Best (Randomness) Of 2012 Game Over!

[rishaed]

Unvote vote Hank As much as I am for lynching Doom, I want a claim from Hank, Hes been posting 1-liners that contribute absolutely nothing, keeping just about every opinion he has to himself, and doesn't even care to defend himself when people are voting him. I would rather keep Doom around b/c he is posting, and is bringing conversation to the table, while hank hasn't really done that.

If you want a claim, I'll give you one I am Julia, Town Doctor from C9. I feel like while I don't post often, I still am by no means the least active in the game.

I'm inclined to believe this. D1 is a mess now. Pegging two protective roles isn't the greatest. Lynching him doesn't exactly make sense, not a claimed Doc. However next time, don't claim so easy, let us bring you to L-2. Defend yourself first, claim as a last resort. If you are the Doc, I would much rather you keep your role a secret than to out yourself so easily. Look at me and Doom, we both had wagon's and I claimed only because I was brought to L-2, Doom still hasn't claimed so, and has stated he would much rather not claim. The things in blue are from earlier. READ why people are accusing you, its why I thought you were scummy. You don't have to post an extreme amount, however Activity is not the only thing to be worried about, its Contribution. As they say we take QUALITY over QUANTITY. I like well thought out posts that clearly, and concisely state what their opinion is, and/or why they are voting. I didn't peg you because you were inactive, its because you weren't saying anything of any meaningful value IMO.
unvote

[Nebuchadnezer]

vote Hank, he's lying.

[rishaed]

Ok, I can assume you are either A. Counterclaiming/ B.Scum trying to lynch him. Either way I will know once we lynch him so with that vote Hank

[gregwolf121]

i think it fair to point out that since this game the roles were given out at random, with only a slight adjustment for balance, so it could be possible to have two town doctors,

[rishaed]

logically speaking from the OP yes, it is possible that we could have FOUR Doc's and nothing but Mafia goons, however Neb seems pretty sure that he is lying. I guess I should wait until he says why, but It gives us a good lead on tomorrow in either direction.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Well, crap...there is the randomness of it all...so do we really have a claimed doc and a body guard on day one? Were we that lucky that we happen to pressure two protective roles? I'm willing to test one of the claims. Given that Hank seemed to be the scummier of the two, I'm willing to go with him. If people really want to vote no lynch, let me know, and I'll take my vote off.

If the day were a bit longer we could have a better discussion...but...alas, we picked our noses for last few weeks putting off any decisions until deadline time. Fine. On the off chance Hank could be a doc...unvote

[spiesr]

Well, crap...there is the randomness of it all...so do we really have a claimed doc and a body guard on day one? Were we that lucky that we happen to pressure two protective roles? I'm willing to test one of the claims. Given that Hank seemed to be the scummier of the two, I'm willing to go with him. If people really want to vote no lynch, let me know, and I'll take my vote off.

If the day were a bit longer we could have a better discussion...but...alas, we picked our noses for last few weeks putting off any decisions until deadline time. Fine. On the off chance Hank could be a doc...unvote

Wait, your previous post sounded very certain on the matter.

vote Hank, he's lying.

What exactly happened that you were confident enough to declare that he was lying and now you aren't sure? You can't have made that earlier post based solely on there being a claimed bodyguard and doctor, can you? Is there something else?

[rishaed]

I am more than willing to color=green]unvote[/color] considering that he's not sure. As for lynching a claimed Doc,I'm not in favor of it at all.

[thechuck51]

unvote

I'm suspicious of hank claiming so quick but I'm reluctant to vote for a claimed doc. We do have to keep in mind however that there are an enormous number of fake claims that scum can use as the chances of them picking another role in this game has got to be some small fraction of a percent. What are the odds of having multiple docs picked out of all the roles from the past year? while possible it seems unlikely.

It seems we've reached a point where a no lynch may be our best option to prevent us from exposing a potential 3rd power role

[Nebuchadnezer]

Well, crap...there is the randomness of it all...so do we really have a claimed doc and a body guard on day one? Were we that lucky that we happen to pressure two protective roles? I'm willing to test one of the claims. Given that Hank seemed to be the scummier of the two, I'm willing to go with him. If people really want to vote no lynch, let me know, and I'll take my vote off.

If the day were a bit longer we could have a better discussion...but...alas, we picked our noses for last few weeks putting off any decisions until deadline time. Fine. On the off chance Hank could be a doc...unvote

Wait, your previous post sounded very certain on the matter.

vote Hank, he's lying.

What exactly happened that you were confident enough to declare that he was lying and now you aren't sure? You can't have made that earlier post based solely on there being a claimed bodyguard and doctor, can you? Is there something else?

Well, if I had to be pushed, I would vote for Hank. Claiming Doc was his only option...and since every role was given to us, he just has to pick a doc out of the hat and he's set. It's an easy out for mafia...I'll just trust that somebody can look at him tonight to either confirm or refute his claim.

[rishaed]

I am more than willing to unvote considering that he's not sure. As for lynching a claimed Doc,I'm not in favor of it at all.

EBWOP

Another thing. . . speisr you sound like you are fishing for information. Me and Hank have claimed so why the rush? It just makes things harder for me tonight. Either A. picking the right person. B. getting NK'd (thats the easy part).
Now If I had a confirmed Doc, and 3 players left, I would have a way to figure out who was mafia, however we have 12 players and more than one Mafia so it won't work. As things are vote NL. I probably won't be on all that much tomorrow.

[Hank44Soccer]

vote Hank, he's lying.

Why so certain?

[pancakemix]

vote Hank, he's lying.

Why so certain?

Did you really just not read, like, the whole page?

[DoomYoshi]

unvote vote no lynch

Damn, neb, i thought you had something. You shouldn't jump to conclusions, people might think we are multis.

[jonty125]

No Lynch (2) - rishaed; DoomYoshi
DoomYoshi (2) - spiesr; edocsil;
rishaed (1) - Kanin Usagi;
Hank44Soccer (1) - soundman;



With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch, as things stand a No Lynch will be enforced at deadline.

Deadline is Friday 25 January at 1600 GMT.

[soundman]

Well that claim is good enough for now. Unvote Vote No Lynch.

[jonty125]

DEADLINE HAS FALLEN!

No Lynch (3) - rishaed; DoomYoshi; soundman
DoomYoshi (2) - spiesr; edocsil;
rishaed (1) - Kanin Usagi;

The Gods of random and had picked the players, and now they would play this game. The game started off slowly and lots of prods were sent out. However, the game did begin to pick up. Two made claims. At the end of the day, the votes were counted. Three out of six voters wanted a no lynch, and that is what they got.

Night has fallen. Deadline for actions is Monday 28 January @ 1600 GMT.

[jonty125]

Soundman through his hat in the ring,
Just a confused Italian,
Been mistaken for the bad guys,
And then he got in the way.

He hid behind the wrong person,
The target spoke briefly,
"I didn't expect this,
But now you're in my way,"

Soundman's stare was holding,
Ripped skin, knife in heart.
Cold blood, wind was blowin'
"Where you think you're going?" sneered the killer

"Hey, I just met you,
And this is crazy,
But here's my blade,
In your heart, dead, maybe?"

9. soundman - Mafia Coward (Town Hider) has died

Later that night, in the Mafia Cave. The mafia discussed the results of the night, while dawn was approaching. Plan A had failed but not all was lost, due to an Italian, who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

With 11 alive, to takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is Saturday 9th February @ 1000 GMT.

[DoomYoshi]

Ok, it seems that soundman hid behind someone.

So, normally if a hider hides behind mafia, they die. Or if the person they hide behind is killed, they died.

Now, if the first case is true, there would have been 2 deaths, or a roleblock last night, and I don't think that is the case.

[spiesr]

All right from the scene it strongly looks like Soundman hid behind scum last Night, and that the normal mafia kill failed for some reason. The standard reasons for such a kill to fail are : doctor protection, roleblock, or bulletproof. Now, how do we figure out which it was?

Ok, it seems that soundman hid behind someone.

So, normally if a hider hides behind mafia, they die. Or if the person they hide behind is killed, they died.

Now, if the first case is true, there would have been 2 deaths, or a roleblock last night, and I don't think that is the case.

What exactly don't you think is the case, and why not?

[edocsil]

All right from the scene it strongly looks like Soundman hid behind scum last Night, and that the normal mafia kill failed for some reason. The standard reasons for such a kill to fail are : doctor protection, roleblock, or bulletproof. Now, how do we figure out which it was?

Ok, it seems that soundman hid behind someone.

So, normally if a hider hides behind mafia, they die. Or if the person they hide behind is killed, they died.

Now, if the first case is true, there would have been 2 deaths, or a roleblock last night, and I don't think that is the case.

What exactly don't you think is the case, and why not?

Has to be a death due to scum hide (Not my guess, but it's valid. No explanation for lack of scum kill then) or target was BP. A doc would keep the hider alive, all actions hit the hider. Roleblock + kill is possible but unlikely. It's complicated and unlikely, and assumes that roleblocks happens before hides, which isn't always the case.

My .02

[DoomYoshi]

All right from the scene it strongly looks like Soundman hid behind scum last Night, and that the normal mafia kill failed for some reason. The standard reasons for such a kill to fail are : doctor protection, roleblock, or bulletproof. Now, how do we figure out which it was?

Ok, it seems that soundman hid behind someone.

So, normally if a hider hides behind mafia, they die. Or if the person they hide behind is killed, they died.

Now, if the first case is true, there would have been 2 deaths, or a roleblock last night, and I don't think that is the case.

What exactly don't you think is the case, and why not?

Later that night, in the Mafia Cave. The mafia discussed the results of the night, while dawn was approaching. Plan A had failed but not all was lost, due to an Italian, who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

This implies to me that the mafia had a proactive kill, although on second reading it doesn't seem as clear.

[rishaed]

Later that night, in the Mafia Cave. The mafia discussed the results of the night, while dawn was approaching. Plan A had failed but not all was lost, due to an Italian, who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

This implies to me that the mafia had a proactive kill, although on second reading it doesn't seem as clear.

This sounds like the NK failed, however since soundman hid behind scum he died. Thus Plan A "failed" but not all was lost. I'm not sure if I should say who i protected last night though. If I was mafia I would have tried a NK on Neb. (the whole he's lying mistake). We may have quite a few protective roles/ or all protective roles could be out. I honestly don't know what to think.

[thechuck51]

Question for the mod:

If there was a save or roleblock or any other action that would directly prevent a kill would it be reflected in the scene?

[Iron Butterfly]

Soundman did not die "passivly"

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Hider

He was brutally killed with a knife to the heart so this is not just him hiding behind a non town role.