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How random are the combat rolls? The rolls appear to favor the defender in most cases. An example is a game I am currently playing in which I have lost over 30 armies over the last 4 turns trying to take a single region. Throughout that time I have only inflicted ONE casualty on that defender. REALLY?!

I know it seems like I'm just a poor sport, but I am really trying to give this game/website a chance. It just gets frustrating when turn-after-turn I get nowhere because I can't seem to win any battles. Very frustrating?

There have been many threads about this, all conclude that the dice are random. They do get streaky sometimes, but they even out in the end. And the dice do favour the defender, if the dice are the same the defender wins.

skeletonboy wrote:There have been many threads about this, all conclude that the dice are random. They do get streaky sometimes, but they even out in the end. And the dice do favour the defender, if the dice are the same the defender wins.

The dice favor the attacker despite the fact that if the dice are equal the defender wins when the attacker rolls 3 dice and the defender rolls 2 or 1 dice/die and when the attacker rolls 2 dice and defender rolls 1 die. All other time's the dice are in defenders favor.

Better odds and losing ties aside, it seems unbalanced when I lose 7 armies to kill 3. I have noticed another anomoly: the defender gets a 6 on his first roll far more than the 1-in-6 times it should happen. I know I'm just beating a dead horse here, but I had to get this off my chest. I have lost three games in a row due to losing an excessive amount of armies in the first several turns just trying to take a single region.

Oh well, I'll keep trying.

If the defender is rolling 2 dice against your 3 it can be tough, they own the tie break
and it can certainly test your patience.

Another anomaly is that the defender's good luck always stands out bigger in a player's
memory than their own good fortunes with the attacking dice.

oVo wrote:Another anomaly is that the defender's good luck always stands out bigger in a player's
memory than their own good fortunes with the attacking dice.

You may have solved it there. I'll try to remember the "good" attacks a little more.

well, these dice just fucked me hard. i lost 100 points in 8 mins. with attacker dice in every game.

make that 130 points in 20 mins. i had attacker dice in all games....lost every fucking one of them.

and i have a fucking lag.

edit...150 points now...

phprogue wrote:How random are the combat rolls? The rolls appear to favor the defender in most cases. An example is a game I am currently playing in which I have lost over 30 armies over the last 4 turns trying to take a single region. Throughout that time I have only inflicted ONE casualty on that defender. REALLY?!

I know it seems like I'm just a poor sport, but I am really trying to give this game/website a chance. It just gets frustrating when turn-after-turn I get nowhere because I can't seem to win any battles. Very frustrating?

If you are losing that badly STOP AUTO ASSAULTING.

Was it KLOBBER who made a long long post about the dice proving the abscence/presence of true randomness in the dice?

JoshyBoy wrote:Was it KLOBBER who made a long long post about the dice proving the abscence/presence of true randomness in the dice?

There are some theory's...
The dice could impossible be random because it's trying to act random. If you try to act random you can't be 100% random because you try to deliver a certain patern (in this case a random patern).

If you have a computer dice that delivers 1-2-3-4-5-6-1-2-3-4-5-6-1-2-3 etc.etc. and you would analyze the times each numbers have been thrown than you'll get a perfect random score, though it's absolutly not random.

Though, I think the dice on CC are as random as they can be, but who knows..?

Just think of the dice as a pendulum. It may swing towards to the unlucky side, but it will always swing back. When you notice your dice are unlucky, play smart, don't make unnecessary risk.

of course they are random, or as close as it gets online. They do swing, and you live and let live. NEVER PLAY AGAINST SWORD OF THE JEDI.

JoshyBoy wrote:Was it KLOBBER who made a long long post about the dice proving the abscence/presence of true randomness in the dice?

Yes indeed, KLOBBER made many long posts about the dice. However, he only proved the absence of randomness in his own mind. In reality, he proved nothing.

Well these last couple days have shown me I don't much want to invest $25 in these "random" dice