Bah, I need to watch those freaking movies.
they will be on sky movies soon if you live in this part of the world
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:12 pm
by Iliad
Anarkistsdream wrote:firth4eva wrote:/ wrote:geez, the day kills happened like less than an hour after I got here, I keep saying, I wasn't even planning on revealing my role unless there seemed to be a need for info, theres no deadlines, there were no kills, why would I claim the second I got here? I keep saying the I needed to get the info out before I was killed, so I waited to make sure the killers weren't still active, then I made my claim.
Anyways, the way that Wicked is pressuring this matter when it will be settled next phase make me believe that if fircoal is scum, then wicked is defiantly a teammate of his. I mean you say we should never lynch a claimed cop, but you seem to be trying to put me (also a claimed cop) on the gallows yourself.
BUSTED!
I think. In my head it sounded like he meant he knew there were daykillers. Anyone else think I'm fucked in the head or am I making sense?
Yeah, it certainly sounds odd, because how the hell would "/" know how many day killers there are?
yeah this looks like an excellent catch
unvote
let's see what / has to say but I doubt he has enough
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:20 pm
by rebelman
at this stage now several of us have made convincing arguments why fircoal should be saved i think our focus should now be on finding a new target at this stage we have looked at multiple ones but now its time to start focusing so we can have a meaningful pro town lynch today.