Game of Thrones Mafia 9/24 Night 6: End Game Vote 4 MVP

[charm]

This is so totally fun...I love this mafia game!! You guys ROCK!!

So couple of things:
1. I haven't had a chance to put who we know is in what "location" on a list - anyone else done that yet and want to update everyone?

2. @Jak -If Charm is indeed part of a group I am willing to bet Zivel is with her in some form. // I have no relations to Zivel. I also find your 4 points very interesting!

3. @HotShot53 -As for charm, she seems to be posting her usual craziness. Can make things interesting, but not very helpful for town right now it seems. // You're right, my little tirade was vague and can't be shared with you all just yet! I like to be sure, and I should not have posted until I had more information.

4. @Epi -Charm, wtf. If you are onto some people, at least point us in their direction. You didn't even need to allude to the fact that you were roleblocked, just start prodding those you suspect or give us a start. Don't just come out and say you've been roleblocked and might be onto some people and then not say who it is. // You're right, like I said, I had a bit of a tirade. Sometimes you guys have to read between the lines. Yes, I was roleblocked! I am assuming I was roleblocked by mafia since it was a night action. Yes, I have serious suspicions on 3 people. I will give you more in 24 hours, please be patient. In the meantime, I would think we should continue to put pressure on Dreddfot since that is the location we know the most about.

5. @Crasp - I have also never known charm to bandwagon before. Her case for voting me was flimsy to say the least. Hotshot isnt in my town so i think confirms mafia are amongst, i think we knew that anyway. I have been waiting on somebody from outside my city referring to it, thought it might have been charm herself. For that reason i am voting hotshot. Way too much of a coincidence. // I didn't bandwagon Crasp! I voted on you because I know your brilliant tactics and I didn't trust that your tirade was a tirade at all. Also, go ahead and vote for HotShot, I have no clue what side of the fence he is on! Although, I may have to remeber for future use if I decide to bandwagon that it would be best to follow a HotShot!! (LOL - I crack myself up!! )

6. @bunnies -Charm, tbh I agree with jonty. You saying it was a complete waste was pointless. If it was a waste, let them keep doing it // No it wasn't. I suspect the mafia know exactly who I am, and now know I'm harmless, they won't waste a roleblock again. They also may be trying to manipulate me. If I'm right, then I would suspect that none of them will be voting for me anytime soon. Town is not going to vote for me either. That means that I will have to be forthright and give the town some concrete information to go on and make sure I'm right (well at least 80% right if I apply the 80/20 rule). And not do the tirade thing is important!

7. I don;t want to sidetrack anyone, but I think we need to also keep sight of towns, objects, how the QT is working, etc... For example:
Did you all know that there are more than just the "location" QTs? Is everyone in a QT?
We know there is a thrown, but I haven't seen it saying how you de-throne someone!
What about visiting other towns. Someone must have the ability to spy on other towns. Who? How?? When???

[jak111]

Of course, if you did Charm, why would you admit to it? I mean, I can't take your word on it, I need a little more than that. But I'm more focused on Zivel for now than you. Again, you soft throughout your post but there's nothing concrete to get a full claim from you as of yet. Just hope that you answer small questions here and there truthfully for now.

If my suspicions are correct on you though, I think pressuring other people will bring up the results eventually (I think you're more of a third party group than mafia at this point).

Although what you bring up about the throne had crossed my mind a few times, but I think how a town gets the throne is maybe if someone from the town with the throne dies it randomly moves to another town? I am not quite sure how that mechanic works or if the other towns can ever get the Iron Throne for themselves. (Thrown.. lol )

Or it might even be that someone in the town "Holds" the throne for the town and if someone from another town visits him with ANY action it moves to their town? All just speculation.

Did you all know that there are more than just the "location" QTs? Is everyone in a QT?

This line really strikes me as odd. Are you in any QT besides the city Charm? You seem to be slipping quite a bit today. If you're some sort of Fool role, that'd explain a lot...

[Zivel]

I will claim later tonight if nothing changes. The short time frame means that we need time to change things up.

Charm: so how do you know it was not a town that roleblocked you? Town have roleblockers as well, and you would not be out of the question of being targeted.
Also what do you mean by more than one QT? You keep dropping these hints but not expanding, this teasing is doing my head in!

FP by Jak

[MudPuppy]

For what it's worth, I get a pretty good Town vibe from Zivel. I think his flip from crasp has been overblown. I felt his explanations for voting and unvoting crasp were both reasonable. He voted for crasp 'cause he had to put a vote somewhere and betiko was untouchable... along comes crasp's drunken rant and an easy target... I think more for policy than scumminess... but still an easy call to vote. Then comes crasp's explanation and apology and some time for Zivel to settle down from the initial wtf reaction to the rant... and he's ready to give crasp a pass on it and move on to some more productive scum hunting. In general, Zivel has been active and, I think, has posted with good substance.

I voted mtamburini D1 due to inactivity and then gave him a temporary pass after he claimed real life distractions and promised to "expect something in a couple hours just going to go shower and make some more food." Well, that was 30+ hours ago and we have heard nothing from him since with absolutely nothing of substance from him all game. That makes him an easy vote for me. Vote Tambo.

jmac, my watch, has not yet posted on D2.

[kgb007]

cut down some of the other text but

// You're right, like I said, I had a bit of a tirade. Sometimes you guys have to read between the lines. Yes, I was roleblocked! I am assuming I was roleblocked by mafia since it was a night action. Yes, I have serious suspicions on 3 people. I will give you more in 24 hours, please be patient. In the meantime, I would think we should continue to put pressure on Dreddfot since that is the location we know the most about.

7. I don;t want to sidetrack anyone, but I think we need to also keep sight of towns, objects, how the QT is working, etc... For example:
Did you all know that there are more than just the "location" QTs? Is everyone in a QT?
We know there is a thrown, but I haven't seen it saying how you de-throne someone!
What about visiting other towns. Someone must have the ability to spy on other towns. Who? How?? When???

why are you waiting another 24 hours given such short day phases? I did not know there was more than location/city QTs, you seem to be hinting at a lot of new information but delaying the dissemination of this info. again I ask why? We should allow for as much time as possible to discuss this stuff if you're going to "break the ice" so to speak. I'm reading you as town but I think your motives/line of thinking are hindering town efforts.

Neb already addressed why it's not worth dissecting whether IB died protecting someone or targeted directly, but boone - what was the point in saying you think you were the save? that's an odd thing to throw out there.

I actually don't mind Jak tunneling on a weakened town based on the theory that you have a better shot of catching scum from a smaller pool assuming you believe every city has at least one scum/3rd party present.

Crasp has already stated he knows the character name of who resides on the throne but I'd like to ask: Does that mean you know what city the throne resides? I ask because your role seems like a "blah" power at this point but knowing the city would improve your lot IMO. I think transferring the throne would have to involve killing the current owner but maybe that's just more flavour influenced than anything else.

my watch epitaph posted earlier today

[kgb007]

EBWOP: When I say Jak tunneling on a weakened town, I mean focusing on one city but you have been obsessed this throne business..

[jonty125]

FOS charm, with such short day/night cycle saying you have info but are going to wait 24 hours makes very little sense.

[legionnare]

Firth has been more active and maybe that is why he is scummier to me.

FOS legionnare

Jonty why FOS with no explanation?

[legionnare]

So are we not going to talk a bit more about IB's death, was it a direct hit? If so who did IB clash with in D1.

Or was IB's death from protecting someone? In that case who do we think that IB would have protected and why was that person targeted?

Pretender has posted today.

I don't like this line of questioning. It does nothing but lead us down a WIFOM conversation. Iron is dead. Whether it was direct or doing his job, it doesn't matter. As he stated, he was a "meat shield" and was meant to die protecting others. While we will miss his experience, the rest doesn't matter.

Neb why does it not matter? IB's death is one of the few pieces of solid information that we have, yet there has been little discussion of it.

[Zivel]

I am trying to get as much of what I know out there, as my claim will probably be my death.

Again with the things that don't need to be said.

So let me know if you want a claim then, with these short days time is precious, so let me know asap ya? I want to get Jak off my arse.

I will give my top scum reads and you let me know:

• Jak: Jak is my top read at the moment. For similar reasons that got Firth lynched. He is fishing way to hard in our city for the throne, almost every post he has made here has been more about game mechanics than actual scum hunting, like he is posting lots but very little real content, and almost obsessive of the throne. My only reserve is that this follows his meta, he doesn't play scum hunter he plays like he is a mod looking for weakness in the game setup.
• Charm: I don't trust the teasing, she is either playing a newb game with her tells or she knows something and doesn't want to tell. I would like to see some pressure on her to see what she is holding. The latest vote on me with absolutely no reason screams scum.
• Betiko: His day one was awful, what he has said in day two has not made me any more comfortable with him.
• Hotshot: Posts contradict each other, and there seems an ambivalence about him. Not really sold on this one though.
• Lurkers: I have done a quick post count and will link it below but the most outstanding are AOG, with a last post on the 28th, Mtam with a last post on the 28th and 4 posts total and Jmac with a last post on the 28th and 6 posts in total. I would happily policy lynch any of these guys and several others from the list below. I think Pretender is slipping under the radar as well, his vote on Firth sucked.
• If I do go down I strongly advise looking at the main ones on my case, PCM, Neb and Strike have all pushed hard for my lynch.
• From the Firth lynch: Strike looked dodgy, Jaks case was hypocritical at best and with his followup post in our city is downright scummy, and good ole Betiko (yes I know you are a bloke, go back and reread. I would also like to take you up on your stance of no claiming but you are right, now is not the time)
• IB's death, well thats a rough one as the only one who voted him was me.... but my guess is that people saw him as a strong town player and knocked him off. He did have a run in with bunnies.

Looking at it as it stands I have 5 votes on me, I don't want to claim as it will help no one, but will in my next post in eight hours if nothing changes (I know I said I would tonight but I am going to sleep on it).

I will say though, that if you want me to I can confirm I am town without a doubt, but this may hurt town in the long run.

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[Zivel]

I am going to vote charm until she explains more.

[pretender77]

I am trying to get as much of what I know out there, as my claim will probably be my death.

Again with the things that don't need to be said.

So let me know if you want a claim then, with these short days time is precious, so let me know asap ya? I want to get Jak off my arse.

I will give my top scum reads and you let me know:

• Jak: Jak is my top read at the moment. For similar reasons that got Firth lynched. He is fishing way to hard in our city for the throne, almost every post he has made here has been more about game mechanics than actual scum hunting, like he is posting lots but very little real content, and almost obsessive of the throne. My only reserve is that this follows his meta, he doesn't play scum hunter he plays like he is a mod looking for weakness in the game setup.
• Charm: I don't trust the teasing, she is either playing a newb game with her tells or she knows something and doesn't want to tell. I would like to see some pressure on her to see what she is holding. The latest vote on me with absolutely no reason screams scum.
• Betiko: His day one was awful, what he has said in day two has not made me any more comfortable with him.
• Hotshot: Posts contradict each other, and there seems an ambivalence about him. Not really sold on this one though.
• Lurkers: I have done a quick post count and will link it below but the most outstanding are AOG, with a last post on the 28th, Mtam with a last post on the 28th and 4 posts total and Jmac with a last post on the 28th and 6 posts in total. I would happily policy lynch any of these guys and several others from the list below. I think Pretender is slipping under the radar as well, his vote on Firth sucked.
• If I do go down I strongly advise looking at the main ones on my case, PCM, Neb and Strike have all pushed hard for my lynch.
• From the Firth lynch: Strike looked dodgy, Jaks case was hypocritical at best and with his followup post in our city is downright scummy, and good ole Betiko (yes I know you are a bloke, go back and reread. I would also like to take you up on your stance of no claiming but you are right, now is not the time)
• IB's death, well thats a rough one as the only one who voted him was me.... but my guess is that people saw him as a strong town player and knocked him off. He did have a run in with bunnies.

Looking at it as it stands I have 5 votes on me, I don't want to claim as it will help no one, but will in my next post in eight hours if nothing changes (I know I said I would tonight but I am going to sleep on it).

I will say though, that if you want me to I can confirm I am town without a doubt, but this may hurt town in the long run.

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With regards to me slipping under the radar. How exactly is the general consensus expecting us to vote in a solely voting thread and provide reasoning?

[pancakemix]

I am trying to get as much of what I know out there, as my claim will probably be my death.

Again with the things that don't need to be said.

So let me know if you want a claim then, with these short days time is precious, so let me know asap ya? I want to get Jak off my arse.

• If I do go down I strongly advise looking at the main ones on my case, PCM, Neb and Strike have all pushed hard for my lynch.

I may have questioned your actions, but I haven't pushed for your lynch at all. I haven't even voted you and don't intend to. You even deleted the part of my post where I said I felt that kind of hint wasn't too big a deal.

[betiko]

I am not feeling comfortable with tamburini's low profile since the start of this game. I will put my symbolic vote on him if he doesn't shows up by tonight.

[jonty125]

Firth has been more active and maybe that is why he is scummier to me.

FOS legionnare

Jonty why FOS with no explanation?

I didn't mean to miss it out I must have lost it when I was forming my post. It's for saying someone is scummy because they're active.

[Epitaph1]

My read on Charm: I don't think she's scum based on how she came out today, but she's driving me nuts by hinting at information and not sharing it. I understand not all information is best to be shared, but I don't think saying you have a lead on three people and leaving it at that is very helpful. The best reason to do something like that would be to draw more attention to herself. The hounds reference I took as a Ramsay Bolton hint. I see her as town or possibly 3rd party.

Re Zivel: he is still at the top of my list for the crasp vote and follow up explanations. However, his last long post has struck me as very town. I liked the list of suspects and reasoning in case he gets lynched or killed. If I had to vote one person right now (which I do), it would still be him but I'm starting to reconsider.

Re pretender: pretender is the scummiest town player in TNC. He's been known to fakeclaim as town for no good reason other than to save his own skin at the expense of the greater good. That said, he plays consistent no matter his alignment. I'm having a hard time reading him this game.

Re jak: I have never played with jak and am having a very hard time getting a read on him. In general, I think he's just an overly enthusiastic town, but I could be getting completely duped. I don't always like his reasoning--his reasoning for disliking Zivel is very different than my own--but I can't say that he's given me the uh oh feeling in my tummy that he's scum.

Re lurkers: If I don't vote for Zivel, it might be mtam or another lurker. Admittedly, this game is kind of hard to follow because there is so much going on, but that doesn't excuse opting out of posting. But before we lynch someone without a claim, a confirmed prod would be preferable (I can't remember if Storr will prod and I have to wrap this up).

fp'd

Jweid has posted today and been fairly active.

[jak111]

So let me know if you want a claim then, with these short days time is precious, so let me know asap ya? I want to get Jak off my arse.

I will give my top scum reads and you let me know:

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[*] Jak: Jak is my top read at the moment. For similar reasons that got Firth lynched. He is fishing way to hard in our city for the throne, almost every post he has made here has been more about game mechanics than actual scum hunting, like he is posting lots but very little real content, and almost obsessive of the throne. My only reserve is that this follows his meta, he doesn't play scum hunter he plays like he is a mod looking for weakness in the game setup.
[*] Charm: I don't trust the teasing, she is either playing a newb game with her tells or she knows something and doesn't want to tell. I would like to see some pressure on her to see what she is holding. The latest vote on me with absolutely no reason screams scum.

LOL, yeah I'm on your ass, but unlike Firth I am not going for your head just yet. First the claim and then we'll see from there.

Well, I do love modding games (I actually love modding more than playing believe it or not XD). So yes, I am looking for something in this game that I can grasp onto and figure it out. That's not necessarily a bad thing.

Although, I find it funny how Charm is your next scum read when I was pushing on her before you. So you trust my intentions somewhat even if you wont admit to it.

Also, today is CANADA DAY. Was hanging with cousin earlier and hanging with sister tonight, so probably wont be back until tomorrow with a full post (I'll give it a read tonight before bed and if Zivel claimed see if it's worth unvoting him tonight or tomorrow).

[jak111]

Before I go today, since we're talking about what is going on in the city, perhaps I should mention how you want my name claim before you claim. Right now you're in the lynch position Zivel, tomorrow is the deadline, I will check back tonight and take my vote off if your claim warrants it. But if you wait until the last second I and others might not be back on in time to take our votes off of you and put them onto something else.

That is not me being a dick about it, just letting you know we will need the time to pull off if we're going to pull off after your claim.

[betiko]

Ok, really not liking how tamburini has been lurking all this game, and voted bo lynch on day 1 not to get involved.
The dread fort has its biggest suspicions on him to be the mafia in our thread. Yes, tamburini is dread fort and we gave him enough chances by now.

My symbolic vote goes on tamburini, i am not convinced by any case other so far.

#vote tamburini

[strike wolf]

Can we make an agreement not to post in light blue? It is difficult for me to read when I am on my phone. Too close to the background color.

[StorrZerg]

agree light blue is ugly

[Zivel]

OK, so I am town.I am Arya Stark of the house Stark. I have been trained as a Water Dancer by Syrio Forel and as such can kill one person a cycle. I am basically a vig with day kills. The catch is that I must know both the character name and the player username. I also can avoid all checks on me. This claim is easy to test as I already have a match(I am not reading crasp as scum though). I am in the city of Braavos, alongside Jak and 4 others. In the city there has been a lot of talk about the throne and sticking together as a city. Jak has been leading these conversations with me disagreeing. The others in the city are a mixed bag.

I have given my top scum reads in my previous post, the only addition is that, as PCM has stated, he has not voted for me, he has put me on his watchlist and has mentioned this in several posts but I would agree with his last post that he is not actively pushing for my lynch, more just questioning my actions.

I also stated that I could confirm town, after sleeping I have come to the conclusion that I cannot. I could be seen as a third party, I am not, but I am not able to prove otherwise. I think you guys would agree though that it would be unbalanced if I was scum.

I have a question for Jak, Neb, Jonty, strike and charm:

You have my claim, you have pressured for this, using a flip flop from yesterday. Tell me, what information does this claim tell you? Don't make my claim for nothing.

[strike wolf]

If what you say about Jak is true. I find it scummy. I did say yesterday that he is very interested in the cities mechanic and he has at least at points acknowledged that mafia is likely within the cities so if he is saying each city for themselves that would contradict what he has been saying. However I am not sure there is a misunderstanding somewhere in this exchange.

[Zivel]

Am I allowed to quote from the QT in here?

[pancakemix]

Am I allowed to quote from the QT in here?

My understanding is no.