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Minimum score requirement

Postby ATLBravosfan on Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:38 pm

Concise description:
  • A new option when creating a game - you can set a minimum score requirement to join

Specifics/Details:
  • The concise description is pretty self-explanatory. When you decide to create a game, there will be an option to set a minimum score requirement. You can have no limit or you can set a limit if you wish.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • This will allow players with higher scores to play against opponents that they are more likely to want to play against. For example, we all know that there is an element of luck involved in this game - from the rolls to the initial deployment. I do not like playing against very low ranked players 1v1 because I stand to lose a lot of points and only gain a few. I don't mind playing with lower ranked players in a large player map if there are other high ranks in there because the potential for points to be gained outweighs the possibility of losing a lot of points.
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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby Silly Knig-it on Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:01 pm

ATLBravosfan wrote:
How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • This will allow players with higher scores to play against opponents that they are more likely to want to play against. For example, we all know that there is an element of luck involved in this game - from the rolls to the initial deployment. I do not like playing against very low ranked players 1v1 because I stand to lose a lot of points and only gain a few. I don't mind playing with lower ranked players in a large player map if there are other high ranks in there because the potential for points to be gained outweighs the possibility of losing a lot of points.


You need to explore other maps. You have a Brigadier rank but you are only 10 maps wide on experience. (I map ranked you and literally you are only 10 maps wide on maps that generate you points.) I fail to see how encouraging people to specialize on only a few maps helps the site at all. If this was something that went with a requirement that one has a gold cross map medal (5 unique wins on 100 maps), then I could see it. But otherwise it would just encourage people to play only a couple maps. It is bad enough that we end up with a Conqueror that is a specialist not infrequently. Perhaps grant this to someone who has at least 5000 games played. But I cannot see how it benefits the site as stated.
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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby riskllama on Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:36 pm

lol - savage burn, SKi... ;)
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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby iAmCaffeine on Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:20 pm

Silly Knig-it wrote:
ATLBravosfan wrote:
How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • This will allow players with higher scores to play against opponents that they are more likely to want to play against. For example, we all know that there is an element of luck involved in this game - from the rolls to the initial deployment. I do not like playing against very low ranked players 1v1 because I stand to lose a lot of points and only gain a few. I don't mind playing with lower ranked players in a large player map if there are other high ranks in there because the potential for points to be gained outweighs the possibility of losing a lot of points.


You need to explore other maps. You have a Brigadier rank but you are only 10 maps wide on experience. (I map ranked you and literally you are only 10 maps wide on maps that generate you points.) I fail to see how encouraging people to specialize on only a few maps helps the site at all. If this was something that went with a requirement that one has a gold cross map medal (5 unique wins on 100 maps), then I could see it. But otherwise it would just encourage people to play only a couple maps. It is bad enough that we end up with a Conqueror that is a specialist not infrequently. Perhaps grant this to someone who has at least 5000 games played. But I cannot see how it benefits the site as stated.

Why are you telling people how to play and enjoy their time?
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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby Silly Knig-it on Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:34 pm

iAmCaffeine wrote:
Silly Knig-it wrote:
ATLBravosfan wrote:
How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • This will allow players with higher scores to play against opponents that they are more likely to want to play against. For example, we all know that there is an element of luck involved in this game - from the rolls to the initial deployment. I do not like playing against very low ranked players 1v1 because I stand to lose a lot of points and only gain a few. I don't mind playing with lower ranked players in a large player map if there are other high ranks in there because the potential for points to be gained outweighs the possibility of losing a lot of points.


You need to explore other maps. You have a Brigadier rank but you are only 10 maps wide on experience. (I map ranked you and literally you are only 10 maps wide on maps that generate you points.) I fail to see how encouraging people to specialize on only a few maps helps the site at all. If this was something that went with a requirement that one has a gold cross map medal (5 unique wins on 100 maps), then I could see it. But otherwise it would just encourage people to play only a couple maps. It is bad enough that we end up with a Conqueror that is a specialist not infrequently. Perhaps grant this to someone who has at least 5000 games played. But I cannot see how it benefits the site as stated.

Why are you telling people how to play and enjoy their time?



Not telling people how to spend their time. I am commenting on the section of the post about how it would benefit the site. I have my opinion, and opinions, are like ... Everyone should have one. And I do and apparently some more to comment on my comments.
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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby iAmCaffeine on Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:40 pm

You literally told him to play other maps.
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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby Jdsizzleslice on Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:02 pm

ATLBravosfan wrote:Concise description:
  • A new option when creating a game - you can set a minimum score requirement to join

Specifics/Details:
  • The concise description is pretty self-explanatory. When you decide to create a game, there will be an option to set a minimum score requirement. You can have no limit or you can set a limit if you wish.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • This will allow players with higher scores to play against opponents that they are more likely to want to play against. For example, we all know that there is an element of luck involved in this game - from the rolls to the initial deployment. I do not like playing against very low ranked players 1v1 because I stand to lose a lot of points and only gain a few. I don't mind playing with lower ranked players in a large player map if there are other high ranks in there because the potential for points to be gained outweighs the possibility of losing a lot of points.

The main reason why I don't think this will get implemented is because there is an option to create private games.

In private games, you control who plays your games. I think this is the main idea of what you are trying to get across.

EDIT: I'm not trying to suggest that your idea is a bad idea, it's just that it has already been somewhat implemented in a different way.
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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby riskllama on Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:39 pm

it should also be pointed out that this sugg has been floated many times already and has yet to be implemented... :-^
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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby alfombra on Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:17 pm

not sure where to start to get with everything that i have read in this post

first of all i love the idea and i am experiencing it already on other risk site i play and its jsut awsome

it is much much diferent than opening a private game im not sure i need to explain this part lol

im a guy who loves variety i play whatever comes across and not stuck to few maps and still as he said its super annoying playing 1vs1 games for example loosing like 40 points and gaining 5 esp for speed games ( use to love play speed games but here on this site i avoid them now ) 40 to 5 jsut doesnt add up - even randomly opeing 6 7 8p esc games can be disasterous; and yes i think it will be an awosme think if there would eb anyway to beimplemeneted :p

why for me would be nice: - no need to constantly molest players with invites
- plus this way youll play more variety of diferetn palyers than you usualy do which i think its aplus aswell
- inviting you tend to get a group of players that you constantly invite getting new player or two every now and then
- 1vs1 speed games are a must to avoid if you want to keep your score not going kamikaze down over night
-multi players esc open games --->disaster games with usually aty least 1 newbie in it always(and this i do not talk about the clasic 12p games that i have seen has some standard already i talk randomly opening for 6 7 8p games that always joins a newbie or 2 or nr or 2 of them making jsut a luck game int he end of it with lots of nerves not to get pushed hihi )

PS: hihi i always have a hard time of trying to say what i really want :p but bottom line i do play risk on other site for at least 6 years and i am defiently not the only one who just loves a point limit game option xdxdxd
PSS: anyways i think you guys would love it if you would have it especially all the high ranking players and i have come across here with really many many good players xdxdxd
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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby xroads on Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:40 pm

Great idea that has been suggested many times.

Big What will never implement it
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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby Shannon Apple on Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:07 pm

I really don't think this will be implemented given that it's been brought up so many times, and in a way, I'm not sure that it should be an option available to freemium players. Sure, I'm freemium right now, but a feature like that should be premium only. It wouldn't necessarily benefit the site otherwise. There is the option currently for players to become premium and play private games. There is a callout section on the forums where you can set up passworded games for people who have 2000+ points, 2500+ points, 3000+ points and so on. You don't necessarily have to pester people with invites. There used to be a list for 2000+ players going around via mass PM that I used to get invited to. Perhaps it's time for a new list since a lot of those players are no longer around. (As a freemium, you can join some of those games.)

Also, premium players have the option to play polymorphic games. If you're a decent player, you'll seldom lose to low ranks on those settings because the luck factor is greatly reduced. Since you are playing with more than one colour, a dumb player going first can't spaz out on the map like in 1v1. lol.

I hate playing vs low ranks. Even if I won every single game, it's just not fun most of the time because there is no challenge in it. Not saying all low rank players are terrible. I've definitely come across a few that played well for their rank.

For players who enjoy the game and want to have some control over who they play with/against, premium is actually a really good option and at 30 dollars a year, it's not that much. Adding a feature like this would make it even more attractive imo.

I don't play speed games, not because of the point difference, but because there were a toxic group of people playing on my chosen settings at the time I gave it a try. More people were playing speeders back then, so the score thing wasn't as big a deal. I can absolutely see alfombra's point on this one though. There are not enough people playing speeders, and having a score limit would help immensely with attracting people to it.

Other games out there match people by rank and it works. I don't think people should be allowed to restrict it severely. Should be one option only (a box to tick) to restrict the games to 2 ranks above or below yours, or leave it open to all. That would leave it fair and open to a lot of players. It would be no fun if everyone was restricting games to their own ranks.
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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby alfombra on Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:36 am

thx shannon if i understood complelty ur message hihi xdxd

anyways only posting this since i complelty upset with last game i had

what i wanted to add is this

you do not agree with point limit i give you the next proposition

open let say ummmmm 8 players north america map escalating with chained and sunny with no invites open game; play it out and surely you will understand the happiness of point restrictions hihi xdxdxdxd
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Re: Minimum score requirement

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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby Shannon Apple on Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:31 pm

alfombra wrote:thx shannon if i understood complelty ur message hihi xdxd

anyways only posting this since i complelty upset with last game i had

what i wanted to add is this

you do not agree with point limit i give you the next proposition

open let say ummmmm 8 players north america map escalating with chained and sunny with no invites open game; play it out and surely you will understand the happiness of point restrictions hihi xdxdxdxd


Oh I didn't say that. You misunderstood me. I just don't agree with Colonels only playing with colonels or higher, or Majors only playing with majors or higher. That would be BS.

There should be just one level of restriction where you can choose to tick a box. For example: tick box to "Restrict 1 or 2 levels above and below my level" OR unticked for "no restriction (go wild)." You shouldn't be able to gain massive points by playing against players several levels above your rank, IF you don't want to play with people several levels below your rank. It has to go both ways.


EDIT: Fixed my god awful grammar. I wasn't drunk, I swear.
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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby alfombra on Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:37 am

you confusing me hehe

usually u always set the point limit below your points xd

anyways its fun having it i experienced it and people loved it not here unfortunately :p
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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby iAmCaffeine on Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:49 am

It's not fair to only have a downwards limit. So what Shannon is saying is that if you set your game to only allow players up to 500pts below you, then it should actually be 500pts across the board. To put it simply, if you have 2500pts and set a 500pt limit, only players between 2000 and 3000 points can join. Shannon is saying it's not fair to have a minimum requirement without a maximum. I fully agree with her and this is something that most people fail to consider (or choose not to) when talking about score requirements.

The only downside to that is people with a considerably higher score than you are less likely to join your games than people who are much lower.
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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby swimmerdude99 on Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:49 pm

Jdsizzleslice wrote:
ATLBravosfan wrote:Concise description:
  • A new option when creating a game - you can set a minimum score requirement to join

Specifics/Details:
  • The concise description is pretty self-explanatory. When you decide to create a game, there will be an option to set a minimum score requirement. You can have no limit or you can set a limit if you wish.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • This will allow players with higher scores to play against opponents that they are more likely to want to play against. For example, we all know that there is an element of luck involved in this game - from the rolls to the initial deployment. I do not like playing against very low ranked players 1v1 because I stand to lose a lot of points and only gain a few. I don't mind playing with lower ranked players in a large player map if there are other high ranks in there because the potential for points to be gained outweighs the possibility of losing a lot of points.

The main reason why I don't think this will get implemented is because there is an option to create private games.

In private games, you control who plays your games. I think this is the main idea of what you are trying to get across.

EDIT: I'm not trying to suggest that your idea is a bad idea, it's just that it has already been somewhat implemented in a different way.


I've heard this a couple times and to me it falls flat, if that was the purpose of private games and it covered the user case of our users, why would it be brought up so often? Note this isn't directed at you just at the general arguments against it. The arguments against it usually tend to kind of pivot around the fact that other things are in place, use them.

In the case of using private to achieve this. That has been done by some, and abused by others. 1) Its annoying to spam all people in the rank you want asking for someone to play you. 2) If this was a simple way to do it, I think a lot of people (including me) would do so.

The point of some games being chance driven: whether op plays 10 maps in the positive doesn't really apply here if he has played other maps. I remember map ranking myself, I was something like 5000+ positive at one point on antarctica and negative on the rest. Why? Because I enjoy playing 1v1 on somewhat standard maps. And we all know that winning a standard map doesn't give very wide ability to have high win ratios, so when you happen to get dice screwed against a cook, it takes as many as 3, 4 and sometimes 5 wins to compensate for that against somewhat competent opponents which makes dice luck an even larger factor.

I don't generally mind getting dice blasted in a 1v1 if the player is within 500 points or so, but when you get dice blasted by a private for 40+ points thats aggravating enough to stop playing 1v1 at all. (In fact I've abused this in the past by finding high rank players when I was in the 1200 area, just to quickly boost based on dice luck).

I think if you polled high rankers about 1v1, a good number of them would play if they didn't get point hammered just for trying to have some quick fun. A two rank limit or something as a checkbox seems to make sense. Heck it could even be an option in the section for making a game private. Private by password or by rank.

On the flipside, this would allow low ranking players to be exposed to higher complexity maps against a pool of players that are generally their own skill level and then they couldn't be point sniped as they try to learn City Mogul, Hive, Das Schloss, or any other general farming style map. And if people want the possibility of lower opponents or higher opponents they don't have to check it.

I've just really never understood how this detracts from the site.
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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby Donelladan on Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:58 pm

Agree with all said by swimmer here.

What about making 1vs1 point free game ? solve the problem beautifully for me.
Because score requirement means less activity ( especially speed game, already too few of them, and too many 1vs1).
To increase speed game activity i'd love to see 1vs1 being point free, 1vs1 is pure luck anyway it makes sense to remove them from scoreboard...
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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby iAmCaffeine on Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:07 pm

What about all the players who only play 1v1 games? They just don't get a score now?
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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby chapcrap on Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:54 pm

What if there were separate scoreboards for 1v1, multi player, and speed?
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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby Shannon Apple on Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:18 pm

iAmCaffeine wrote:It's not fair to only have a downwards limit. So what Shannon is saying is that if you set your game to only allow players up to 500pts below you, then it should actually be 500pts across the board. To put it simply, if you have 2500pts and set a 500pt limit, only players between 2000 and 3000 points can join. Shannon is saying it's not fair to have a minimum requirement without a maximum. I fully agree with her and this is something that most people fail to consider (or choose not to) when talking about score requirements.

The only downside to that is people with a considerably higher score than you are less likely to join your games than people who are much lower.

Thanks Caff. That's exactly what I was getting at. I kinda went wild with the lack of grammar. LOL.

As for the downside, isn't it a bit like that at present? No one above a certain rank really wants to join games started by low rankers, simply because the pay-off is dumb. Loose one game, you're going to have to win 5 or more to win back the points. I've always found the point loss for a 50% luck-based game kinda unfair. I do agree that the lower rank should get more points than the high rank, but with less of an incline. A cook getting 80 points simply for killing it on the dice, without any strategy, is ridiculous.

Restricting it both ways would prevent point inflation. If you've got 2000 points, why should you be allowed to restrict people who join your games to 2000 or above? You are guaranteed at that point not to lose to anyone lower than you, meaning that you can inflate your score without any risk at all. If a set restriction is enforced, (like your example using 500 points either side) you've got an equal chance of losing points.

Ideally, I would like to see them fix the point scale instead, to encourage more people to play for fun. But at this point, I don't think it will happen. It's been suggested to death. Although, maybe with the decline in players, management might be prepared to try it out.
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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby Donelladan on Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:33 pm

iAmCaffeine wrote:What about all the players who only play 1v1 games? They just don't get a score now?


If you only play 1vs1, do you even care about score ? :D

Never going to happen anyway. But it would be good imho.
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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby swimmerdude99 on Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:03 pm

+1 to it working both ways 500 +/- or whatever it is that you can set, ranks, points whatevs
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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby iAmCaffeine on Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:15 pm

Donelladan wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:What about all the players who only play 1v1 games? They just don't get a score now?


If you only play 1vs1, do you even care about score ? :D

I'm gonna assume I don't need to answer that.
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Re: Minimum score requirement

Postby betiko on Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:17 am

Just create private games or go on the callout section cotresponding to your rank. Or join other people s Games
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