Mad Men Mafia - Day 2 (6/9) Town Wins!

[Campin_Killer]

Either doc saved me, or last mafia is a noob. Not sure.

Jailed everywhere

EBWOP

[Campin_Killer]

Either doc saved me, or last mafia is a noob. Not sure.

Jailed everywhere, so he's clear.

EBWOP

EBWOP x2

[samgrossy]

So as far as I know, this may be a good summary of what I see:

There has only been one solid claim that I can see: Campin' claims Jailkeeper.
As far as I read, there wasn't even a soft claim, except by yomiel, who is now lynched.

As far as I read also, there is only one more scum, a role cop. And does it stand to reason that the other scum should be someone who voted for anyone other than yomiel or never voted to lynch? Those would be Count, Jonty and /. Or I guess this is a typical WIFOM scenario.

As a newbie, I am trying to use logic. Any input?

[Campin_Killer]

It could be, but it could also be that scum voted early to try and bus their partner.

However, with so many new players that may be unlikely.

Clear list: everywhere (I jailed him, so he couldn't of killed), and me

Cop (if there is one): If you have a guilty report, out it, if not, don't say anything.

Doc (if there is one): Don't claim

[Nebuchadnezer]

~ Dark Shadows

As they returned to the conference room, careful not to bump into the body dangling from the doorway, they noticed that somebody was missing. They all ran to his office and opened the door. At first they though he might be just sleeping on the couch but as they approached him the truth became evident. He had choked to death on two packs of Lucky Strike cigarettes that had been shoved down his throat.

Nebuchadnezer, Don Draper, VT has been killed.


They left him their to lie peacefully as they returned to the conference room, determined to catch the person responisble for killing their beloved creative director.

It is now Day 2. With 7 Alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline is Saturday August 4th @ 10pm EST

LOL...I'm not even mad at dying. I just love yesterday's lynch! That was too damn easy! I served my purpose as a sub...GO TOWN!

[everywhere116]

Either doc saved me, or last mafia is a noob. Not sure.

Well, the doc obviously didn't save you because you weren't targeted.

[ShaggyDan]

Well everywhere is definitely cleared, if campin is truthful then he couldn't of killed. If campin is lying then he is the remaining scum.

That said I think campin is telling the truth, despite him still being alive today.

I don't have any leads atm. I don't think the people pushing the Yomiel vote are cleared, it would have been an easy bus. But it is a good place to start and narrow it down. We still have two mislynches before 3 person lylo.

I am willing to follow everywhere's vote if he has strong feelings on a case.

[everywhere116]

I am willing to follow everywhere's vote if he has strong feelings on a case.

I would advise against that. Being cleared doesn't necessitate that my accusations are correct. Think for yourself, don't blindly follow me.

[samgrossy]

Well, this was no fun. I hope your proud of yourselves. There is one thing I have no respect for-poor players. You guys just copied the strategy that was used to bully me over on MafiaScum, and there is no honor in that. And now you mock me. You never had a case against me. You two hate me, so I'm not surprised you targeted me, but don't act like you actually built some brilliant case. And those of you who bandwagoned with them, I'm disappointed. Because they never built a case against me. You didn't care. You just ignored that. I'm not giving up, no matter how many games you two ruin for me. Campin makes up lies to accuse me of being Mafia in every game we're in together, so this is nothing new.

Just going back to get more info about who may be mafia. Thought this was an interesting post. Looks like all us poor players were right, regardless of the motivation.

[samgrossy]

Unvote Vote Nebuchandezzar

This may be one of the quickest reversals of opinion I've ever had in a mafia game. Let us review the total clusterfu­ck that has happened in the last 10 hours.

Well, since I'm not officially dead, I'll remind you to vote Campin and Neb next turn. I could have taken care of them myself, but you killed me, so I can't use my power.

Now you claim jailkeeper? Seriously...make a case, quit crying about bullying, and actually post a counter argument to what campin or I have posted.

Who...what....where? How did Yomiel even hint at being a jailkeeper here? If anything, this would hint at being a vig, which we know isn't in the game. Not that Yomiel's post makes sense with any of the known power roles, but this isn't an jailkeeper softclaim.

that said, since it has been claimed, I think. Any counterclaim?

It wasn't claimed.

Everywhere, why are you fishing for a solid claim at this stage?
I believe knowing it is one of three possibilities was enough for today, as it would provide a WIFOM situation for the mafia tonight without revealing our hand.
that said, since it has been claimed, I think. Any counterclaim?

Yep,

I'm the Jailkeeper, not Yomiel.

My name is Pete Cambell

Yomiel never claimed jailkeeper, so I have absolutely no idea why you're doing this.

Well this worked out frickin' awesome. thank you Yomiel for NOT claiming. I should vote you just for effin' around so dam much instead of claiming. Althought, it's even more likely YOU are mafia now that you've drawn out another power role...ugh!

This is really what doesn't make sense. No, it is not Yomiel's fault that Campin claimed. If anything, it is YOUR fault for implanting the idea in people's heads that she did claim. And that's really what bothers me. Trying to blame her for something that was obviously your fault and disparaging her for it.




Unrelated question-answering:

Everywhere, why are you fishing for a solid claim at this stage?
I believe knowing it is one of three possibilities was enough for today, as it would provide a WIFOM situation for the mafia tonight without revealing our hand.

My opinion was that if she didn't actually claim then we have no idea whether or not she actually is a power role and not feigning a power role to avoid being lynched. If she claimed and was faking it, she risks being counterclaimed. If she says nothing other than hinting that she's power role, we can't disprove it, but she still gets off because she made us think that she's important. Kind of like claiming bomb. Not that it matters much to me anyway now.

Everywhere is making a good point here. also I think Yom has stuck to her guns about not claiming which I think is her right but I believe that she is saying between the lines that she is town, all the more reason for neb push so hard. but I'm also a newbi, I might be totally wrong but right now my vote is......
VOTE Nebuchadnezer

So I went back and I was looking for a post that seemed out of place. This is the vote that seemed to fit the mold. Count is a newbie... right? And he kinda supported Yom and deflected the vote to another person. The original post if you want to see the context is on page 25.

So I'll start D2 voting VOTE COUNT

[samgrossy]

Okay, I think I'm jumping the gun here. Something doesn't seem right about a couple of things. The early morning air must have been messing with my brain.

I still think that Count is my front runner as the other scum, but for now I think I will

UNVOTE

I am not sure if Campin is telling the truth and I think that / has been a litle quiet. I am not sure what seems really scummy and what seems legit.

[Campin_Killer]

For me to claim jailkeeper Day 1 would be a ballsy move for mafia, when there is a 50/50 chance of there being a jailkeeper.

That said, our current clears are:

Me, everywhere

[samgrossy]

I wasn't skimming at all, yes you changed your vote but you were still doubting.the validity of campin's claim.

How does campin's claim not add up? If anything saying the claim is fake does not add up. I can't see mafia claiming a power role in an open set up as early as day one. Especially with jailkeeper, there are too many chances for it to go wrong on them. There already being a jailkeeper for starters. Also with the role of jailkeeper it is pretty easy to test their night actions if they happen to target another power role. Any other role would be easier to fake claim. He's not one hundred percent clear, but for day one I'm willing to buy it and re evaluate if things change down the track.

Occam's razor, the claim is believable. The suggestion that it isn't real is less believable.

I think this clears up the reasoning behind your claim.

*grumbles* stupid over thinking things on D2.

[thechuck51]

Vote Count 2.1

/ ( ) -
Campin Killer ( ) -
Count Belisle ( ) -
Jonty125 ( ) -
everywhere116 ( ) -
ShaggyDan ( ) -
samgrossy ( ) -

Not Voting - /, Campin Killer, Count Belisle, Jonty125, everywhere116, ShaggyDan, samgrossy

If there are any errors let me know.

Deadline is Saturday August 4th @ 10pm EST

[ShaggyDan]

vote count for the reasons above. Defending a now known to be scum for "sticking to her guns" looks to be blatant scum buddying. Plus this game seems to have stalled a little. We have mislynches to use yet and this seems like a good enough avenue to follow.

On an unrelated note, i've been thinking if the cop has an innocent.result that isn't everywhere or campin it might be an idea for them to come forward. Would give us four clears out of seven with 3 lynches meaning autowin? If their claim can be trusted I guess. Even still would give us one more clear.

[samgrossy]

I agree with dan. the game has stalled and I can't really come up with much more information that will take the guilt out of Count so
VOTE COUNT again...

[jonty125]

Back from holiday, don't have much time for a proper post. Will do tomorrow.

[everywhere116]

Well, Campin is at L-2. I haven't had time to look deeply into his case, but it looks good superficially. I will comment further later tonight. In the meantime, Campin, I suggest that you defend yourself and/or claim.

[Campin_Killer]

Well, Campin is at L-2. I haven't had time to look deeply into his case, but it looks good superficially. I will comment further later tonight. In the meantime, Campin, I suggest that you defend yourself and/or claim.

Uh...

I hope you mean Count

[everywhere116]

Well, Campin is at L-2. I haven't had time to look deeply into his case, but it looks good superficially. I will comment further later tonight. In the meantime, Campin, I suggest that you defend yourself and/or claim.

Uh...

I hope you mean Count

Oh. Yes, of course. Too many people with 'c' names.

[thechuck51]

Vote Count 2.2

/ ( ) -
Campin Killer ( ) -
Count Belisle (2 ) - ShaggyDan, samgrossy
Jonty125 ( ) -
everywhere116 ( ) -
ShaggyDan ( ) -
samgrossy ( ) -

Not Voting - /, Campin Killer, Count Belisle, Jonty125, everywhere116

If there are any errors let me know.

Deadline is Saturday August 4th @ 10pm EST

[ShaggyDan]

Can we get a prod on count? I know it's only been 6 days since they've posted but if they end up claiming or defending to the point we need to find a new candidate there's only 5 days till deadline.

[jonty125]

So I'll start D2 voting VOTE COUNT

vote count

This is getting confusing, I thought you two were requesting VC's not, voting a player called count.

Anyhow, my case is as follows

Well everywhere is definitely cleared, if campin is truthful then he couldn't of killed. If campin is lying then he is the remaining scum.

That said I think campin is telling the truth, despite him still being alive today.

I don't have any leads atm. I don't think the people pushing the Yomiel vote are cleared, it would have been an easy bus. But it is a good place to start and narrow it down. We still have two mislynches before 3 person lylo.

I am willing to follow everywhere's vote if he has strong feelings on a case.

You're following someone because they're cleared, you know that saf tried to lynch me because a lynched townie had a case on me. Guess what, he was scum. And like everywhere said you can't trust him because he's "cleared". This is the main reasoning.

And this is bandwaggoning at near its' worst.

vote count for the reasons above. .

So all in all, Vote Shaggy

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As with yesterday, I am still somewhat suspect of shaggy for vote hopping, a case which I don't believe he ever replied to.
BTW, this is sort of meta, but is it likely sam/vode cannot possibly be scum? After all vode asked to replace back into the game, which while a bit ignorant an action in itself, I doubt any but the newest of players would possibly suggest as a scum role.

[ShaggyDan]

Vote hopping? I thought my only votes for the day were count and then to yomiel? I may be wrong though, I honestly can't remember and I can't really skim through pages on a smart phone easily. I'm happy to respond if you quote the posts in question.

@Jonty: to your point about following the clear, I guess I have been playing too much epicmafia lately... It's a standard thing there where as with forum mafia not so common I guess. The main reasoning is that if I don't feel strongly on a case I kniw the opinion of the cleared's is town based. So I would not be influenced by scum.

And what are you talking about with the saf point.. Are you referring to a different game because I honestly have no.clue what you meant :S.