Mad Men Mafia - Day 2 (6/9) Town Wins!

[Yomiel]

I've already said I won't claim. I have said too much already. There is no case on me, and anyone should be able to see how weird Campin and Neb are acting. We need to kill one of them.

[everywhere116]

*sigh*

Vote Yomiel

[Yomiel]

Don't sigh at me. If you're Town, then you should be able to see the issues with Neb and Campin's posts. There is NO case against me. Well, with that, I'm lynched, so good job screwing yourselves over.-.- I really was a Town power role. I thought the replacements would be a good thing, but the Town still isn't thinking and let themselves be blinded by Campin's lies WAY too easily.

[Yomiel]

Well, since I'm not officially dead, I'll remind you to vote Campin and Neb next turn. I could have taken care of them myself, but you killed me, so I can't use my power.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Well, since I'm not officially dead, I'll remind you to vote Campin and Neb next turn. I could have taken care of them myself, but you killed me, so I can't use my power.

Now you claim jailkeeper? Seriously...make a case, quit crying about bullying, and actually post a counter argument to what campin or I have posted.

[Yomiel]

And there it is again. I have spent this entire game pointing out that you cannot claim I'm Mafia based on the fact that I actively try to move things along, because I do it in EVERY game, and so far, I've been shown to be Town in two of them. Had I been shown to be Mafia in those two games, then you might have a case, but that was not what happened. You have nothing on me.

[Nebuchadnezer]

And there it is again. I have spent this entire game pointing out that you cannot claim I'm Mafia based on the fact that I actively try to move things along, because I do it in EVERY game, and so far, I've been shown to be Town in two of them. Had I been shown to be Mafia in those two games, then you might have a case, but that was not what happened. You have nothing on me.

lol...that is NOT what my case on you is...have you even read my points? Let me spell them out.

1. You stated D1 that you wanted to "guess" at who was scum. Essentially stating that random pressure (the guess) was okay in your eyes. The problem was, you didn't want "pressure", you just wanted to lynch someone. There is a difference. Pressure = claim = information = good for town. Lynch = quick and scummy.
2. When the "guess" turned to you (who cares what the motives are...random is random), you clammed up and wouldn't claim. Not claiming is an indication that you are scum. Not claiming provides no information to town, until you are dead and it's too late to save a possible townie.
3. You constantly refer to everyone voting you as mafia. Clearly an OMGUS statement. OMGUS is scummy.
4. Now, you play the apethetic role "oh, well, I'm dead, I guess town will lose now..." When you know dam well you didn't reach lynch. Another last ditch scummy tactic.

Those are my points. I could care less how you play in EVERY game. In fact, it's amazing you've done this so many times before, gotten killed for it, and STILL continue to act this way. It's the definition of stupid...doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Learn from your mistakes, don't repeat them.

I'll give you one last chance to actually respond to my points. I've laid them out quite clearly for you. Please respond just as clearly.

Thank you.

[Yomiel]

You're the one not reading my posts, because I have addressed EVERYTHING you've said, and you know that.

1. This is EXACTLY the one I've been addressing the whole game, which you even quoted. I come from a forum where Days are 24 hours and not drawn out. Thus, I will always try and move things along. That does not mean I'm all for killing just anyone. However, when it is Day 1, you are usually unlikely to have much to really go on.

2. There was no guess. Three of the people voting me made it clear they were only doing so out of dislike for me, adding on the rushing reason later. I have said here and in other games I will never recklessly claim so early in the game, especially with no real case against me. Claiming would hurt the Town fare more than not doing so, and you've already hurt the Town by making me say more than I should of.

3. This is an example of a flat-out lie, and I am beyond sick of people saying this. This is a very poor way of playing, Mafia or not. I have clearly NOT accused everyone of voting for me for being Mafia, and I have given actual reasons for everyone I have voted and suspected. Sam is a perfect example of this in this game.

4. At this point, there is no doubt I will die, especially with you around.

These are not my mistakes. If other players believe lies and bandwagon on weak or nonexistent cases, it is on them. It doesn't help that people like you and Campin sink so low as to try and discredit my opinion in this and future games by falsely claiming I target people just for voting me, when this is clearly not true. Ever since i mentioned the people at MafiaScum harassing me by doing this, the same group has been running around claiming it in every game.

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Everywhere, why are you fishing for a solid claim at this stage?
I believe knowing it is one of three possibilities was enough for today, as it would provide a WIFOM situation for the mafia tonight without revealing our hand.
that said, since it has been claimed, I think. Any counterclaim?

[Nebuchadnezer]

You're the one not reading my posts, because I have addressed EVERYTHING you've said, and you know that.

1. This is EXACTLY the one I've been addressing the whole game, which you even quoted. I come from a forum where Days are 24 hours and not drawn out. Thus, I will always try and move things along. That does not mean I'm all for killing just anyone. However, when it is Day 1, you are usually unlikely to have much to really go on.

2. There was no guess. Three of the people voting me made it clear they were only doing so out of dislike for me, adding on the rushing reason later. I have said here and in other games I will never recklessly claim so early in the game, especially with no real case against me. Claiming would hurt the Town fare more than not doing so, and you've already hurt the Town by making me say more than I should of.

3. This is an example of a flat-out lie, and I am beyond sick of people saying this. This is a very poor way of playing, Mafia or not. I have clearly NOT accused everyone of voting for me for being Mafia, and I have given actual reasons for everyone I have voted and suspected. Sam is a perfect example of this in this game.

4. At this point, there is no doubt I will die, especially with you around.

These are not my mistakes. If other players believe lies and bandwagon on weak or nonexistent cases, it is on them. It doesn't help that people like you and Campin sink so low as to try and discredit my opinion in this and future games by falsely claiming I target people just for voting me, when this is clearly not true. Ever since i mentioned the people at MafiaScum harassing me by doing this, the same group has been running around claiming it in every game.

That was perhaps the clearest post by you yet. Thank you. I will not hammer you.

[Campin_Killer]

Everywhere, why are you fishing for a solid claim at this stage?
I believe knowing it is one of three possibilities was enough for today, as it would provide a WIFOM situation for the mafia tonight without revealing our hand.
that said, since it has been claimed, I think. Any counterclaim?

Yep,

I'm the Jailkeeper, not Yomiel.

My name is Pete Cambell

[Count Belisle]

Vote count?

I just got home and I'm on page 24 catching up on the new postings. are you asking me to vote or the vote's currently being counted?

let me get caught up here and then I will post something.

[Campin_Killer]

Yomiel is at L-1 and fake-claimed Jailkeeper

[Yomiel]

I've posted ALL of that stuff before.-.-

And Campin just makes himself more suspicious. First, I never claimed any specific role. And second, doesn't anyone else think it's a LITTLE convenient that someone suggests I'm the Jailkeeper, and Campin suddenly claims that is his role? I'm already close to being lynched, so that would be a pretty stupid move, since it tells the Mafia he's a power role. I think he's Mafia more than ever.

[samgrossy]

Everywhere, why are you fishing for a solid claim at this stage?
I believe knowing it is one of three possibilities was enough for today, as it would provide a WIFOM situation for the mafia tonight without revealing our hand.
that said, since it has been claimed, I think. Any counterclaim?

Yep,

I'm the Jailkeeper, not Yomiel.

My name is Pete Cambell

This is a very interesting post. I think it was sarcasm, but hmmm...

[Campin_Killer]

No sarcasm I am serious. Yomiel You really just said I lied when I even gave you a name. It is called a counter claim

[Nebuchadnezer]

Well this worked out frickin' awesome. thank you Yomiel for NOT claiming. I should vote you just for effin' around so dam much instead of claiming. Althought, it's even more likely YOU are mafia now that you've drawn out another power role...ugh!

[thechuck51]

Vote Count 1.5

/ ( ) -
Campin Killer (1) - Yomiel
Count Belisle ( ) -
Jonty125 ( ) -
everywhere116 ( ) -
ShaggyDan (1) - /
Nebuchadnezer ( ) -
samgrossy ( ) -
yomiel (4) - Campin_Killer, samgrossy, ShaggyDan, everywhere116 ~ L-1 ~

Not Voting - Count Belisle, Jonty125, Nebuchadnezer

if there are any errors in the vote count let me know.

with 9 alive it takes a 5 to lynch. Deadline is July 26th @ 10pm EST

*** quick note: Vote counts will be done each evening around 10pm EST and I am putting links to each vote count in the OP.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Vote Count 1.5

/ ( ) -
Campin Killer (1) - Yomiel
Count Belisle ( ) -
Jonty125 ( ) -
everywhere116 ( ) -
ShaggyDan (1) - /
Nebuchadnezer ( ) -
samgrossy ( ) -
yomiel (4) - Campin_Killer, samgrossy, ShaggyDan, everywhere116 ~ L-1 ~

Not Voting - Count Belisle, Jonty125, Nebuchadnezer

if there are any errors in the vote count let me know.

Holy crap, Jonty is in this game?
with 9 alive it takes a 5 to lynch. Deadline is July 26th @ 10pm EST

*** quick note: Vote counts will be done each evening around 10pm EST and I am putting links to each vote count in the OP.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Vote Count 1.5

/ ( ) -
Campin Killer (1) - Yomiel
Count Belisle ( ) -
Jonty125 ( ) -
everywhere116 ( ) -
ShaggyDan (1) - /
Nebuchadnezer ( ) -
samgrossy ( ) -
yomiel (4) - Campin_Killer, samgrossy, ShaggyDan, everywhere116 ~ L-1 ~

Not Voting - Count Belisle, Jonty125, Nebuchadnezer

if there are any errors in the vote count let me know.


with 9 alive it takes a 5 to lynch. Deadline is July 26th @ 10pm EST

*** quick note: Vote counts will be done each evening around 10pm EST and I am putting links to each vote count in the OP.

EBWOP...

Holy crap, Jonty is in this game?

[Yomiel]

The Town has to be smarter than this. It's like Campin and Neb are just trolling us all. I never even claim, then Campin suddenly claims to have the same role as me, based solely on a role someone else thought I might have. This is just a little too convenient. When I point this out, Neb not only ignores it, but blindly believes Campin. Campin, meanwhile, acts as though the name he gave proves anything, when it does not. Come on, people! Vote Campin before it's too late! With so few players, you can't afford to make the mistake of killing me.

[everywhere116]

Unvote Vote Nebuchandezzar

This may be one of the quickest reversals of opinion I've ever had in a mafia game. Let us review the total clusterfu­ck that has happened in the last 10 hours.

Well, since I'm not officially dead, I'll remind you to vote Campin and Neb next turn. I could have taken care of them myself, but you killed me, so I can't use my power.

Now you claim jailkeeper? Seriously...make a case, quit crying about bullying, and actually post a counter argument to what campin or I have posted.

Who...what....where? How did Yomiel even hint at being a jailkeeper here? If anything, this would hint at being a vig, which we know isn't in the game. Not that Yomiel's post makes sense with any of the known power roles, but this isn't an jailkeeper softclaim.

that said, since it has been claimed, I think. Any counterclaim?

It wasn't claimed.

Everywhere, why are you fishing for a solid claim at this stage?
I believe knowing it is one of three possibilities was enough for today, as it would provide a WIFOM situation for the mafia tonight without revealing our hand.
that said, since it has been claimed, I think. Any counterclaim?

Yep,

I'm the Jailkeeper, not Yomiel.

My name is Pete Cambell

Yomiel never claimed jailkeeper, so I have absolutely no idea why you're doing this.

Well this worked out frickin' awesome. thank you Yomiel for NOT claiming. I should vote you just for effin' around so dam much instead of claiming. Althought, it's even more likely YOU are mafia now that you've drawn out another power role...ugh!

This is really what doesn't make sense. No, it is not Yomiel's fault that Campin claimed. If anything, it is YOUR fault for implanting the idea in people's heads that she did claim. And that's really what bothers me. Trying to blame her for something that was obviously your fault and disparaging her for it.




Unrelated question-answering:

Everywhere, why are you fishing for a solid claim at this stage?
I believe knowing it is one of three possibilities was enough for today, as it would provide a WIFOM situation for the mafia tonight without revealing our hand.

My opinion was that if she didn't actually claim then we have no idea whether or not she actually is a power role and not feigning a power role to avoid being lynched. If she claimed and was faking it, she risks being counterclaimed. If she says nothing other than hinting that she's power role, we can't disprove it, but she still gets off because she made us think that she's important. Kind of like claiming bomb. Not that it matters much to me anyway now.

[Yomiel]

Unvote: Campin
Vote: Neb

[Count Belisle]

Unvote Vote Nebuchandezzar

This may be one of the quickest reversals of opinion I've ever had in a mafia game. Let us review the total clusterfu­ck that has happened in the last 10 hours.

Well, since I'm not officially dead, I'll remind you to vote Campin and Neb next turn. I could have taken care of them myself, but you killed me, so I can't use my power.

Now you claim jailkeeper? Seriously...make a case, quit crying about bullying, and actually post a counter argument to what campin or I have posted.

Who...what....where? How did Yomiel even hint at being a jailkeeper here? If anything, this would hint at being a vig, which we know isn't in the game. Not that Yomiel's post makes sense with any of the known power roles, but this isn't an jailkeeper softclaim.

that said, since it has been claimed, I think. Any counterclaim?

It wasn't claimed.

Everywhere, why are you fishing for a solid claim at this stage?
I believe knowing it is one of three possibilities was enough for today, as it would provide a WIFOM situation for the mafia tonight without revealing our hand.
that said, since it has been claimed, I think. Any counterclaim?

Yep,

I'm the Jailkeeper, not Yomiel.

My name is Pete Cambell

Yomiel never claimed jailkeeper, so I have absolutely no idea why you're doing this.

Well this worked out frickin' awesome. thank you Yomiel for NOT claiming. I should vote you just for effin' around so dam much instead of claiming. Althought, it's even more likely YOU are mafia now that you've drawn out another power role...ugh!

This is really what doesn't make sense. No, it is not Yomiel's fault that Campin claimed. If anything, it is YOUR fault for implanting the idea in people's heads that she did claim. And that's really what bothers me. Trying to blame her for something that was obviously your fault and disparaging her for it.




Unrelated question-answering:

Everywhere, why are you fishing for a solid claim at this stage?
I believe knowing it is one of three possibilities was enough for today, as it would provide a WIFOM situation for the mafia tonight without revealing our hand.

My opinion was that if she didn't actually claim then we have no idea whether or not she actually is a power role and not feigning a power role to avoid being lynched. If she claimed and was faking it, she risks being counterclaimed. If she says nothing other than hinting that she's power role, we can't disprove it, but she still gets off because she made us think that she's important. Kind of like claiming bomb. Not that it matters much to me anyway now.

Everywhere is making a good point here. also I think Yom has stuck to her guns about not claiming which I think is her right but I believe that she is saying between the lines that she is town, all the more reason for neb push so hard. but I'm also a newbi, I might be totally wrong but right now my vote is......
VOTE Nebuchadnezer

[Campin_Killer]

You're kidding me...

Yomiel soft-claimed jailkeeper and we even had requests for a counter claim, which I gave. Yet instead of voting the lying scum, you vote Neb for whatever reason