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Obama's records from college years remain sealed, including his Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago.

Well, since all of the records are off-limits, I suppose we have a green light to speculate?

#1 why are they sealed?

#2 what do you think his Columbia thesis was? Does anyone know?

Obama is so smart, but I am not sure if he got an A in finance, or if he dropped out of it twice.

Probably, "How I will use my Islamic faith and Marxist ideology to destroy America"

Baron Von PWN wrote:Probably, "How I will use my Islamic faith and Marxist ideology to destroy America"

I suppose it is possible. It was the same time he was seeking out Marxists...

any opinions as to why they are sealed?

Well the records are private documents and therefore shouldn't be the purview of the public. It's his business whether he wants people to know what grades he received. I find it curious that his published works would somehow be "sealed" how would this be done? How are they being sealed exactly?

Baron Von PWN wrote:Well the records are private documents and therefore shouldn't be the purview of the public. It's his business whether he wants people to know what grades he received. I find it curious that his published works would somehow be "sealed" how would this be done? How are they being sealed exactly?

oh, you don't get to become president without perfecting the art of scrubbing your past clean. I do not know how they are sealed. your statement that they were released publicly is an assumption. The furthest I got was obama does not have his papers, the college deleted, destroyed, or omitted his papers, and some professors who have been asked also say they do not have any of his works. There was a fake thesis floating around "aristocracy..." something...

however, I only want to see if he got a better GPA than Bush. We all ripped on Bush for barely passing college. We should get to rip on Obama as well(if he got shitty grades).

On a side note, how can anyone say "Obama is so smart, he is so brilliant..." but they have never seen any of his grades, his works, his thesis.....probably nothing. What do people base that on?

Was this your old cig?

Phatscotty wrote:

Baron Von PWN wrote:Well the records are private documents and therefore shouldn't be the purview of the public. It's his business whether he wants people to know what grades he received. I find it curious that his published works would somehow be "sealed" how would this be done? How are they being sealed exactly?

oh, you don't get to become president without perfecting the art of scrubbing your past clean. I do not know how they are sealed. your statement that they were released publicly is an assumption. The furthest I got was obama does not have his papers, the college deleted, destroyed, or omitted his papers, and some professors who have been asked also say they do not have any of his works. There was a fake thesis floating around "aristocracy..." something...

however, I only want to see if he got a better GPA than Bush. We all ripped on Bush for barely passing college. We should get to rip on Obama as well(if he got shitty grades).

On a side note, how can anyone say "Obama is so smart, he is so brilliant..." but they have never seen any of his grades, his works, his thesis.....probably nothing. What do people base that on?

if they were published in scholarly journals you should be able to look them up through those journals. You mentioned Harvard law review articles and scholarly articles for UoC, usually that means published.

If they were actualy published they should still be accessible through the publishers. I don't find it surprising that he doesn't have all his papers anymore, I certainly don't have all of the papers I've ever written. I think he went to university before computers were really big so that makes it even more difficult. Proffs don't typically keep students old papers as they either get handed back to the students or thrown out. I do find it odd he doesn't have his thesis statement, though it certainly is possible to lose things over the years.

well has written a few books, normally you have be at least fairly intelligent to be published in the Harvard law review. I don't see anything particularly sinister here.

It remains open to speculation.

Same can be said for old Dubya.


Anyway if you had read Dreams From My Father, Obama actually talks in that about his checkered past. He is not ashamed of his upbringing.

nagerous wrote:Same can be said for old Dubya.


Anyway if you had read Dreams From My Father, Obama actually talks in that about his checkered past. He is not ashamed of his upbringing.

GW had a C- average. Bush was smart enough to figure out how to get through college that he did not have to hide it the rest of his life....

I am wondering if Obama was a drop-out

I'd be surprised if Obama passed any finance or economics classes. For him to get a D in either course there would have to be some EXTREMELY dumb people in that curve. Face it, the guy gives a good specious speech. Beyond that, there is nothing The American people were bamboozled. But, as others have said November 2nd we are coming.

lol

Are they any other presidents over the last 50-100 years who have not willingly shown their personal records? Heck, we find out information about the President's yearly health physicals. There is no way educational experiences are more private than that information.

rockfist wrote:I'd be surprised if Obama passed any finance or economics classes. For him to get a D in either course there would have to be some EXTREMELY dumb people in that curve. Face it, the guy gives a good specious speech. Beyond that, there is nothing The American people were bamboozled. But, as others have said November 2nd we are coming.

remember, we are just speculating, since all his college records are off-limits

like when the liberals flipped out over not being able to prove if George Bush was at a military physical? The liberal mantra, just a few years ago was "WE DEMAND TO SEE BUSHES RECORDS! WE HAVE A RIGHT!"

Since they are sealed, we can only speculate ...

Did Obama stress his "foreign born" status in order to obtain better treatment in those institutions? (Note that I am not per se arguing the birther argument, merely that he might have "lied" (or not) about his status in order to get better treatment and this information could be easily abused by the birther movement.)

tzor wrote:Since they are sealed, we can only speculate ...

Did Obama stress his "foreign born" status in order to obtain better treatment in those institutions? (Note that I am not per se arguing the birther argument, merely that he might have "lied" (or not) about his status in order to get better treatment and this information could be easily abused by the birther movement.)

Do you have an opinion as to what his Thesis was at Columbia? It's wide open

Phatscotty wrote:Do you have an opinion as to what his Thesis was at Columbia? It's wide open

"Monte Carlo Silumation of a Local Area Network" ... no wait, that was my Master's thesis, not his.

"How to achieve wealth redistribution under the guise of being pro-growth."

blair got a 3rd, and y'all seem in no danger of losing the love there. he's made millions in talks stateside. round these parts his name is still a form of audible poison

khazalid wrote:blair got a 3rd, and y'all seem in no danger of losing the love there. he's made millions in talks stateside. round these parts his name is still a form of audible poison

there is a difference. we are aware of what Blair got (at your word), we are not aware of Obamas record. They can't be compared

Phatscotty wrote:

Baron Von PWN wrote:Probably, "How I will use my Islamic faith and Marxist ideology to destroy America"

I suppose it is possible. It was the same time he was seeking out Marxists...

Obama is not a Moslem. He is a Christian. And if he were a marxist, he's a pretty poor one for the way he has supported businesses. (not as much as Bush, perhaps, but he has hardly destroyed America... they have been doing that on their own for years).

Phatscotty wrote:Obama's records from college years remain sealed, including his Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago.

Well, since all of the records are off-limits, I suppose we have a green light to speculate?

#1 why are they sealed?
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EVERYBODY's college records are sealed at most colleges. (I won't say all, but most). You need a SS# and signature as a minimum to get any records from my colleges.

Phatscotty wrote: #2 what do you think his Columbia thesis was? Does anyone know?

Who cares? A college thesis is hardly a statement of one's life. It is a piece you do to graduate. Usually you tailor it to the professor, though most will infuse some of their own opinions as well. (the trick is to make your professor think their opinion matches yours, with only minor disagreements).

Phatscotty wrote:Obama is so smart, but I am not sure if he got an A in finance, or if he dropped out of it twice

Plenty of extremely intelligent and successful people have not done well in school. However, given that Obama got into law school, I would be willing to bet he has pretty close to a 4.0 (or the equivalent). In other words ALL A's!

khazalid wrote:blair got a 3rd, and y'all seem in no danger of losing the love there. he's made millions in talks stateside. round these parts his name is still a form of audible poison

Did you see his punchbag vomitmaking face across the papers today? Fucker apologises for banning foxhunting but not for the war in iraq.

As john Crace parodied: 'I feel every one of the bullets that killed our servicemen and women as if they were my own stigmata'.

As for Obama - it's the Glenn Beck school of political analysis! 'Unless Barack Hussein Inshallah Satan Obama COMES RIGHT OUT AND DENIES he spent his college years studying MARXISM and BOMBMAKING and getting OUT OF HIS HEAD on DRUGS and IMPREGNATING WHITE GIRLS then HOW CAN WE BE SURE HE DIDN'T????!1!!!ONE!1!ELEVENTY!!!!

PLAYER57832 wrote:In other words ALL A's!

I think you mean 'All praise be to ALL A!' lulz!

School records are protected from Freedom of Information records.

They are not public information, so I'm sure that's why we haven't seen them.

Of course, if Obama released his records, you same yahoos would be on here either saying "oh, that fucking Obama, he is trying to act like he is too smart for the average citizen" or you would be saying "lies. lies! he is from kenya and shouldn't be allowed to attend our universities or run for president. Where is his birth certificate!!!111!!!!"

Who fucking cares what grades he got? I'm sure he did fine and passed college.

Are you a birther PhatScotty? Do you think Obama actually is a citizen? You start the most inane threads, yet you also show intelligence in your posts. I'm confused. Are you just another psycho in this country that wants to start stupid rumors or do you have intelligent thought?

Oh, and George Bush? You are seriously lauding him for getting a C- in college? Seriously? Shit, I somehow pulled out a B average despite doing a lot of drugs and drinking large quantities of alcohol. Should I be lauded? Should I marry someone who killed someone while drunk driving and had my parents cover it up? Should I be President?

Phatscotty wrote:

Baron Von PWN wrote:Well the records are private documents and therefore shouldn't be the purview of the public. It's his business whether he wants people to know what grades he received. I find it curious that his published works would somehow be "sealed" how would this be done? How are they being sealed exactly?

oh, you don't get to become president without perfecting the art of scrubbing your past clean. I do not know how they are sealed. your statement that they were released publicly is an assumption. The furthest I got was obama does not have his papers, the college deleted, destroyed, or omitted his papers, and some professors who have been asked also say they do not have any of his works. There was a fake thesis floating around "aristocracy..." something...

however, I only want to see if he got a better GPA than Bush. We all ripped on Bush for barely passing college. We should get to rip on Obama as well(if he got shitty grades).

On a side note, how can anyone say "Obama is so smart, he is so brilliant..." but they have never seen any of his grades, his works, his thesis.....probably nothing. What do people base that on?

Well, first of all, I never saw Bush's Grades, but that did not mean I was not capable of gauging his intelligence.
Einstein did not do well in school or get good grades. He seemed pretty intelligent, if unorthodox, relatively speaking of course.
Grades are hardly ever the best gauge of a persons actual intelligence. Obamas grades, are just that. You'd be a fool to say he was intelligent if he got good grades, or not intelligent if he got bad grades. Grades, like the score in CC is almost always a matter of choice, and not ability per-se.

One can further guess at the intelligence of someone who does not understand such things. I certainly have.