fusibaseball wrote:I'm still not grasping how this role functions. I must be missing something...
I don't know what you don't understand. This is the role description from mafia.gg:
Role: Fall Guy
Alignment: Town
- Sees self as Villager
- Revealed to all Mafia-aligned players at the start of the game
- Appears as "sided with the Mafia" on investigations
- Upon being condemned, revealed as a Mafia
I notice that it only mentions what happens if he's condemned. Maybe we'd get the truth if he died some other way. Of course, DDS can run this any way he wants.
With this being a role madness game, if LC flipped and it just said he was mafia, that might confirm that he was a Fall Guy, because otherwise, he'd likely have an actual role.
FYI, There's also a role called Con Man that appears to be the opposite. They are mafia aligned, but investigate as town, and reveal as town when condemned.
I'm confused about what you're saying here:
fusibaseball wrote:degaston wrote:Assuming for the moment that he is this role, what would you tell him about it if you were the mod?
Would you just tell him that he is a Vanilla Townie?
If I was the mod and wanted to use this role,
I would tell the player they are a Vanilla Townie so there is legitimate deception.
pmchugh wrote:It's also worth noting this is role madness, you can't tell someone they are vanilla.
This is on the money.
It doesn't make much sense to tell a player they're a Vanilla Townie in this setup.
You seem to be wanting to have it both ways here. You would tell him he's Vanilla Townie, but you admit that that doesn't make sense?
fusibaseball wrote:LC was not told he's a Vanilla Townie because he's claiming Fall Guy.
So this player is claiming to be Town-aligned, and is legitimately town-aligned, but is revealed to Mafia to be town-aligned at the start of the game. How is there any deception in any of that? Aside from Mafia gaining knowledge that this player isn't 3rd party and is in fact Town, in which case the role is actually somewhat anti-Town because it garners Mafia concrete intel while not making up ground for Town. The component that it will appear as Scum upon death serves as an additional anti-Town function because it creates an additional layer of confusion for Town that would not exist for Scum.
TLDR I don't get the role. Seems made up
All roles are made up.
But yes, Fall Guy would be considered an "anti-town" role. That doesn't mean that the player is anti-town, but their role may be disadvantageous to town in some way.
In this case, it could confuse us about how many scum there actually are, and/or how many we've killed. And it can also reduce the effectiveness of the Cop, though there might be other roles that could reveal more info about him. For example, a Role Cop (which I don't find in mafia.gg, but I have seen elsewhere) or Hypnotist.
Or this could be a whole lot of talk for nothing if LC is just lying scum.