Game of Thrones Mafia 9/24 Night 6: End Game Vote 4 MVP

[IAmRobik]

Ok, so I'm going to come out and ##vote Zivel, unless someone is able to convince me how not being checkable aids the town at all. We've all been pretty suspicious of him all game anyway, so this isn't coming too far from left field.

Also, Charm is pretty god damn scummy, but I have no idea what to make of any of it.

I think we've already determined that Zivel is almost certainly 3p based off of the anti-mass-claim mechanic of his role, as well as the lack of ability to be checked, but at this point, if Zivel uses his kill on people we want him to kill, I don't see why we shouldn't keep him alive. If he strays from town consensus and just starts putting holes in anyone whose role he knows, then we can consider lynching him (or me killing him).

I think these are terms that even Zivel can agree on.

[IAmRobik]

AOG posting "jokes" in QT but not participating in any actual discussion or saying anything useful in this thread

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[betiko]

Side note: robik I m happy to see you are taking the game seriously and that you are not the clown I thought you were day 3 but a rather worthy player. Gosh, your entrance was just so annoying! But I guess you did it on purpose...

And yep, boone, bunnies and robik, get yourselves an avatar should just take a minute! (In the control pannel)

[pretender77]

Ok, so I'm going to come out and ##vote Zivel, unless someone is able to convince me how not being checkable aids the town at all. We've all been pretty suspicious of him all game anyway, so this isn't coming too far from left field.

Also, Charm is pretty god damn scummy, but I have no idea what to make of any of it.

I think we've already determined that Zivel is almost certainly 3p based off of the anti-mass-claim mechanic of his role, as well as the lack of ability to be checked, but at this point, if Zivel uses his kill on people we want him to kill, I don't see why we shouldn't keep him alive. If he strays from town consensus and just starts putting holes in anyone whose role he knows, then we can consider lynching him (or me killing him).

I think these are terms that even Zivel can agree on.

That is very well state...So ...instead of worrying about who to day lynch..How about we look at someone whom we think is scummy...and have zivel get them for us...

[IAmRobik]

@pretender

Zivel's role only works if he knows the username and role name so we can't fully rely on that
We should be lynching either way. The more suspects we lynch, the higher chance we hit mafia. Especially since we don't know if my KP is guaranteed and will probably only be temporary until mafia gets rid of more important roles.

[betiko]

well we do know charm's name.... lord varys. I'm fine ziveling her for science.

[Zivel]

I think we've already determined that Zivel is almost certainly 3p based off of the anti-mass-claim mechanic of his role, as well as the lack of ability to be checked, but at this point, if Zivel uses his kill on people we want him to kill, I don't see why we shouldn't keep him alive. If he strays from town consensus and just starts putting holes in anyone whose role he knows, then we can consider lynching him (or me killing him).

I think these are terms that even Zivel can agree on.

Ok, I have said many times that I am not 3p but I cannot prove otherwise. My ability is strong, I will never use it to hurt town, in that respect there is no reason to lynch me now. I am more than happy to kill charm, infact I will sooner rather than later so we have time to build another case. Can we please lynch pretender, his play seems scummy as hell to me.

[IAmRobik]

I think we've already determined that Zivel is almost certainly 3p based off of the anti-mass-claim mechanic of his role, as well as the lack of ability to be checked, but at this point, if Zivel uses his kill on people we want him to kill, I don't see why we shouldn't keep him alive. If he strays from town consensus and just starts putting holes in anyone whose role he knows, then we can consider lynching him (or me killing him).

I think these are terms that even Zivel can agree on.

Ok, I have said many times that I am not 3p but I cannot prove otherwise. My ability is strong, I will never use it to hurt town, in that respect there is no reason to lynch me now. I am more than happy to kill charm, infact I will sooner rather than later so we have time to build another case. Can we please lynch pretender, his play seems scummy as hell to me.

Hopefully we get to a point where we have a bunch of confirmed townies and then we can lynch you if the game isn't over ^_^

[Zivel]

So do I do it?

[jwiedlin]

So do I do it?

I won't be upset if you do it, but I suggest letting others weigh in.

If there is anyone opposed, now is the time to speak up.

[Zivel]

So do I do it?

I won't be upset if you do it, but I suggest letting others weigh in.

If there is anyone opposed, now is the time to speak up.

Yeah, I will pull the trigger in a couple of hours. I dont want to have a mad rush at the end of the day like last time.

[IAmRobik]

Zivel..Braavos -- we need to discuss!!!!!!!

[charm]

You guys are f'ing hard headed. I am not saying I quit. I'm saying I am not going to be responding to anymore silly pressure from you all to get information from me when it does not exist. This is the last time I make this statement, if you don't believe me then ask the mod, as I am not allowed to cut and paste the QT with Crasp.

1. I never told Crasp I was from KL
2. I was never in a QT with Jak/Robik
3. I sent a message via the mod (which is my power) to Jak/Robik stating to forget about me and go investigate KL. I said to go investigate KL to keep them off of finding out who was in Storms End. I was protecting the town in Storms End.

Crasp misinterpreted what I said!
I'm sure this will all be cleared up in the end of the game! And then you all can plant kisses on my ass.

I am voting Neb because he is seems scummy in the QT and is annoying me.
@Boone - I have been investigating all along and trying to sniff out the scum.

[kgb007]

instead of quoting i'm just going to reference the player and time/date/pg# for my comments as I go in chronological order

@SW, Wednesday morning 9am, pg 38 - Zivel doesn't need investigative immunity, I've already voiced this opinion in our QT but I DO NOT read Zivel as town, a town role with immunity makes no sense to me. I think Zivel is 3P and not a top priority to lynch since he's demonstrated his ability by killing pershy D3, I doubt scum have day kill powers AND that he'd be brazen enough to kill his own teammate

@SCK, Wed morning 10am, pg 38 - I've been suspicious of Charm since D2, I didn't like the cliff hanger of a promise for more information, and I found her final answers in response to my questions incomplete at best.

@AOG Wed morning 10am, pg 39 - funny the minute I call you out on not posting in our QT you've become much more active in said QT. I think our QT is just as safe than the main thread BECAUSE WE KNOW SCUM CAN READ THE MAIN THREAD. It's easier to catch scum if the odds are 1 out of 6 (our QT population) vs ??? out of 17.

a few minutes later...AOG - Yes we all understand no one is 100% town or not until death or end game but if you're going to question his townness and then in the very next sentence say "but I actually read betiko as town" then just shut up, we all know it's a possibility, that's a hollow post with zero substance. you spend a few more posts on pg 39 riding the fence and talking about of both sides of your mouth. pick a lane and stay in it or at the very least so keep parroting "well it's possible he's this but I think he's not" WE GET IT

late pg 39/pg 40, I had a hard time understanding the earlier legion discussion and pretender's name keeps coming up during each day phase but I haven't seen a coherent case on him yet

Jeez, I want charm gone so bad, her posts burn my eyes to read, chanting the same stuff over and over again DOESN'T MAKE YOU TOWN, we still have a half claim from you, DOES NOBODY ELSE REALIZE THIS?? All we got was a role name. No other color. Varys has no ability but to sit in a QT all by herself now that crasp is dead? No, sorry, not buying it. Especially since you said you were RB'd N1!

@legion, Thurs 12PM, pg 40 - I actually find your claim believable if only bc you've gone into more discussion in our QT and have been consistent in explaining the your actions

@rob, Thurs 1PM - pg 41 - my top scum - Charm and AOG, my top town - betiko and nobody else I feel terribly strong about at the moment

@SW, Thurs 1PM, pg 41 - you can be my other top town for the moment since all of your reads match mine when it comes charm, zivel and not sure what to make of SCK either

@legion, Thurs 2PM, pg 41 - i read your idea in our QT and i think it's a waste, either you live or die, no need to expedite the end result today

@everyone on pg 42 that wants zivel to sword charm, yes I am in favor, then we're faced with who to lynch by Friday afternoon

@charm, Thurs 7pm, pg 42 - this is actually you're best post yet, i have to look at the timestamps more closely in our QT bc they're either an hour ahead or behind here but you're confirming what rob just revealed in our QT a few minutes ago...interesting as we have a lot of theories as to why rob got that message from you and you suddenly reveal this bit of information.

[IAmRobik]

You guys are f'ing hard headed. I am not saying I quit. I'm saying I am not going to be responding to anymore silly pressure from you all to get information from me when it does not exist. This is the last time I make this statement, if you don't believe me then ask the mod, as I am not allowed to cut and paste the QT with Crasp.

1. I never told Crasp I was from KL
2. I was never in a QT with Jak/Robik
3. I sent a message via the mod (which is my power) to Jak/Robik stating to forget about me and go investigate KL. I said to go investigate KL to keep them off of finding out who was in Storms End. I was protecting the town in Storms End.

Crasp misinterpreted what I said!
I'm sure this will all be cleared up in the end of the game! And then you all can plant kisses on my ass.

I am voting Neb because he is seems scummy in the QT and is annoying me.
@Boone - I have been investigating all along and trying to sniff out the scum.

I can confirm the message. We have been discussing it in Braavos

[Zivel]

Ok I am going to a meeting for two hours. Even after the last post of hers and the information from rob I am still feeling there is half truths and subterfuge around charm and enough to kill her. I will shoot when I get back unless someone changes my mind. So far I have six people who say to shoot. Full claim charm.

[boonetown]

JHDSJDFHJSDF i just wrote this wonderful long post and clicked backspace to erase a mistake, and it took me pack a page instead... I LOST IT ALL!!!!

@ betiko - basically my "ability" was put on someone last night, and it ended up on someone else. I hope that is sufficent enough information for you to understand why I think there is another type of busdriver role.

@robik - alright. you have admitted to not reading the entire thread, and this is the second time since the QT has come out as fully town that you have put scum on me. i want to make this perfectly clear... i was the FIRST one to say i wasnt comfortable with the "full town kings landing" claim, because i think bunnies is scummy. but, based on the way i'm reading the 1/5 and that i think it's out of the number of people that were in the town at the start of the game, not how many were in it when the checks happened (as that's the only way it actually makes sense since someone from KL was already dead when he got the check), i'm comfortable FOR NOW, to say it's a town qt. you should filter me, read my posts because it's obvious you havent, and if we still have a problem... come at me.

also, robik was the one who i tried to check last night... it came back on someone else though. so im currently very frustrated.

oh, in addition (because you seem to be concerned with the number of posts im making), i am not posting as often as i would like too because i have been a tad bit busy IRL and i've been trying to figure this game out. i have actual notes, which is the first time i've done notes in a forum game, and i've been more active in my QT than in this thread, for reasons i've already stated.

@zivel, can you still shoot during the day or no?

FP'd legion, charm

What do your checks report back? What are you claiming as your ability?

Also, I feel comfortable claiming now that I do have .5KP each night that I can use. I used .5kp on legion. Based off of his claims that he has used up 1.5life, that means that he would have have .5 left and I took that .5, so he should be dead. Or he has some bp too, but like, that's so absurd and unreasonable.

I will be shooting him again tonight barring any changes. If his claim is true, he should still be alive for ANOTHER day after that.

i am not claiming. basically i can check something about a player each night, that's as much as i'll say for now.

[boonetown]

JHDSJDFHJSDF i just wrote this wonderful long post and clicked backspace to erase a mistake, and it took me pack a page instead... I LOST IT ALL!!!!

@ betiko - basically my "ability" was put on someone last night, and it ended up on someone else. I hope that is sufficent enough information for you to understand why I think there is another type of busdriver role.

@robik - alright. you have admitted to not reading the entire thread, and this is the second time since the QT has come out as fully town that you have put scum on me. i want to make this perfectly clear... i was the FIRST one to say i wasnt comfortable with the "full town kings landing" claim, because i think bunnies is scummy. but, based on the way i'm reading the 1/5 and that i think it's out of the number of people that were in the town at the start of the game, not how many were in it when the checks happened (as that's the only way it actually makes sense since someone from KL was already dead when he got the check), i'm comfortable FOR NOW, to say it's a town qt. you should filter me, read my posts because it's obvious you havent, and if we still have a problem... come at me.

also, robik was the one who i tried to check last night... it came back on someone else though. so im currently very frustrated.

oh, in addition (because you seem to be concerned with the number of posts im making), i am not posting as often as i would like too because i have been a tad bit busy IRL and i've been trying to figure this game out. i have actual notes, which is the first time i've done notes in a forum game, and i've been more active in my QT than in this thread, for reasons i've already stated.

@zivel, can you still shoot during the day or no?

FP'd legion, charm

The other check came back 1/5 in braavos too, but there are more than 5 people alivei n braavos, so what you're saying makes no sense.
What do you mean by "the check came back on someone else"
You tried to do something to me and the result was "not robik did/is so and so"?

there are 6 people per city, unless i completely missed something... yea? that being said, 1+5=6... math. therefor i believe the checks are based on the amount of people PER CITY regardless of how many have died/been lynched thus far

[boonetown]

Charm, I haven't read all of your posts but I don't think you've mentioned neb in any recent ones. Why are you voting him?

Also, I highly suggest people to unvote legion and find another target. I will take care of legion eventually, otherwise i would have wasted one of my night actions already. Although I guess if I have to shoot him 2 more times, it's worth it to just lynch him and I start slowly killing someone else.

Would love input on the above.
Also still would love people to say who their top 2 scum are and top 2 town.

My vote doesn t count and I think I m the only one voting legion so it won t change much.

My top town reads are strike, mud puppy, boone and neb
My top scum reads (including third parties) are legion, zivel, charm, pretender and you.

If it makes you feel better, my scum reads are pretty similar to yours:
legion, zivel (3p), pretender

I also lean scummy on cowking and kinda on boone because I expect much more from her. She's being super shady this game and it bothers the f*ck out of me. She is usually very blunt and tells you exactly what she's thinking. I might be incorrect, but when she was medic in her first game, she was way more nervous but way more active. These are qualities that I'm not seeing from her since I joined the game. She's cryptic and aloof and doesn't seem to care.

first of all, that game and this game are COMPLETEY different, I was called scum on day one that game and i was medic, and it was my first forum game so i was nervous as f*ck that i was gonna screw it all up. secondly i need you to point out (in a list if possible) what it was that you think i've done that is scummy, so i can either explain it to ease your mind, or debunk it completely. you can't be so sure about the way i play a forum game, it's a totally different medium than you are used to seeing me play on. you being so sure that you would know the way i play seems like you are trying to get me lynched without any real reason.

reasons please. thanks.

[boonetown]

So do I do it?

i asked you earlier if you had your KP but you didnt respond. i asked for a reason.


if you can do it, i think charm or legion should be the hits. i dont think we should just wait for robik to do his thing.

[Nebuchadnezer]

@Boone – Interesting…are you sure it’s a busdriver? Or did someone just redirect your action? Hmm…two busdrivers? I thought Storr was crazy having all these separate QTs, so why not throw in two bus drivers and two role blockers just to really get wild?

@Zivel/Pretender – One of you are most likely scum…which is it? Zivel’s got a little more town credit right now…I haven’t really paid too much attention to Pretender.

@Charm – is everyone that’s on your case scum? That’s a lot of scum…

@Legion – your math doesn’t add up. Or Robik is lying. It sounds like you should be dead. I can’t reconcile this in my head right now…

@Boone – That is one hell of an investigative role. I buy that you’re town, and trust that you’ll steer us clear of town.

@Robik – I’m not sure why Legion is alive…I’m not sure he knows why he’s alive…but I don’t know that shooting him again is the way to go. Also, Charm seems to be OMGUS voting me because I haven’t trusted her all game.

@the threateners – Why do you all make hollow “threats”? I’m tired of them…”if you don’t come out, I’ll reveal your role…” “…hey mafia, I’ll set my dogs on you…” annoying. Charm, Boone, Legion are the ones I’m recalling right now…

@Storr – You have me voting and not voting! I think this is the third time…can I just have two votes so we don’t have to worry about this?

@Strike – I think your post echoes my sentiments.

@jweidlin – Why don’t I recall you posting ever…you keep a rather low profile. I hadn’t placed much attention on pretender. I know he hasn’t outted the entire town he’s in…I was wondering if he had already posted his town. Other than that…I’ve got no read on him. He’s pushing Zivel, but I have my doubts on Zivel as well…so that doesn’t bother me so much.

@KGB – This list thing seems to be catching…

@pancake – Hi. Nice to see you every once in a while.

@betiko and Robik – GET A ROOM! 

Looking at my last post and this one, there are some people laying low:

Siriuscowking – has disappeared after his voting shenanigans.
Jweidling - very quiet. Short posts when he does post.
Pancake – Very quiet.
Epitaph – Rare posting.
Bunnies – seems to come and go.

So, I don’t think my list changes at all from yesterday. Sirius has not only been dodgy and scattered, but now he’s disappeared. Charm is…un-charm-ing? After that, I feel like we have some players scummarining here…

My vote stays on Sirius, and I’m not broken up if Charm is “Ziveled.” Those are my top two anyway.

If Charm will be “Ziveled” do it quickly…otherwise we have another mad scramble at day end…which we may be near anyway.

[Zivel]

Doing it
##kill varys charm

Been up for hours and no one has come back to say no, and several have said yes so for the hope of hitting scum and giving us another lynch I am shooting charm. hope we have her character right.

[StorrZerg]

A shot rings out...

We find....

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[boonetown]

Zivel, i had asked you about your shot twice and wanted you to talk to me about it before shooting. I hinted that i thought it should be discussed that the shot could be on legion instead... why did you not even bother to talk to me or discuss it...

[pancakemix]

@pancake – Hi. Nice to see you every once in a while.

You realize I've posted at least once per (24 hr) day today right? And that I've been vocal about my reads and opinions both here and in the QT through those posts?

I'm actually pretty surprised you were in favor of a charm lynch, especially since that's why you're voting Sirius, isn't it? Trying to start an easy wagon on her? Maybe that has little to do with her specifically, but if you thought she was scummy why not go along? While I'm at it, why not bring up the fact that you knew full well that charm was town and know how she plays, but your first reaction as soon as Crasp flipped was to out her as Varys? Charm had an eye on you and I don't think that was unfounded. Call it a hunch.

You wanted me, here I am.

##Unvote

##Vote Neb

Zivel, i had asked you about your shot twice and wanted you to talk to me about it before shooting. I hinted that i thought it should be discussed that the shot could be on legion instead... why did you not even bother to talk to me or discuss it...

1. I don't see that Legion posted his character name anywhere.
2. You also said that he should go for Charm. So...