[Official] Germany Revamp

[pepperonibread]

Hey guys. Finally got a new update here, it's been long enough :

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Large w/ #'s:


Ok, I basically redid the whole map from scratch, though it still looks pretty similar. Here's a list of all the changes:
-Shrunk map's width from 800 to 685 pixels.
-Made all the name/border changes needed to make the map more accurate (gameplay remains the same).
-Because of mibi's suggestion to reintroduce the German black, red, and gold, I recolored the continents as shown.
-Due to the color change, I replaced the legend with a mini-map, as some continents have similar colors. The continent names can still be seen around the map, as I thought they should still be viewable somewhere.
-Lowered the opacity or visibility of the coats of arms on the continents. This is still up for debate.
-With the island Rugen and the new river arrangement, I added some bridges.
-Names of countries in the dead land (Polen, Frankreich, Niederlande) crowded the map too much, so they were removed.
-All the borders are now more detailed, because I think it looks cooler.
-Some of the territory names were more tilted than they needed to be, I tried to lessen this in the new map.
-I made the background "pop" a little less.

To do:
-I'm not sure how much I like the new mini-map; I'd like some comments on this.
-I changed all the names to German and added umlauts, but I'm sure I missed at least one. Anyone see one I forgot?
-Do you guys like the bridges? Any comments on these are welcome.
-Any comments/suggestions on the continent names around the map?

[gimil]

Beautiful

Ill get a run down on this one probably tomorrow. It'll give me something to look forward to.

[ZeakCytho]

Excuse me while I drool for a little while.

I think the only thing I don't like are the mountains. I like the style, just, some of them are at really wacky angles. Mostly the ones with two peaks on the same "triangle." Also, the continent names being at crazy angles is a bit distracting. Is there any way to fit them in straight, or at less of an angle than...almost vertical, like Rheinhessen and Preussen are?

[edbeard]

any chance of you 'stealing' fudowhatever's concept of having the colours of the continents match the flag of the country? (mexico map).

what I mean is you have all the colours, but you have them somewhat randomly in there. Instead you could have black at the top two regions, red in the middle and yellow on the bottom

[pepperonibread]

Beautiful

Ill get a run down on this one probably tomorrow. It'll give me something to look forward to.

k, thanks gimil

Excuse me while I drool for a little while.

I think the only thing I don't like are the mountains. I like the style, just, some of them are at really wacky angles. Mostly the ones with two peaks on the same "triangle." Also, the continent names being at crazy angles is a bit distracting. Is there any way to fit them in straight, or at less of an angle than...almost vertical, like Rheinhessen and Preussen are?

For the mountains, would "dulling" down the peaks help at all? I personally like them, but I'll see what I can do.
As for the continent names, I'm a little confused about what you mean. Are you saying you like Preussen and Rheinhessen, or you don't like them?

any chance of you 'stealing' fudowhatever's concept of having the colours of the continents match the flag of the country? (mexico map).

what I mean is you have all the colours, but you have them somewhat randomly in there. Instead you could have black at the top two regions, red in the middle and yellow on the bottom

Sounds good. I'll try this out and see how it looks.

[ZeakCytho]

Excuse me while I drool for a little while.

I think the only thing I don't like are the mountains. I like the style, just, some of them are at really wacky angles. Mostly the ones with two peaks on the same "triangle." Also, the continent names being at crazy angles is a bit distracting. Is there any way to fit them in straight, or at less of an angle than...almost vertical, like Rheinhessen and Preussen are?

For the mountains, would "dulling" down the peaks help at all? I personally like them, but I'll see what I can do.
As for the continent names, I'm a little confused about what you mean. Are you saying you like Preussen and Rheinhessen, or you don't like them?

I don't like them. I'd prefer them to be more horizontal, if you have room to do that. Alternatively, you could make them smaller and put them in the minimap instead of on the big map. Or something like that.

[AndyDufresne]

I was just thinking about this earlier today...glad to see an update! I'll take a look soon.


--Andy

[cairnswk]

i'd like to see the map with a randomization of the 88 digit armies all over it as it would appear in the start of a game...not just the yellow....and the small version as i fear that some of those areas will be very difficult to read on the small version, with that font.
and i agree with the mountains...IMHO they look too "Andy Cap style" and i have to be questioning the "snow on matterhorns" appearance in the middle of Germany...down near Swisse and Austria I could understand....but middle Germany (and yes i know that it snows in Germany) wouldn't they be more like rolling large mountains/hills rather than "Matterhorn peaks"
also...is that the Danube in there...what about the Rhine?
EDIT**
Pepperonibread...i forgot to say before I had to rush out to town, that the map is looking very good...just those couple of things caught my eye, but if they're of no consequence then i understand.

[lord voldemort]

nice update...one thing i see strait up (thats not mentioned) the inlet river between Lubeck and Bremen is a lil hard to see i agree with wat cairns said about mountains..and the continent names thing that Zeak said..maybe smaller and added to mini map instead.
looks wicked though!!

[pepperonibread]

i'd like to see the map with a randomization of the 88 digit armies all over it as it would appear in the start of a game...not just the yellow....and the small version as i fear that some of those areas will be very difficult to read on the small version, with that font.
and i agree with the mountains...IMHO they look too "Andy Cap style" and i have to be questioning the "snow on matterhorns" appearance in the middle of Germany...down near Swisse and Austria I could understand....but middle Germany (and yes i know that it snows in Germany) wouldn't they be more like rolling large mountains/hills rather than "Matterhorn peaks"
also...is that the Danube in there...what about the Rhine?
EDIT**
Pepperonibread...i forgot to say before I had to rush out to town, that the map is looking very good...just those couple of things caught my eye, but if they're of no consequence then i understand.

Thanks cairns... I'll work on this stuff, my only concern is having different types of mountains, I think it might seem a bit inconsistent. But I'll dull them down a little and remove the snow, see how it looks

nice update...one thing i see strait up (thats not mentioned) the inlet river between Lubeck and Bremen is a lil hard to see i agree with wat cairns said about mountains..and the continent names thing that Zeak said..maybe smaller and added to mini map instead.
looks wicked though!!

Was that a deliberate pun with strait (as a strait is a thin body of water)? Anyway, I chuckled
But I'll try to thicken this a bit. I also might try to add an effect on the river like a glow or shadow.

[Kaplowitz]

I dont like that random flag on the left...i think it should be straight. It just looks awkward..

[Blitzaholic]

now I like this revamp of germany, its much better than the germany we have now

[iancanton]

amazingly, it appears that the long thin territories in norddeutschland are not too tight for the names to fit! nothing wrong with the bridges. good work on those and the colours too, although it does look odd that kiel and peninsular denmark are now an island. should we change the look of the canal between kiel and lübeck to make it much thinner and slightly different from the river, with a legend to say that rivers and the kiel canal are impassable (similar to the legend on the soviet union map)?

by the way, it's baden-württemberg, not baden-württemburg. can we also have mainz instead of pfalz, since every other mainland territory on the map is a city, whereas pfalz is a region?

ian.

[pepperonibread]

amazingly, it appears that the long thin territories in norddeutschland are not too tight for the names to fit! nothing wrong with the bridges. good work on those and the colours too, although it does look odd that kiel and peninsular denmark are now an island. should we change the look of the canal between kiel and lübeck to make it much thinner and slightly different from the river, with a legend to say that rivers and the kiel canal are impassable (similar to the legend on the soviet union map)?

by the way, it's baden-württemberg, not baden-württemburg. can we also have mainz instead of pfalz, since every other mainland territory on the map is a city, whereas pfalz is a region?

ian.

Yeah, I was surprised that all those territories fit too. I pushed the eastern border of norddeutschland over a few pixels to help it, but nothing major.
All your suggestions sound good, this weekend is basically free for me so I'll be working on everything mentioned.

[ZeakCytho]

You might want to consider redoing your sig...it doesn't do the graphical quality of this map justice!

[pepperonibread]

You might want to consider redoing your sig...it doesn't do the graphical quality of this map justice!

Yeah My sig is based on my first version, which is in the first post. I'll see what I can do with it after working on this update.

[mibi]

my only issue is I though the continent names were part of the outlying map or something. I figured it out quickly, but its still seems off on an otherwise lovely revamp.

[gimil]

Pep im assuming this is the large map your currently working on?

[pepperonibread]

Pep im assuming this is the large map your currently working on?

Yep.

[MeDeFe]

There are mountains north of Münster? I'll have to go check, I always thought this place was almost as flat as the Netherlands.

[pepperonibread]

There are mountains north of Münster? I'll have to go check, I always thought this place was almost as flat as the Netherlands.

Definitely not the alps, but I think this is good enough knowing we need to keep the map's gameplay the same.

And an update should come sometime this weekend guys.

[pepperonibread]

Alright guys, new update:





Changes:
-Most people didn't like the flag, so I replaced it with the german arms and motto.
-I kept the mini-map, but the continent names are now inside it instead of around the rest of the map. I think this is easier to understand, and a few people didn't like the previous arrangement anyway.
-The mountains are flattened a bit, to make them less pointy and at odd angles.
-On the right, I added a small legend showing the two kinds of impassables, rivers and mountains. A bit obvious, but someone suggested it and I think it fits the space nicely.
-Replaced the Pfalz territory with Mainz.
-I stretched the title slightly because there's more room now.
-The yellow army numbers have been replaced with all different colors, like cairns suggested.

To do:
-I'm still toying with the coat of arms, so comments on this would be good.
-Edbeard suggested making the continent colors' order match that of the german flag, similar to the mexico map (viewtopic.php?f=10&t=42232&st=0&sk=t&sd=a). I didn't get around to doing this, but expect something on it next update.
-Comments?

[edbeard]

all the changes are good

The only thing I was looking forward to seeing was the continent colour change though

[lanyards]

The motto is a little hard to read. I think I like it better with just the symbol without the motto overtop of it. The rest of the map is delicious.

--lanyards

[pepperonibread]

The motto is a little hard to read. I think I like it better with just the symbol without the motto overtop of it. The rest of the map is delicious.

--lanyards

Thanks lanyards I'll try and work with this.