Conquer Club

Sirius Kase wrote:

Razorvich wrote:

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6 haven't voted. Why haven't Pika, Ragian, aage, chapcrap, TX AG, and blacky voted? Are they waiting for something? Are they afraid of looking like scum? Would they rather not vote at all than risk voting on wrong person?

People are so quick to demand justification for a vote. That's understandable. But, considering how long we've been treading water, I think it's time to demand justification for not voting.

I haven't decided between jfm and Strike Wolf.

jfm10 wrote:

Tobikera wrote:

jfm10 wrote:Because it's a new player that has accepted strike wolf will just do it tonight.

Forget Strike Wolf, I'm getting confused here, didn't you state "there was a day doctor, who was going to cure blacky on D2, and to please not lynch me until I am proven right??"

I am saying that the healing comes in the daytime and to lynch strike wolf to be scum enough to take a role that isn't his.

But how will we know if the healing comes? Just because Blacky says he is healed doesn't make it so...

Metsfanmax wrote:So that I'm on the record for D2, I'll vote Tobikera since he's been acting a little weird this whole time. jfm just put himself out on a limb, and Tobi won't even give him the time to let his gambit play out, which is suspicious. If Tobi is right that jfm's BS'ing us, it won't take us very long to find out.

Well, Metsfanmax, that's not a good way for me to take my vote off of you. What do you mean "Tobi won't even give him the time to let his gambit play out"? I don't even have a vote on him, it's on you. And, jfm still hasn't answered my question. The KEY text is "ACTED ALREADY". It seems if there is a day doctor role, and blacky is poisoned, he would spring into action with the mod right away. Why wait? Of course, maybe he has and the mod is otherwise distracted.

And jfm, I didn't find anything up near the top of the page which answered my question. And, now, just before posting, I see TX AG 90's comment and have to agree, as I said something similar earlier.

Tobikera wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:So that I'm on the record for D2, I'll vote Tobikera since he's been acting a little weird this whole time. jfm just put himself out on a limb, and Tobi won't even give him the time to let his gambit play out, which is suspicious. If Tobi is right that jfm's BS'ing us, it won't take us very long to find out.

Well, Metsfanmax, that's not a good way for me to take my vote off of you. What do you mean "Tobi won't even give him the time to let his gambit play out"? I don't even have a vote on him, it's on you. And, jfm still hasn't answered my question. The KEY text is "ACTED ALREADY". It seems if there is a day doctor role, and blacky is poisoned, he would spring into action with the mod right away. Why wait? Of course, maybe he has and the mod is otherwise distracted.

And jfm, I didn't find anything up near the top of the page which answered my question. And, now, just before posting, I see TX AG 90's comment and have to agree, as I said something similar earlier.

Because we have new players learning the game tobi and he may not know that 2 doctors performing heals for poison is very unlikely.It would of been a good idea not to challenge strike wolfs claim because some players heads would be spinning out of control with 3 doctor claims.And my previous quote is above halfway.

TX AG 90 wrote: But how will we know if the healing comes? Just because Blacky says he is healed doesn't make it so...

If the healer attempts to heal Blacky and Blacky doesn't need healing, what sort of feedback will the healer receive?

Sirius Kase wrote:

TX AG 90 wrote: But how will we know if the healing comes? Just because Blacky says he is healed doesn't make it so...

If the healer attempts to heal Blacky and Blacky doesn't need healing, what sort of feedback will the healer receive?

Wouldn't matter cause we don't want the healer to step out into the light.This will be only accepting a response from blacky.

I will be gone for the next 14 hours so please don't expect any responses from me till then.

It has been a busy week. Apologies for the absence, I didn't have the time and peace of mind to get into the thread. I'm here now though.

Vote jfm10

This kind of seems like a no-brainer at this point, and I find it a little suspicious that some people are hesitant on this. The guy simply claims to have too much information he shouldn't have.
The shortlist of his bad stuff:
- He says he's a Seraph Knight that can self-target, I've never played with this role before but it seems pretty silly to allow it to self-target... Now he claims he didn't do this which honestly would just be bad play, but he is also trying to get the doc to protect him now? Why didn't you protect yourself if you want protection, mate?
- He says he knows who "the doctor" is. I mean... what? When questioned about this he says he won't reveal it yet, this is just a stalling tactic.
- He says there is a day doctor, there is absolutely no evidence of this, who will heal Blacky. If that is true, there's only two people who could possibly know that: the day doctor, or the poisoner('s teammates). Secondly, if there is a day doctor who can cure poison, they would have used their day doc power on Blacky the moment they saw his post about being poisoned. Therefore there is absolutely no reason to assume this can be true. FoS Mets here for not at all thinking this through and yelling to "give jfm time to play out his gambit". There is no gambit.
- He says Strike is scum because he's a "night doctor", aka the most common kind of doctor in Mafia and the kind of doctor everyone means when they say "doctor" in this game.


Honestly even if this guy does turn out to be town I won't feel sorry, he's so full of shit.

aage wrote: - He says there is a day doctor, there is absolutely no evidence of this, who will heal Blacky. If that is true, there's only two people who could possibly know that: the day doctor, or the poisoner('s teammates). Secondly, if there is a day doctor who can cure poison, they would have used their day doc power on Blacky the moment they saw his post about being poisoned. Therefore there is absolutely no reason to assume this can be true. FoS Mets here for not at all thinking this through and yelling to "give jfm time to play out his gambit". There is no gambit.

Obviously I have thought it through. I just don't see the problem in giving him a little more time to prove it. If it doesn't pan out for the reason he has stated ("Because we have new players learning the game"), he's dug his own grave.

I know we're past joke/speculation phase of the game but I have the urge to say it again: this game may not be even a mafia game but rather a game for Razorvich's pleasure. So I can believe we have a poisoner and the poisoned and I can believe we have a day doctor who can treat poison only during the day. But... as aage said, Jfm is full of shit since the very start of the game. I had my reasons D1 and probably saved him from lynch but I'm not doing the same mistake again.

@jfm, any reason to think blacky would be notified if healed? You don't get notified if you get saved by a NK by a doc, I don't really see why a day doc would trigger a notification from the mod

TX AG 90 wrote:That being said, I'm still on the fence with these 2, but agree that one has to go and maybe both.

You think they could be on the same scum team?

TX AG 90 wrote: But how will we know if the healing comes? Just because Blacky says he is healed doesn't make it so...

if blacky lies about being healed we should easily know he is scum.
Case 1: He is healed but says he isn't: day doc can counter-claim and we got blacky and SW pegged as scum
Case 2: He isn't healed, but says he is: either we lynch blacky to not risk losing a doc, or we lynch SW directly. Either way we lynch the other one the following day if the 1st one hasn't turned out scum.

aage wrote:- He says there is a day doctor, there is absolutely no evidence of this, who will heal Blacky. If that is true, there's only two people who could possibly know that: the day doctor, or the poisoner('s teammates). Secondly, if there is a day doctor who can cure poison, they would have used their day doc power on Blacky the moment they saw his post about being poisoned. Therefore there is absolutely no reason to assume this can be true. FoS Mets here for not at all thinking this through and yelling to "give jfm time to play out his gambit". There is no gambit.

Blacky might have been poisoned by redirection or by a SK, therefore being poisoned doesn't necessarily mean he isn't scum. At this point, I think it would be poor play to let him die so early but the doc might not have made the call yet (I am not it though).
But I agree jfm saying he knows there is a day doc (and who it is) is immensely suspicious, especially since he claims to not have used his action last night, as I would assume there would still be hidden aspects to his role, so I doubt he's taking his information from there

ZaBeast wrote:@jfm, any reason to think blacky would be notified if healed? You don't get notified if you get saved by a NK by a doc, I don't really see why a day doc would trigger a notification from the mod

TX AG 90 wrote:That being said, I'm still on the fence with these 2, but agree that one has to go and maybe both.

You think they could be on the same scum team?

I doubt it, but haven't ruled out the possibility or of one being mafia and another a 3rd party. Both just seem scummy right now.

TX AG 90 wrote: But how will we know if the healing comes? Just because Blacky says he is healed doesn't make it so...

if blacky lies about being healed we should easily know he is scum.
Case 1: He is healed but says he isn't: day doc can counter-claim and we got blacky and SW pegged as scum
Case 2: He isn't healed, but says he is: either we lynch blacky to not risk losing a doc, or we lynch SW directly. Either way we lynch the other one the following day if the 1st one hasn't turned out scum.[/quote]

Case 3: He made up being poisoned

aage wrote:- He says there is a day doctor, there is absolutely no evidence of this, who will heal Blacky. If that is true, there's only two people who could possibly know that: the day doctor, or the poisoner('s teammates). Secondly, if there is a day doctor who can cure poison, they would have used their day doc power on Blacky the moment they saw his post about being poisoned. Therefore there is absolutely no reason to assume this can be true. FoS Mets here for not at all thinking this through and yelling to "give jfm time to play out his gambit". There is no gambit.

Blacky might have been poisoned by redirection or by a SK, therefore being poisoned doesn't necessarily mean he isn't scum. At this point, I think it would be poor play to let him die so early but the doc might not have made the call yet (I am not it though).
But I agree jfm saying he knows there is a day doc (and who it is) is immensely suspicious, especially since he claims to not have used his action last night, as I would assume there would still be hidden aspects to his role, so I doubt he's taking his information from there[/quote]

I still believe that if Blacky is telling the truth about being poisoned it was due to a passive response to an action he took.

TX AG 90 wrote:

ZaBeast wrote:@jfm, any reason to think blacky would be notified if healed? You don't get notified if you get saved by a NK by a doc, I don't really see why a day doc would trigger a notification from the mod

TX AG 90 wrote:That being said, I'm still on the fence with these 2, but agree that one has to go and maybe both.

You think they could be on the same scum team?

I doubt it, but haven't ruled out the possibility or of one being mafia and another a 3rd party. Both just seem scummy right now.

TX AG 90 wrote: But how will we know if the healing comes? Just because Blacky says he is healed doesn't make it so...

if blacky lies about being healed we should easily know he is scum.
Case 1: He is healed but says he isn't: day doc can counter-claim and we got blacky and SW pegged as scum
Case 2: He isn't healed, but says he is: either we lynch blacky to not risk losing a doc, or we lynch SW directly. Either way we lynch the other one the following day if the 1st one hasn't turned out scum.

Case 3: He made up being poisoned

aage wrote:- He says there is a day doctor, there is absolutely no evidence of this, who will heal Blacky. If that is true, there's only two people who could possibly know that: the day doctor, or the poisoner('s teammates). Secondly, if there is a day doctor who can cure poison, they would have used their day doc power on Blacky the moment they saw his post about being poisoned. Therefore there is absolutely no reason to assume this can be true. FoS Mets here for not at all thinking this through and yelling to "give jfm time to play out his gambit". There is no gambit.

Blacky might have been poisoned by redirection or by a SK, therefore being poisoned doesn't necessarily mean he isn't scum. At this point, I think it would be poor play to let him die so early but the doc might not have made the call yet (I am not it though).
But I agree jfm saying he knows there is a day doc (and who it is) is immensely suspicious, especially since he claims to not have used his action last night, as I would assume there would still be hidden aspects to his role, so I doubt he's taking his information from there[/quote]

I still believe that if Blacky is telling the truth about being poisoned it was due to a passive response to an action he took.[/quote]

I have color coded my responses sine I can't get the Forum quote commands down correctly...

TX AG 90 wrote:I doubt it, but haven't ruled out the possibility or of one being mafia and another a 3rd party. Both just seem scummy right now.

3rd party SW would have no reason to fake counter-claim on jfm because that would make him a good target for scum and is a very risky move for someone who wants to live to the endgame (unless he'd be a lyncher, and in that case good for him)
It's not in scum SW's advantage to fake counter-claim on jfm as it would be trading 1 scum for 1 town, which is not in scum's favor as they are outnumbered.

TX AG 90 wrote: Case 3: He made up being poisoned

Still plays out the same:
1- he claims having been healed: either he is lying or SW is
2- he claims he hasn't been healed: either the doc can come forward if he actually has been healed, or he guessed right and there is no day doc, so jfm is scum.

Aage comes in after an eternity away to put jmf at L-1. That's noted. Sort of what got Pershy lynched D1. I'm firm on not voting for jmf.

It's also noted the people still voting jmf and now backpedalling. I wonder if that's to set up the whole, "I didn't know..." for D3.

For the record just because jfm continued to spew bs now doesn't mean there was a good case on him earlier. Skoffin even misread his posts because he never claimed that he can't target himself anymore, that part was pretty consistent.

But jfm here's a list of roles: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... :All_Roles

Maybe you can find one you can stick to.

I really thought the push on you d1 was an absolute scum-led shitshow but turns out you actually are scum.

And if not then strap in boys and girls because this game is even weirder than what was promised.

Actually nah .. there's too many holes now.. I gave the benefit of doubt for the first 2 lies because of the gamestate and how d1 went, that narrative made no sense to me if jfm was scum, but holy shit we're at plot hole number 5? 6? Now..

Pedit - Ragian yeah we can judge aage later this doesn't clear him but like jfm is scum now .. it's no longer a Policy lynch fron my side.

He's trying to lynch a claimed regular doctor, because apparently he has knowledge of a day doctor. While being a self-targeting seraph knight who didn't target anybody last night.

So even if you think he gained a bonus ability that told him there was a day doctor, he WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN THIS ABILITY IF HE DIDN'T USE HIS ACTION.

Unless you think he got the ability just for being alive in which case razorvich is being unfair to everyone else. And he might have created a wild setup but I don't think he will make bonus abilities super easy for some people to get and much harder for others to.

Metsfanmax wrote:

Skoffin wrote: Mets, a Seraph Knight can't target themselves

And you know this because... you helped the mods write the role PMs?

Yes, obviously.
This is also part answering buj's comment too - I'm assuming that Seraph Knight in this game can't self target; because the role normally can't self-target, but also because it makes the role goddamn God mode if it was allowed. so no I don't believe he can self-target.

Ragoo - so what do you actually think of jfm's claim then? Who DO you think is scum then? How many stories are you going to allow him to play before you accept he's bullshitting you

Skoffin wrote:This is also part answering buj's comment too - I'm assuming that Seraph Knight in this game can't self target; because the role normally can't self-target, but also because it makes the role goddamn God mode if it was allowed. so no I don't believe he can self-target.

A Seraph Knight is just a less powerful doctor. Even if it's self-targeting, it's still less powerful than a self-targeting doctor. Self-targeting doc isn't god mode, we've had it here before, even if it is not the norm.

The only case in which self-targeting Seraph Knight is god mode is if the player is scum... which is the thing we're trying to determine here, we can't beg the question.

I also find it highly plausible that if jfm never could target himself at all, then he merely said so D1 to misdirect scum. If that is the case, he's not scum for lying about it, it's a strong move as town. It's still weird that he partial claimed on D1, but given that he did, it's still the right thing to say.

I am The Town Assassin

100 credits After infecting a Town guy, and he is saved by a healer
thats why I want blacky saved

I have no partners but surely wish i had.

goodluck everyone

And the picture of me is a fresh water angelfish.

jfm10 wrote:I am The Town Assassin

100 credits After infecting a Town guy, and he is saved by a healer
thats why I want blacky saved

So you change your claim a vote away from being lynched and you don't think you should make a full claim of your role when you do..? You don't think you need to explain the rest of your previous actions? -Why you claimed Doctor or Seraph Knight?

So has JFM just admitted to poisoning me?
If thatis the case can the doctor pleeeeeease heal me tonight
id be ever so grateful!

but in the meantime
unvote
vote JFM

jfm10 wrote:I am The Town Assassin

100 credits After infecting a Town guy, and he is saved by a healer
thats why I want blacky saved

I have no partners but surely wish i had.

goodluck everyone

And the picture of me is a fresh water angelfish.

If you are a TOWN Assassin, why would you get credits for poisoning a townie? Makes no sense.