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Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby captainwalrus on Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:48 pm

I find that ideas which try to get off the ground without a map by being put in the Ideas and suggestions sub forum. Why is this. I find that it doesn't realy fufill it's pourpose of nurturing ideas in their infancy. I have no real ways to fix this problem though so I am just sort of pionting it out.
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby edbeard on Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:53 pm

it's fulfilling its role perfectly which is keeping a lot of crap out of the drafts forum. some of the crap falls through and some stuff in ideas isn't crap but any filtering system has its problems.

ideas flounder because they don't have the right person driving the wheel. 99% of the time you're not going to find someone else to do it for you.
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby captainwalrus on Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:00 pm

edbeard wrote:it's fulfilling its role perfectly which is keeping a lot of crap out of the drafts forum. some of the crap falls through and some stuff in ideas isn't crap but any filtering system has its problems.

ideas flounder because they don't have the right person driving the wheel. 99% of the time you're not going to find someone else to do it for you.


I dissagree. Most of the ideas in the ideas + suggestions forum never get off the ground because not many people ever go into the Ideas and Suggestions forum.
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby cairnswk on Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:20 pm

captainwalrus wrote:
edbeard wrote:it's fulfilling its role perfectly which is keeping a lot of crap out of the drafts forum. some of the crap falls through and some stuff in ideas isn't crap but any filtering system has its problems.

ideas flounder because they don't have the right person driving the wheel. 99% of the time you're not going to find someone else to do it for you.


I dissagree. Most of the ideas in the ideas + suggestions forum never get off the ground because not many people ever go into the Ideas and Suggestions forum.


captainwalrus, i am on this site every day, and constantly i see the Ideas Forum rolling over and changing subject.
I agree with edbeard on this one.
Most of the ideas are probably good, but are being posted by players who want certain maps (yesterday almost) without realising that a map's complete development cycle is upward of three months. They also have ideas but they don't have the patience, time or software skills to be them into place. A lot of ideas will probably never go anywhere anyway because there a copyright issues involved.

As edbeard stated a lot of these do fall through the cracks, but this also keeps them out of the Drafts section, and this is a far tidier option for the overall Foundry than what was in place a few months back in history. :)
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby The Neon Peon on Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:23 pm

edbeard is right on the money. Got everything down 100% correct. Nothing more to add. He said it all.
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby sailorseal on Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:05 pm

I agree all I have seen the ideas forum ever do is hide my maps that suck. :lol:
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:12 pm

Ideally the Ideas sub-forum wouldn't be as crazy and chaotic as it is, but we just don't have the wo/man power to improve its current state. Perhaps there are interested volunteers who'd like to help wrangle the mass-of-banana-peels that most often is the Idea Subforum? Hm? Anyone? Bueller?

Think of it this way, before this system we've had a number of other trials. At one, point, there was just one forum "the Map Foundry," where everything, discussion, early creation, random ideas, middle development, late development, etc, all took place in this one area. We opened up the Final Forge Sub-forum to give late development maps some more eyes, and we had our very first "Map Ideas Topic" -- a single topic for people to post random ideas in, essentially an abyss of thought. Eventually a Map Ideas and a Discussion subforum to further clear junk out of the main development Foundry. But even with that set up, early drafts of maps were being lost and drowned out, hence now the addition of a Drafting subforum. Short of adding additional idea-esque sub-forums, such as horrible ideas like "Good Ideas" and "Bad Ideas," I'm not sure there is much more we can do in system...unless more wo/man power became available.


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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby sailorseal on Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:13 pm

Perhaps there are interested volunteers who'd like to help wrangle the mass-of-banana-peels that most often is the Idea Subforum? Hm? Anyone? Bueller?


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Since I am no good at making maps themselves but like the foundry, I would volunteer
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby the.killing.44 on Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:15 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Ideally the Ideas sub-forum wouldn't be as crazy and chaotic as it is, but we just don't have the wo/man power to improve its current state. Perhaps there are interested volunteers who'd like to help wrangle the mass-of-banana-peels that most often is the Idea Subforum? Hm? Anyone? Bueller?

I would most definitely be interested … I'm always in the foundry.

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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby samuelc812 on Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:16 pm

Andy you know very well that there are many people who are ready and willing to help ;)
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby gimil on Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:37 pm

Well if you guys wanna post ideas on how to strealmine the ideas form then by all means suggest them. You never know you may get asked to impliment your idea ;)
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby the.killing.44 on Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:43 pm

Well I don't really know how this would coincide with the fact that the CAs are supposed to have the [brackets] reserved for stamps and such, but first off I'd suggest posters with a draft post [R] for rough draft before the title while posters who just have an idea just post a normal title.

Also, have a separate subforum to separate [Vacationed] maps from the others.
I can think of others, these are just quick ones. If someone's interested, talk to me goose ;)

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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby samuelc812 on Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:48 pm

Perhaps you could have a rule in there that if something isn't posted in an ideas thread for more than 5 days than the thread is locked and moved to the heap, as this would show there is no interest in the map idea... (a bit like the Cheating and Abuse Forum when reports don't get posted in for 5 days after they have been closed they are locked).

I also think we could do with A Sub-Forum for Vacationed Maps, This would not only clean up the Map/Ideas Forum but also create a place where vacationed maps can stay while they get a tan and sip martini's ;)
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby sailorseal on Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:58 pm

I would also have ideas that go five days with out posts would be moved to recycling and create a separate sub-forum for vacationed maps. I think there should also be a sub-forum for advanced ideas, ideas that people like that just haven't had a draft yet or have a early draft. I think people need to have tags in the title like, [Need Partner], [Need Mapmaker], [Need Approval] and [Creating Draft]
This way people who are looking to work on maps are directed easily and ideas can be turned into drafts. I think every thread in map ideas should have a auto created poll that goes for a week saying,
Should the idea move on?
Yes
No
Develop your concept

and the results help decide the idea's fate
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Re: Nothing ever gets accomplished in the Ideas sub-forum

Postby the.killing.44 on Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:05 pm

Another thing I would like to see happen is to differentiate between suggestions for gameplay, graphics, or a map itself. [Bracketed text] would help, but if that's not possible then (Parentheses) are always fine. Some examples from real threads:
[S]flash-animated replays?
[M]Croatian Map (or Balkan)
[R]Fast Tactics
S = general suggestion
M = map sugg
R = rough draft (not enough to go to Drafting Room)

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