Oceania [Quenched]

[iancanton]

in a 2-player game without coded starting positions, the chance of the first player starting with all 4 territories of kiribati is about 1.2%. for the other continents, such as new zealand, this reduces to less than 0.4%. with coded starting positions, the chance of player 1 starting with a bonus region is zero in games that have 2, 3 or 4 players and less than 0.2% for games with 5 or more players.

I will reset all the starting. the map return to classic style, since now!
A question for you, ian: How do you calculate this probabilty?

1/(3x3x3x3) = 1/81 = 1.2%.
1/(3x3x3x3x3) = 1/243 = 0.4%.
1/(5x5x5x5) = 1/625 = 0.2%.

are the two yellow bonus regions too similar in colour to each other?

really? i think it's clear the difference
I can't sure you i will change them, i like to know what graphic think about.

correct, i don't stamp graphics, so don't change the colours unless other people agree with me!

ian.

[Incandenza]

I'm with ian, with the bonus structure you have, it'll be so rare for someone to drop a bonus in a 1v1 that you're better off going with strictly classic-style gameplay. Looking good, can't wait to see the new update.

Also, for anyone with any further revisions/changes/suggestions, note that I will be stamping this for gameplay shortly, so speak now.

[The Neon Peon]

Why did you put an orange zone next to a light pink zone, next to a yellow zone?

The shades of the last two look almost identical. I would suggest making Polynesia a color that contrasts with the other two.

[thenobodies80]

Why did you put an orange zone next to a light pink zone, next to a yellow zone?

The shades of the last two look almost identical. I would suggest making Polynesia a color that contrasts with the other two.

Already said to the graphic, we will post a new version with last modifications requested.
But i have to say that we won't cheange colors, we try to do them only more clear to distinguish for now.

We promises to fix colors before we will have the graphic stamp.

[yeti_c]

Why is New Zealand named after cities in the areas - yet everywhere else is countires/counties...

Isn't there a better naming convention in NZ for this?

C.

[thenobodies80]

Why is New Zealand named after cities in the areas - yet everywhere else is countires/counties...

Isn't there a better naming convention in NZ for this?

C.

we supposed this could happen!
but we didn't find better names.
that's why we need more territories on NZ. (http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=70624&start=135#p1839489)
I think that all could work anyways.
But if someone has better names for these areas we will change them happily!

[yeti_c]

Northland = Auckland
Wellington

Canterbury = Christchurch
Southland = Dunedin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counties_in_New_Zealand/

C.

[thenobodies80]

Northland = Auckland
Wellington

Canterbury = Christchurch
Southland = Dunedin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counties_in_New_Zealand/

C.

Thank you very much ,all this changes in the next update ( in few hours )

great C.

[yeti_c]

Northland = Auckland
Wellington

Canterbury = Christchurch
Southland = Dunedin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counties_in_New_Zealand/

C.

Thank you very much ,all this changes in the next update ( in few hours )

great C.

They're still a bit contrived - but I thought that they were the best we could do... the fact that there is "northland" and "southland" is quite useful really... as they're also very descriptive.

C.

[thenobodies80]

This is the final version for gameplay stamp ( i hope ).

[bigimg]http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/1926/mappaoceaniabigversion5.jpg[/bigimg]

Requested
[spoiler=name change]

having mentioned kiribati, can u change kiribas to tarawa and rawaki to canton island? kiribas is not an island group: it is an english-language phonetic spelling of the way the natives pronounce the name of their country, kiribati. tarawa is the island group where the kiribati central government and only international airport are located. rawaki is an uninhabited island that is part of a marine reserve, while canton island actually has people who live there: it's the only island in that area with a native population!

Northland = Auckland
Wellington

Canterbury = Christchurch
Southland = Dunedin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counties_in_New_Zealand/

C.

[/spoiler]
Decision:

We changed all names as suggested

Requested
[spoiler=Change some routes]

i've had another look at the gameplay and think that polynesia is extremely difficult to win and hold. i suggest removing the air link between tokelau and rawaki, to make things fairer for someone who has more armies on the right-hand side of the map. also add an air route from western samoa to tonga to help polynesian fortification.

[/spoiler]
Decision:

We modified some routes but we decided to give only a +2 for kiribati because now it has 1 border less.

Requested
[spoiler=colors]

are the two yellow bonus regions too similar in colour to each other?

Why did you put an orange zone next to a light pink zone, next to a yellow zone?
The shades of the last two look almost identical. I would suggest making Polynesia a color that contrasts with the other two.

[/spoiler]
Decision:

Kiribati modified and changed it to dark green. Other colors fixing when we going to discuss graphic (after gameplay stamp ).
Pikkio don't like to change polynesia color and i approve his decision because pink and orange are far each others and we can distinguish them easily.


Waiting for Incandenza

[yeti_c]

The 2nd 'l' in wellington is 2 pixels over the first 'l's 1 pixel...

Can you make it consistent? (This is a scaling issue)

C.

[pikkio]

The 2nd 'l' in wellington is 2 pixels over the first 'l's 1 pixel...

Can you make it consistent? (This is a scaling issue)

C.

LOOOOL!! you're really a good observer!
i don't know why it happens.. obviusly all the letters in the name are at the same dimension.. but i increase by some decimals that word and the problem is solved. you can see it in the next update.

[yeti_c]

The 2nd 'l' in wellington is 2 pixels over the first 'l's 1 pixel...

Can you make it consistent? (This is a scaling issue)

C.

LOOOOL!! you're really a good observer!
i don't know why it happens.. obviusly all the letters in the name are at the same dimension.. but i increase by some decimals that word and the problem is solved. you can see it in the next update.

Yeah - it's because the word wants to be a certain size - but it struggles to increase slightly...

Technically the same is true of the two i's in Fiji - but it's less obvious because they're not next to each other - so it doesn't matter as much...

Because the two l's are next to each other it just jumped out.

C.

[reggie_mac]

Good work on the name changes for NZ, but the Chatham Islands, for consistency, are normally got to via Christchurch rather than Wellington, so moving the link down to where the Wellington / Canterbury link meets up on the south island.

On another note, the line going through the north island almost needs the left hand end to be moved up to at least half way through the east cape, where it is now makes Northland more what we would call Central Districts.

Also, there is some big blob island at the top of the North Island ... there is no island there, it needs to go.

Chatham islands are slightly off, the top island should be the big one, Chatham Island, and the bottom one the small one, Pitt Island. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatham_Islands

Thats about it...

[thenobodies80]

Good work on the name changes for NZ, but the Chatham Islands, for consistency, are normally got to via Christchurch rather than Wellington, so moving the link down to where the Wellington / Canterbury link meets up on the south island.

i see this...
we obviously modify this route and it don't change the gameplay

Also, there is some big blob island at the top of the North Island ... there is no island there, it needs to go. On another note, the line going through the north island almost needs the left hand end to be moved up to at least half way through the east cape, where it is now makes Northland more what we would call Central Districts.

we change them in the next update, like letters (Pikkio spoke about that). We hope to start the graphic process soon...

Chatham islands are slightly off, the top island should be the big one, Chatham Island, and the bottom one the small one, Pitt Island.

Sorry but we don't want to be so realistic!
And we refused in past something similar for graphic reasons (here)

thank you

[reggie_mac]

Chatham islands are slightly off, the top island should be the big one, Chatham Island, and the bottom one the small one, Pitt Island.

Sorry but we don't want to be so realistic!
And we refused in past something similar for graphic reasons (here)

thank you [/quote]

Not meaning to be realistic, but the way it is now its just plain wrong, even if you just did a vertical flip on them it would look better. Can't just o swapping islands around

[thenobodies80]

Not meaning to be realistic, but the way it is now its just plain wrong, even if you just did a vertical flip on them it would look better. Can't just o swapping islands around

ok i'll ask to graphic to see what he can do

[Qwert]

You need to put in tittle-Update 03-05-2009-page 1-?

[Qwert]

Graphicaly-these map is finish,from mine view.
I think that you have to much big army circles,try to create circle where will 2 digit nice fit(24px cirrcle)

[pikkio]

Graphicaly-these map is finish,from mine view.
I think that you have to much big army circles,try to create circle where will 2 digit nice fit(24px cirrcle)

actually the army circles are 22x22 px. you said that are too much big, and then tell me to make it 24px (more big than now). did i understand wrong?

i did all the other little changes suggested by reggie. let see in the next.

[Qwert]

sorry mine mistake,im using circles 20px,then good to 2 digit fit perfect.

[Incandenza]

I do have one small issue... there are quite a few dead ends, and while you guys portray them as a feature, not a mistake (i.e. making foggy games more interesting, tho potentially at the expense of escalating games), and that there's one in every continent... well, new zealand, australia, and east indonesia all have 2 dead end terits. I imagine this is intentional, I'm just wondering why those 3 bonuses have 2?

[thenobodies80]

I do have one small issue... there are quite a few dead ends, and while you guys portray them as a feature, not a mistake (i.e. making foggy games more interesting, tho potentially at the expense of escalating games), and that there's one in every continent... well, new zealand, australia, and east indonesia all have 2 dead end terits. I imagine this is intentional, I'm just wondering why those 3 bonuses have 2?

Yes, I intentionally want some dead ends for foggy,assassins and escalating games!.
At start there's only one dead end for continet.
Anyways they are the "results" of ian suggestions, if you look here and here.
And if you want my opinion i don't dislike them.
I think we could fix the indonesia, perhaps linking suwalesi to timor.
But about NZ and Aussie, i like very much the actual result so i don't like to change them because they don't create a unfair gameplay.

[Incandenza]

I do have one small issue... there are quite a few dead ends, and while you guys portray them as a feature, not a mistake (i.e. making foggy games more interesting, tho potentially at the expense of escalating games), and that there's one in every continent... well, new zealand, australia, and east indonesia all have 2 dead end terits. I imagine this is intentional, I'm just wondering why those 3 bonuses have 2?

Yes, I intentionally want some dead ends for foggy,assassins and escalating games!.
At start there's only one dead end for continet.
Anyways they are the "results" of ian suggestions, if you look here and here.
And if you want my opinion i don't dislike them.
I think we could fix the indonesia, perhaps linking suwalesi to timor.
But about NZ and Aussie, i like very much the actual result so i don't like to change them because they don't create a unfair gameplay.

It's just that there's ten dead end terits. That seems like a lot.

What would you think about connecting Chatham/Canterbury along with Sulawesi/Timor? That leaves 8 dead ends, and the only continent that's doubled up is aussie, the biggest and most accessible one.

[thenobodies80]

What would you think about connecting Chatham/Canterbury along with Sulawesi/Timor? That leaves 8 dead ends, and the only continent that's doubled up is aussie, the biggest and most accessible one.

OK! for me is good today i will link chatam to canterbury and suwalesi to timor.
This evevening ( in italy ) i will post the update.