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Which version is best?

Poll ended at Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:06 pm

Black 30%
202
6%
Black 40%
125
4%
Black 50%
142
4%
Black 60%
241
7%
No Shadows
644
19%
White 30%
877
26%
White 40%
456
14%
White 50%
202
6%
White 60%
421
13%
 
Total votes : 3310

Classic map touchup, take three! Live map updated!

Postby lackattack on Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:06 pm

**Update at bottom of post**

Reading all the feedback from the Tuesday's changes to the Classic, it's pretty clear that we screwed up. I expected the change would have been well received after the touchup spent over 2 months in the Map Foundry - but the Classic is so important that we should have publicized this beforehand on a much larger scale. Rest assured that we are listeningcarefully to what the community has to say. That's why we prepared this post and poll - to see what YOU want your Classic to look like!

The vast majority of complaints were made about the white army shadows. The army shadows were changed from black to white to make it easier to see armies when they are printed on a territory of the same colour (e.g. blue armies over Europe), and to help people with poor eyesight distinguish green from blue. However the white shadows seem to be annoyingly bright. So below are versions of Classic with various army shadows. Please pay attention to clarity and aesthetics and vote for the one you like best. All versions contain the less contoversial improvements of orange Oceania, coloured legend and non-overlapping territory labels. The priority is to focus on the shadows, we can work on the rest later :)

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Black 30%
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Black 40%
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Black 50%
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Black 60%
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No Shadows
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White 30%
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White 40%
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White 50%
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White 60%
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Update 1

lackattack wrote:I just want to make something clear - I personally commissioned the Classic touchup and it was not initiated by the Foundry. So please direct all criticisms about the decision to improve Classic on me and not the volunteers of the Foundry who provide us so many great maps to play on!

Here are the small versions with all army colours:

Black 30%
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Black 40%
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Black 50%
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Black 60%
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No Shadows
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White 30%
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White 40%
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White 50%
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White 60%
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Update 2

lackattack wrote:The people have chosen... and, as is the will of the masses, we will change the army shadows to White 30%. A runoff vote really isn't necessary considering that all white shadow votes add up to 57%. As Twill mentioned having an option for toggling the artwork is not on the table because it would put other much more interesting and important changes even further behind.

I think this is a Classic the vast majority of members will enjoy. We'll let the dust settle and see how it goes before considering further changes so we can make an informed tweak rather than an emotional one.

Thanks to everyone for voicing their opinion and participating in this important process! We will be sure to notify you of any future major changes long before they happen to avoid anything like this again.
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Re: Classic map touchup, take three!

Postby Twill on Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:11 pm

White 30

Easier to read, doesn't hide europe as much as black, higher contrast for people who had trouble with the blue/green thing before.

And it's not so bright :)
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Re: Classic map touchup, take three!

Postby PIBM on Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:15 pm

White 40 =]
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Re: Classic map touchup, take three!

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:15 pm

How much was the whiteness increased originally?
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Re: Classic map touchup, take three!

Postby Dancing Mustard on Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:15 pm

I concur with Twill: White 30 FTW
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Re: Classic map touchup, take three!

Postby idansimpson on Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:15 pm

I don't think I'm alone when I say this: The white dots do not look good. The black is much better form and functionality-wise. That... or no shadows.
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Re: Classic map touchup, take three!

Postby igozd on Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:17 pm

Do not get us wrong we appreciate the work and the improvments you guys make I love this place thanks for leasening to us.
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Re: Classic map touchup, take three!

Postby luckywar on Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:17 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:I concur with Twill: White 30 FTW


Thank you so much Lack, you're great.

Agree with Twill. Some maps look great without any shadow or with black, but the Classic map is so dark and regions of the territory are more detailed and shadowed compared to most maps that the 30 white helps make the number visible, just look at 14 on NW Territory to help you decide.
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Re: Classic map touchup, take three!

Postby idansimpson on Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:18 pm

igozd wrote:Do not get us wrong we appreciate the work and the improvments you guys make I love this place thanks for leasening to us.


Agreed! Thank you!
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Re: Classic map touchup, take three!

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:18 pm

Its hard to see the blue with black even with 30%
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Re: Classic map touchup, take three!

Postby Runnin125 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:19 pm

Are people actually taking the time to complain that there has been a tiny change to a map which makes it easier to read now? Wow.....you need a second job.
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Re: Classic map touchup, take three!

Postby Twill on Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:19 pm

The "original" update was to white 60.
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Re: Classic map touchup, take three!

Postby paratroopa on Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:21 pm

As someone who is partially colorblind i find that none of them help me with the problem of distinguishing colors. It seems its back to color codes until someone fixes the colors.
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Re: Classic map touchup, take three!

Postby PapalKings on Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:23 pm

I think this map needs to lose the Risk 2210 colour scheme in general, makes it look like shit.
Oh and if you can't see the blue with a black background, get a pair of glasses.
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Re: Classic map touchup, take three!

Postby Twill on Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:24 pm

paratroopa wrote:As someone who is partially colorblind i find that none of them help me with the problem of distinguishing colors. It seems its back to color codes until someone fixes the colors.


How do we help you read the colours better? And can it be done without causing a riot??

The whole reason for this change was to make the map more readable...
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