The Village of Secrets [GAME OVER] Werewolves Win!

[Whatsausage]

ummm... oops
Sorry about triple posting that, my internet was lagging the whole time I typed it, so I must've clicked post more than once

[rishaed]

So I gave you guys 3 page break of me speaking my mind. Still seems we've made little to no progress.

I am gonna go ahead and FOS rishaed.

X-Stor-X is right, you're not giving your own reads on people and presenting your own ideas, just sheeping everyone and basically saying you can't make up your mind.

If everyone in the game begins claiming Vig and VT, your little work would do us no good later on.

Since when am I not presenting my own ideas. I have emphatically stated that lynching a claimed vig on D1, is not exactly a good idea, A. if hes lying then hes prolly gonna get investigated, and the only save he might have is if hes investigation immune.
B. I was among the first to vote No Lynch, at which time I stated my reasons for doing so.
C. If there are multiple Mafia factions, he's still painting a bullseye on the back of his head.
D.Another possibility is that hes an SK, with investigation immunity.
E. IF that is true, then he still has painted a target on himself by claiming a vig/killing role.
F. I have multiply stated that vigs are one of towns best assets.
G. If hes fakeclaiming a vig role, and there is another vig out there, hes a dead man tonight anyways.
H. I have made up my mind, and put my vote behind it as well. And I am hardly going to believe every VT role that comes across, don't take me for an idiot.
Information is power, and right now I have precious little information to go off of.
Also sure Jonty may not be playing according to META, but that hold precious little water by me right now. Hes experienced enough to know that he will be caught if he is lying, and attracting huge amounts of attention is the last thing that he would need.
And as much as X-Stors reasons are good, I am not lynching a claimed Vig on D1, and you are right about the fact that I still haven't made up my mind on whether or not Nark deserves any credibility on his claim. You want me to change my mind, you need to present a better option to me today. I've reread 3-4 times already over the past few days. Also I do think that Jonty's second point on you in his initial case still holds merit. I call BS on the sheeping statement as well. All statements are statements made of my own opinions, and sorry if I like to keep some of my reads to myself. I express myself through my vote.
fp'd

[StorrZerg]

rishaed it doesn't really matter what option it is.

it is a killing power
it is not investigative
it is not protective.

what matters more is the perception on what you think ABOUT jonty.
If you are claiming that the power possibility matters more regardless what jonty has said done all game state that.

Since you seem firm on not going in Jonty direction (which can be fine i just want you to explain the 2 points above)
YOU need to present an option. YOu need to take a stance. It is very easy for mafia to "white knight day 1" and defend all possible lynches. resulting in going into the night BLIND.
Mafia know who town are, they have an easier time finding the "towness in people" they have a harder time pushing lynches on people they know ARE clean.

Also regarding a "better case" If another fking person says they are holding out for a better case... GUESS WHAT GUYS THERE PROBABLY WON"T BE ONE UNLESS YOU DO SOMETHING.
I'm getting tired of that cop out reply to not putting effort and reading people..

[StorrZerg]

Whatsausage you are wrong btw. 2/3 hurt town. He could be as he says TOWN. (could be helpful)

3rd party sk, NOT HELPFUL (which i doubt he was to willing to claim, i think sk would be more quiet)
and mafia no matter "mafia role" not helpful.

[Whatsausage]

Whatsausage you are wrong btw. 2/3 hurt town. He could be as he says TOWN. (could be helpful)

3rd party sk, NOT HELPFUL (which i doubt he was to willing to claim, i think sk would be more quiet)
and mafia no matter "mafia role" not helpful.

I was really just referring to this first night. Even if he is not allied with town and is a killing role, it is unlikely that he kills tonight after saying that he wouldn't, too many ways to get caught in that. So if that is the case, it helps the town in that there is one less night kill Night 1. Night kills can be useful for gaining information, but it is also very likely town that would be killed, unless we have multiple factions against us that figure out how to beat up on each other. So I plan on not lynching jonty today, because I think his being alive is more likely to help the town than it is to hurt it.

[Roger Dodger]

Do I have 8 yet or am I at 7. Getting close boys.

[Whatsausage]

You only have 5 on you roger. I accidentally had a triple post, so that is only one vote on you. Puts you at L-3 now or L-1 in three days

[StorrZerg]

Whatsausage you are wrong btw. 2/3 hurt town. He could be as he says TOWN. (could be helpful)

3rd party sk, NOT HELPFUL (which i doubt he was to willing to claim, i think sk would be more quiet)
and mafia no matter "mafia role" not helpful.

I was really just referring to this first night. Even if he is not allied with town and is a killing role, it is unlikely that he kills tonight after saying that he wouldn't, too many ways to get caught in that. So if that is the case, it helps the town in that there is one less night kill Night 1. Night kills can be useful for gaining information, but it is also very likely town that would be killed, unless we have multiple factions against us that figure out how to beat up on each other. So I plan on not lynching jonty today, because I think his being alive is more likely to help the town than it is to hurt it.

You really are not giving any reasons on jonty's character being town. (ignore the claim) Obviously right now jonty is going to say what he must to not be lynched regarding what he will do with his night action... so i wouldn't be jumping to the oo he must be town since he said he was gonna do something!

Also why would mafia target him for anything? There are probably investigative or protective roles in this game. he has 0 chance of dieing...
Jonty isn't being a strong "townie" player today. (obvious since he is up for lynch) So another reason against him to die.
Actually what jonty will do is draw town roles onto him. If he is mafia, its planned and we learn nothing. If its protective then we waste protection. If he is town, then might learn if he is town, but there will always be doubt because of the day 1 play. And if town protective goes to him, another waste. (because mafia has literally no reason to shoot / or anything on him)

I generally don't like talking about possible night actions, but i feel this is quite obvious, and some people are missing it.

[Whatsausage]

Whatsausage you are wrong btw. 2/3 hurt town. He could be as he says TOWN. (could be helpful)

3rd party sk, NOT HELPFUL (which i doubt he was to willing to claim, i think sk would be more quiet)
and mafia no matter "mafia role" not helpful.

I was really just referring to this first night. Even if he is not allied with town and is a killing role, it is unlikely that he kills tonight after saying that he wouldn't, too many ways to get caught in that. So if that is the case, it helps the town in that there is one less night kill Night 1. Night kills can be useful for gaining information, but it is also very likely town that would be killed, unless we have multiple factions against us that figure out how to beat up on each other. So I plan on not lynching jonty today, because I think his being alive is more likely to help the town than it is to hurt it.

You really are not giving any reasons on jonty's character being town. (ignore the claim) Obviously right now jonty is going to say what he must to not be lynched regarding what he will do with his night action... so i wouldn't be jumping to the oo he must be town since he said he was gonna do something!

Also why would mafia target him for anything? There are probably investigative or protective roles in this game. he has 0 chance of dieing...
Jonty isn't being a strong "townie" player today. (obvious since he is up for lynch) So another reason against him to die.
Actually what jonty will do is draw town roles onto him. If he is mafia, its planned and we learn nothing. If its protective then we waste protection. If he is town, then might learn if he is town, but there will always be doubt because of the day 1 play. And if town protective goes to him, another waste. (because mafia has literally no reason to shoot / or anything on him)

I generally don't like talking about possible night actions, but i feel this is quite obvious, and some people are missing it.

You are putting words in my mouth
I don't recall ever making the case that he was town. And of course he will say anything to get his neck off of the line. Jonty didn't say he was going to do something, he actually said he wasn't going to do anything. It is hard to truly predict and talk about night actions, but I find it unlikely that any protective roles would guard him (Why guard someone we don't trust?), so any mafia would likely have him as an easy target. You never actually said investigative roles, but I think you meant it in there. The investigative roles would likely check him out. If he is town then any cop would learn that, if he holds to not killing tonight (as can be checked by a watcher) then that is one less kill from scum if he is so aligned. Unless there is just one scum faction that has jonty in it, then mafia would have every reason to target him. If he is not with them, then he is either telling the truth or with another group, hence he is a threat unless he is lying and is some other sort of townsmember (doubtful). So I would say his chance of dying is much greater than 0%. I am not saying that jonty must be town; I just believe that after weighing the risk/reward of keeping him this night vs lynching RD, I choose the latter. RD hasn't been contributing to the town today any more than Jonty has

[spiesr]

Roger Dodger, you currently have 5 votes which is the most anyone has at the moment, would you please consider claiming sooner rather then later? The way things are going right now you are almost assured of achieving the votes needed to be lynched. At this point I don't think there is anything you can say in your defence short of a claim that would turn us away from this course. (Although if your last post is any indication you aren't trying at all either.) As things stand I think that I would prefer a Lynch on Jonty to end the day. However the only way I can justify lynching him over you right now is for you to make a claim and commit to actually playing again.

[HotShot53]

Do I have 8 yet or am I at 7. Getting close boys.

Are you giving up or something? Unless you are scum without a legitimate claim... all you have to do is claim and you can be as safe as nark and probably safer than jonty. Speaking of which, I don't think jonty is worthy of lynching now... his claim is reasonable and a vig can be helpful in a few days once you have better ideas who is scum or not, especially with an experienced person using it.

I would start a case on some scummarizer who hasn't been around in a while... but I will wait until RD claims to see if a new case is needed or not.

[Roger Dodger]

Fine. I am just a plain town person. I love my hood. I'm one of those old ladies that peeks thru the shades and then call for help. I've been living here for a long long long time. I am suspicious of all strangers. And anyone who kills for fun.

[MudPuppy]

Wow! Another L-3 claim. Crazy game here.

While Roger Dodger has made some posts that could be interpreted scummish, she also has some unpolished remarks that makes her an easy target to be MADE to appear scummish. The first person to point her out was IB who has been flying a bit under the radar this game. He's made a fair number of posts but not a whole lot of substance. I find his semi-scummarining and opportunistic case against Roger Dodger to be suspicious.

Unvote Vote Iron Butterfly

[superkeener]

Official Vote Count 1.7

Anarkistsdream (0):
HotShot53 (1): spiesr
Iron Butterfly (1): MudPuppy
jak111 (0):
Jmac1026 (0):
jonty125 (4): X-Stor-X, Roger Dodger, Anarkistsdream, Lootifer
kgb007 (0):
Lootifer (0):
MudPuppy (1): virus90
rishaed (0):
Roger Dodger (5): Iron Butterfly, Jmac1026, jonty125, jak111, Whatsausage
spiesr (0):
virus90 (0):
Whatsausage (0):
X-Stor-X (0):

No Lynch (2): rishaed, kgb007

Not Voting: HotShot53

With 15 alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch. If 8 votes are not reached by the deadline, then the first player with 6+ votes will be lynched.

Deadline for Day 1 is: Thursday, April 03, 2014, 10:00am CC Time.

[Roger Dodger]

Last post for today. I just want to say that, jonty was pushing me for a while now then he got others to join him in trying to get me lynched. I'm just here mending my own business. I still think he is not a good guy and , he has started a lynching party. Seems he has all his focus on me and convinced others to follow. That is just plain bad behavior.

[Iron Butterfly]

Wow! Another L-3 claim. Crazy game here.

While Roger Dodger has made some posts that could be interpreted scummish, she also has some unpolished remarks that makes her an easy target to be MADE to appear scummish. The first person to point her out was IB who has been flying a bit under the radar this game. He's made a fair number of posts but not a whole lot of substance. I find his semi-scummarining and opportunistic case against Roger Dodger to be suspicious.

Unvote Vote Iron Butterfly

LOL the joys of insomnia.

New or not if she is mafia she is mafia. I simply pointed out her scum tell and she was given ample time to explain her reasoning, which she still has not.

When I have something to say i say it. I have not been shy about my points of view or where I stand. Speaking of which is there a particular reason you did not comment on Roger Dodgers claim? Did you believe her? I realize you are new as well. Does that make me scummy for pointing out that you deflect attention from Roger Dodgers claim to focus on me? You accuse me of "semi" scummarinning, whatever that is and yet from page 10 to now I have a post count of 7 to your 2. I could go back farther but you get the point. I find your timing extremely odd.

[rishaed]

rishaed it doesn't really matter what option it is.

it is a killing power
it is not investigative
it is not protective.

what matters more is the perception on what you think ABOUT jonty.
If you are claiming that the power possibility matters more regardless what jonty has said done all game state that.

Since you seem firm on not going in Jonty direction (which can be fine i just want you to explain the 2 points above)
YOU need to present an option. YOu need to take a stance. It is very easy for mafia to "white knight day 1" and defend all possible lynches. resulting in going into the night BLIND.
Mafia know who town are, they have an easier time finding the "towness in people" they have a harder time pushing lynches on people they know ARE clean.

Also regarding a "better case" If another fking person says they are holding out for a better case... GUESS WHAT GUYS THERE PROBABLY WON"T BE ONE UNLESS YOU DO SOMETHING.
I'm getting tired of that cop out reply to not putting effort and reading people..

Ok Im assuming the two points are the the points about it being a killing role which I think I've already addressed in my last post.
Also yes, I'm taking a risk/reward stance on Jonty, but also because I have more of a townish feel on him currently. Also if there are multiple factions, there is no way to know if anyone is clean besides myself in this game. I don't have enough of a strong scum feel on Jonty to actually want to lynch him since he claimed vig. And since when have i not taken a stance. I have been very clear on my stance of NL today. Sure its a toss-up. And with two VT claims on the table, actually testing one of them through a lynch might not be the worst thing. Obviously RD and Nark are probably not going to vote themselves. I will re-read on the two this morning and post more about it tonight.

[jonty125]

Seems he has all his focus on me and convinced others to follow. That is just plain bad behavior.

Not true at all, my vote stays. WCS - we lose an inexperienced, skimming VT, with a lack of meaningful contributions.

[jak111]

Did she even claim? I didn't see a "VT" claim, just some random stuff about an old lady being suspicious of people.

My vote stays, she has not been modkilled so she did NOT quote her PM, which means that even the stuff she did say is not true.

Whatever she is, she's not claiming it. So we'll have to find out for ourselves.

[StorrZerg]

Did she even claim? I didn't see a "VT" claim, just some random stuff about an old lady being suspicious of people.

My vote stays, she has not been modkilled so she did NOT quote her PM, which means that even the stuff she did say is not true.

Whatever she is, she's not claiming it. So we'll have to find out for ourselves.

Fine. I am just a plain town person. I love my hood. I'm one of those old ladies that peeks thru the shades and then call for help. I've been living here for a long long long time. I am suspicious of all strangers. And anyone who kills for fun.

Plain town person

[StorrZerg]

EBWOP and yeah the latter stuff i have no idea what she is meaning on that...

[Jmac1026]

Did she even claim? I didn't see a "VT" claim, just some random stuff about an old lady being suspicious of people.

My vote stays, she has not been modkilled so she did NOT quote her PM, which means that even the stuff she did say is not true.

Whatever she is, she's not claiming it. So we'll have to find out for ourselves.

Fine. I am just a plain town person. I love my hood. I'm one of those old ladies that peeks thru the shades and then call for help. I've been living here for a long long long time. I am suspicious of all strangers. And anyone who kills for fun.

Plain town person

what the hell does that even mean?? Plain town person isn't any role I've ever seen! She needs to be lynched just to see how the hell she turns.

Either it's obfuscating stupidity, jestering (in a very bizarre way), or she really doesn't understand what it is people want from her.

[StorrZerg]

its obvious plain town person = vt...

[StorrZerg]

im sure if you cry some more it will make her say vt though

[Roger Dodger]

What r u kidding. I choose a set of words and u call me a vt? I already said I don't care for vigilantism. I already said that there is no room in this town for a careless vigilante. A townie is a townie plain and simple. Jonty states he is vigilante. U may all think that is fine and dandy but, I insist that this is not a friend. That role is dangerous and calculating. Relax already. JMAC and Xstorx, U are creating trouble where there is none. Maybe u are in cohorts with Jonty.