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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby The ram on Sun May 13, 2018 9:38 am

Donelladan wrote:
The ram wrote:The present problem with what is called the " windrush generation" is at present all over the news. The BBC and ITN keep repeating that these people were invited to England. That's a lie!



Does is matter ?
Even if they weren't invited, you are speaking of people living in the UK since more than 50 years. After 50 years living in the country do you find it normal to kick them out for no reason ?

You claim they weren't "invited", why do you think they came to UK in the first place ? Better weather ?


I'm just proving that the mainstream media lies to fit their agenda. The British government granted free entry to all commonwealth citizens so no I don't want or expect them to be thrown out.

Earlier that same year was the creation of the welfare state and the NHS. Weather doesn't enter into it.
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby Donelladan on Sun May 13, 2018 12:02 pm

Ok, got your point The ram.
But so far, you've said it's a lie, but I didn't see you posting any compelling evidence in this thread.

I saw this link that you posed

The ram wrote:http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/clement-attlee-on-immigration-into.html?m=1

Decide for yourself if they were invited. I'll supply links to interviews with original windrush passengers if you want full clarification


From your link :
That tradition is not, in my view, to be lightly discarded, particularly at this time when we are importing foreign labour in large numbers.


Now I am not british, not familiar with the british history, but what does it mean " we are importing foreign labour", if not that they are asking people to come work in UK ? i.e. : inviting people to come to UK.
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby armati on Sun May 13, 2018 12:17 pm

Jewish Involvement in Shaping American Immigration Policy, 1881-1965: A Historical Review by Kevin MacDonald

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/Immigration.pdf

“”This paper discusses Jewish involvement in shaping United States immigration policy. In addition to a periodic interest in fostering the immigration of co-religionists as a result of anti-Semitic movements, Jews have an interest in opposing the establishment of ethnically and culturally homogeneous societies in which they reside as minorities. Jews have been at the forefront in supporting movements aimed at altering the ethnic status quo in the United States in favor of immigration of non-European peoples. These activities have involved leadership in Congress, organizing and funding anti-restrictionist groups composed of Jews and gentiles, and originating intellectual movements opposed to evolutionary and biological perspectives in the social sciences.”

Jews will frantically fight growing awareness of this fact because they know the backlash they will feel if the truth becomes known.
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby armati on Sun May 13, 2018 12:18 pm

Both Ds and Rs serve the Judeo-Masonic mafia, and it is indisputable that they want to overrun the US with immigrants from alien cultures.

Whites are already a minority in the under-age-5 cohort, so barring a significant change in direction, it is only a matter of time before will be a minority in the country they founded.

https://images.newrepublic.com/2ef66f28 ... pjpg&h=489

newrepublic.com/article/120370/five-graphics-show-why-post-white-america-already-here
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby armati on Sun May 13, 2018 12:18 pm

And of course, they’re doing the same to Europe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85BKDj_1vVU
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby armati on Sun May 13, 2018 12:25 pm

“The Jewish people, taken collectively, will be its own Messiah. His reign over the Universe will be obtained by the unification of the other human races, the suppression of frontiers, and the establishment of a “Universal Republic”. . . In this new organization of Humanity the sons of Israel …. will become without opposition the directing element everywhere; above all, they will succeed in forcing on the working-men masses, the stable control of certain among them. The Government of the nations forming the Universal Republic will all pass, without effort, into Israelite hands, by favor of the victory of the Proletariat. Individual ownership will then be suppressed by the governors of the Jewish race who will administer in all places the public wealth. Thus will be realized the promise of the Talmud that, when the Times of the Messiah has come, the Jews will hold under their keys the properties of all the peoples of the world.”
~Baruch Levy, Letter to Karl Marx, ‘La Revue de Paris’, p.574, June 1, 1928

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k1 ... angFR.zoom
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby Donelladan on Sun May 13, 2018 12:28 pm

armati, i am sure US immigration is really interesting. But here we are talking about UK immigration, and more specifically about the Windrush generation.
Just stay on topic or go post elsewhere please.
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby armati on Sun May 13, 2018 1:04 pm

sorry, thought you were talking about immigration and not just the British Caribbean people who went to the United Kingdom after World War II.
Just that immigration has been and is happening everywhere.
But, my bad.
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby Bernie Sanders on Sun May 13, 2018 1:17 pm

armati wrote:Both Ds and Rs serve the Judeo-Masonic mafia, and it is indisputable that they want to overrun the US with immigrants from alien cultures.

Whites are already a minority in the under-age-5 cohort, so barring a significant change in direction, it is only a matter of time before will be a minority in the country they founded.

https://images.newrepublic.com/2ef66f28 ... pjpg&h=489

newrepublic.com/article/120370/five-graphics-show-why-post-white-america-already-here


That would be wonderful armati! Just think about it for a moment.......you will be a minority and then you can cry discrimination and demand preferential hiring.
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby Donelladan on Sun May 13, 2018 1:43 pm

The ram wrote:You can go on YouTube and find some of the original people. You can also find the letter sent by 12 Labour MP's whilst empire windrush was still sailing towards Tilbury, and Attlee's response.


Another remark on the letter you posted. ( http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogs ... o.html?m=1 )
They are actually only discussing the situation of the 400-500 people that were on that Empire Windrush boat.
But your first post is about the generation windrush, which is about 500 000 people if I am not mistaken.

Might be totally true that the first few hundreds passengers of the Empire Windrush boat were not invited.
But it does not mean that the one coming after were not.


Also, in the letter you quoted we can read :

It is difficult to prophesy whether events will repeat themselves, but I think it will be shown that too much importance – too much publicity too – has been attached to the present argosy of Jamaicans. Exceptionally favourable shipping terms were available to them, and there was a large proportion of them who had money in their pockets from ex-service gratuities.


Which seems to match wikipedia :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_A ... eration.22
An advertisement had appeared in a Jamaican newspaper offering cheap transport on the ship for anybody who wanted to come and work in the United Kingdom.
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby Dukasaur on Sun May 13, 2018 2:39 pm

armati wrote:sorry, thought you were talking about immigration and not just the British Caribbean people who went to the United Kingdom after World War II.
Just that immigration has been and is happening everywhere.
But, my bad.


Immigration has been happening everywhere since the dawn of time. Homo sapiens is, by nature, a nomadic species.

The concept of the nation state is by far the most evil fraud ever perpetrated upon humanity.
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby The ram on Sun May 13, 2018 2:44 pm

Donelladan wrote:Ok, got your point The ram.
But so far, you've said it's a lie, but I didn't see you posting any compelling evidence in this thread.

I saw this link that you posed

The ram wrote:http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/clement-attlee-on-immigration-into.html?m=1

Decide for yourself if they were invited. I'll supply links to interviews with original windrush passengers if you want full clarification


From your link :
That tradition is not, in my view, to be lightly discarded, particularly at this time when we are importing foreign labour in large numbers.


Now I am not british, not familiar with the british history, but what does it mean " we are importing foreign labour", if not that they are asking people to come work in UK ? i.e. : inviting people to come to UK.


Mainly Polish ex servicemen and their families that didn't want to return to the new parts of the Soviet Union. Ex POW's. All European. This was the first ship from the West Indies.
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby The ram on Sun May 13, 2018 11:09 pm

Donelladan wrote:
The ram wrote:You can go on YouTube and find some of the original people. You can also find the letter sent by 12 Labour MP's whilst empire windrush was still sailing towards Tilbury, and Attlee's response.


Another remark on the letter you posted. ( http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogs ... o.html?m=1 )
They are actually only discussing the situation of the 400-500 people that were on that Empire Windrush boat.
But your first post is about the generation windrush, which is about 500 000 people if I am not mistaken.

Might be totally true that the first few hundreds passengers of the Empire Windrush boat were not invited.
But it does not mean that the one coming after were not.


Also, in the letter you quoted we can read :

It is difficult to prophesy whether events will repeat themselves, but I think it will be shown that too much importance – too much publicity too – has been attached to the present argosy of Jamaicans. Exceptionally favourable shipping terms were available to them, and there was a large proportion of them who had money in their pockets from ex-service gratuities.


Which seems to match wikipedia :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_A ... eration.22
An advertisement had appeared in a Jamaican newspaper offering cheap transport on the ship for anybody who wanted to come and work in the United Kingdom.


This was in 1948. There was no mention of inviting labour from the Caribbean at all from Attlee's government. So none were invited by the government before 1951. That's not to say private companies didn't invite them. Many more ships arrived in this period.

Yeah the advert in the local Kingston newspaper. Who did place that? The cabinet of the time contained many Fabians including Attlee himself.
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby The ram on Mon May 14, 2018 4:08 am

Dukasaur wrote:
armati wrote:sorry, thought you were talking about immigration and not just the British Caribbean people who went to the United Kingdom after World War II.
Just that immigration has been and is happening everywhere.
But, my bad.


Immigration has been happening everywhere since the dawn of time. Homo sapiens is, by nature, a nomadic species.

The concept of the nation state is by far the most evil fraud ever perpetrated upon humanity.


Firstly the human race is not nomadic unless conditions dictate they need to move. Ridiculous statement but not quite as ridiculous as what followed. You are either advocating small communities or anarchy. Which?
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby The ram on Mon May 14, 2018 11:56 am

Ok now we've established that the windrush generation were never invited and the political landscape has changed so much that socialist MP's of the time would now be condemned as Nazi.

I'm glad donelladen found the original advert in the Kingston crastor. The big question is who placed It?

Together we're going to find out what's been going on since the end of WW2 or possibly earlier. Coudenhove Kalergi was trying to form a pan European parliament since the 1920s.

Now after Labour won the election in 45 almost a third of all MP's were Fabian society members. The Fabian society main objective is a world government. Originally the Fabian society were against unskilled immigration as they were supposedly on the side of the working class. However, the Fabians do not want social cohesion and free thought. They want outright control of you and they'll make you think it's all in your best interests. Hence the original logo of a wolf in sheep's clothing. You can look at the Fabian window, it has George Bernhard Shaw, Sidney Webb and I've forgotten the third person hitting the world with hammers on an anvil to bend the world to their way. It's motto- mould it closer to the hearts desire, or something like that.

This next bit none of you will like but white flight had been happening in the U.S. for decades before WW2. Communities that whites built, cared about and had pride in suddenly saw the whites lose interest and want to relocate. Imagine if Hilter had a weapon that could have demoralised the British public to such an extent.

Now of course the Fabians knew this but how could they do it without upsetting the working class who was their biggest asset?
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby Dukasaur on Mon May 14, 2018 1:13 pm

The ram wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
armati wrote:sorry, thought you were talking about immigration and not just the British Caribbean people who went to the United Kingdom after World War II.
Just that immigration has been and is happening everywhere.
But, my bad.


Immigration has been happening everywhere since the dawn of time. Homo sapiens is, by nature, a nomadic species.

The concept of the nation state is by far the most evil fraud ever perpetrated upon humanity.


Firstly the human race is not nomadic unless conditions dictate they need to move. Ridiculous statement but not quite as ridiculous as what followed. You are either advocating small communities or anarchy. Which?

Conditions dictate they need to move on a regular basis. In prehistoric times, changes in the availability of game. Later, after the advent of agriculture, shifting rainfall patterns and river beds. Later yet, in industrial times, changes in the relative scarcity of different metal ores. Today, changes in the scarcity of various labour types. Tomorrow, perhaps, as scarcity vanishes, people will move out of simple whim and preference. The rationale may change with the economic climate, but people always have moved and always will move.

As for your second question, personally I prefer small communities. However, there's no reason why large cosmopolitan cities cannot exist independent of nation states. New York and London and Shanghai would function just fine if they were freed from the nations they are shackled to, just as Carthage and Syracuse and Athens and Babylon did in their times.
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby The ram on Tue May 15, 2018 6:51 am

You might think that my last post was pure speculation but look at this

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/educ ... migration/

Ness Edwards was a Fabian, a Labour MP, a conscientious objector during WW1 and a sly little man. Now can you see who might have placed the advert in the local Kingston newspaper?
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby Donelladan on Tue May 15, 2018 4:55 pm

Sorry, we couldn’t find that page

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Can't read your link


what is a Fabian ?
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby notyou2 on Tue May 15, 2018 5:46 pm

Pretty sure the Commonwealth is a myth made up by the media.

I allegedly live in the commonwealth, and I have yet to see any common wealth. If someone has it, they aren't sharing it with the commoners.

Very strange.
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby jonesthecurl on Tue May 15, 2018 6:42 pm

Donelladan wrote:Sorry, we couldn’t find that page

The page may have been moved, updated or deleted. We may have a missing page or an incorrect link. Please contact us to let us know so we can correct our mistake.


Can't read your link


what is a Fabian ?


A Fabian is someone who wants to achieve socialism without revolution or violence, gradually, winning one concession at a time. Not sure what Ram means by the term.
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby warmonger1981 on Tue May 15, 2018 8:31 pm

Fabian socialists motto is a wolf in sheep's clothing. I've seen a stained glass window with a man striking the world with an iron hammer. I think it was to represent the society breaking the world up and then recreating it under its own philosophy. It was created by George Bernard Shaw. You should check it out.
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Postby jonesthecurl on Tue May 15, 2018 8:48 pm

I once played GBS in a freeform game, studied him extensively. Interesting guy.
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby The ram on Fri May 18, 2018 1:02 am

jonesthecurl wrote:I once played GBS in a freeform game, studied him extensively. Interesting guy.


He supported Stalin, enough said about what the Fabian society strive for.

Link on other post is working now.
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby betiko on Fri May 18, 2018 9:44 am

The ram wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
armati wrote:sorry, thought you were talking about immigration and not just the British Caribbean people who went to the United Kingdom after World War II.
Just that immigration has been and is happening everywhere.
But, my bad.


Immigration has been happening everywhere since the dawn of time. Homo sapiens is, by nature, a nomadic species.

The concept of the nation state is by far the most evil fraud ever perpetrated upon humanity.


Firstly the human race is not nomadic unless conditions dictate they need to move. Ridiculous statement but not quite as ridiculous as what followed. You are either advocating small communities or anarchy. Which?


so if conditions dictate that you should move and you move.. you're not a nomad?
Can you give examples of nomads then?
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Re: Mainstream media news lies ( you can prove)

Postby The ram on Fri May 18, 2018 11:22 pm

betiko wrote:
The ram wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
armati wrote:sorry, thought you were talking about immigration and not just the British Caribbean people who went to the United Kingdom after World War II.
Just that immigration has been and is happening everywhere.
But, my bad.


Immigration has been happening everywhere since the dawn of time. Homo sapiens is, by nature, a nomadic species.

The concept of the nation state is by far the most evil fraud ever perpetrated upon humanity.


Firstly the human race is not nomadic unless conditions dictate they need to move. Ridiculous statement but not quite as ridiculous as what followed. You are either advocating small communities or anarchy. Which?


so if conditions dictate that you should move and you move.. you're not a nomad?
Can you give examples of nomads then?


I could be wrong but my interpretation of nomadic is to keep moving from place to place.
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