However, after musing on this for a while (provoked by someone calling my logic flawed ) I have changed my mind and believe rodions behavior to be very town - it would be very bold for scum to try and openly manipulate what is an unknown; I think the odds of him being scum are small (unless he's some kind of horse master SK and this is his own roles doing...). So unvote.
One time Rodion and pmchugh spent at least a dozen multiple paragraph posts ripping into each other as they both were scum. A bold play from Rodion isn't to be unexpected.
Lootifer wrote:However, after musing on this for a while (provoked by someone calling my logic flawed ) I have changed my mind and believe rodions behavior to be very town - it would be very bold for scum to try and openly manipulate what is an unknown; I think the odds of him being scum are small (unless he's some kind of horse master SK and this is his own roles doing...). So unvote.
Meh, I wouldn't consider his actions with the horse thing to point towards Rodion being town in any significant way. Him doing something like that is entirely within how I would expect Rodion to play independent of alignment.
thx fpr not passsing the horse to me when i was away for the weekend and even posted that in last message with the new rule it might have killed me.
With the new rule i also think we should move from the horse discussion and let it be how its gonna be. I think it now is pretty random and there are so many things that can happen / change last minute that i think we can talk about it but in the end it probably doesnt go the way that is intended anyway. instead we should focus more on our power to lynch someone, i believe thursday is the deadline so will be 4 more days to decide. if we dont reach majority (we probably wont) the player with the most votes is lynched. i hope we can atleast get someone to 6+ because with only a few vote 3-4, the lynch would be not giving us much reads.
My first vote goes to jak, because in the other game he is gave a lot of input but here he hasnt given any. weak typical day 1 case, i admit. but its day 1, lets get some votes out and get some discussion vote jak111
spiesr wrote:So, Anarkistsdream has been horseless for well over 24 hours now. So he will die and the end of Day 1 now? Should he return before that time will he be able to steal another player's horse, thus opening up the possibility of additional deaths?
I wouldn't think so, I think the 4 of us with horses rode far enough away he can't catch us now lol. I sure hope so anyway... wouldn't be very fair otherwise.
Well, technically killing him now is even more unfair. He hasn't posted in the threat since the rule change so he probably doesn't know. PCM will decide.
^^This. Especially considering his previous post. I'm giving a reprieve this time.
virus90 wrote:With the new rule i also think we should move from the horse discussion and let it be how its gonna be. I think it now is pretty random and there are so many things that can happen / change last minute that i think we can talk about it but in the end it probably doesnt go the way that is intended anyway. instead we should focus more on our power to lynch someone, i believe thursday is the deadline so will be 4 more days to decide. if we dont reach majority (we probably wont) the player with the most votes is lynched. i hope we can atleast get someone to 6+ because with only a few vote 3-4, the lynch would be not giving us much reads.
My first vote goes to jak, because in the other game he is gave a lot of input but here he hasnt given any. weak typical day 1 case, i admit. but its day 1, lets get some votes out and get some discussion vote jak111
So virus wants a wagon of at least six. Not that I am opposed to pressuring someone to get a claim, but it seems he chose nearly randomly... He admits his case is weak. Where is jak though? I agree he should be around and contributing more. (Not that there has been much contribution in this game so far from anyone, myself included. Likely from the lack of scum reads) But lynching an inactive really doesn't provide that much for reads in my experience. I understand how pressure can make them active, but a prod should be just as effective at that and you appear to be desiring more of just a lynch. I recognize you said after your vote that it is for discussion, but I still got the feeling from your post that you want this to be a lynch. Jak was much more active in that other game, but not really on the first day. I really don't like meta cases, because each game is different and we shouldn't expect the players in this game to read that one, or all of jak's for that matter to understand his meta. This is just a personal preference.
As for the horse game... the players are: TA1LGUNN3R- been pretty active imo, and I haven't had an issue with anything he has posted Anarkistsdream- not so active, promises a post today, clearly hadn't read yet Rodion- was going to hold the potato, which is totally reasonable imo. Why would you want to risk randomness killing you when you could have some semblance of control over it. Not really alignment indicative HotShot53- hasn't made much of an impression on me, some posts, nothing earth-shattering virus90- I agree with his desire to start some pressure, but I think we can use the horse to the town's advantage. And I say we do that by using a "horse vote." It may be hard to actually get it to work perfectly, but we should be able to learn a little from how it turns out the last day. So I will horse vote virus, (brownish color because horses are brownish ) because using virus' own words, "lets get some votes out and get some discussion"
strike wolf wrote:Could it potentially backfire? Well we could choose you as the hot potato but even then you would probably elect to pass it off at the last second though that would make you a fairly quick lynch the next day.
And he is already preparing to get around that by having basically declared that he will not accept the town trying make him hold onto the bomb as it goes off; not that I can really blame him for that.
Even if he did, Rodion is a good player. I'd rather he live and if he's on our side help us than die D1 with no chance.
I still feel like the whole thing is a scum/3rd party power of some sort... A little time spent over at EM, there was one third party roll, this creepy little girl that gives out a doll at the start of the game, the doll can be passed around, if the person with the doll dies the little girl wins and everyone else loses.
Perhaps a similar mechanic here with some sort of twist (kill so many people, kill certain people, etc).
strike wolf wrote:
edocsil wrote:Quote
Sorry, I forgot that's your tendency to try to stir the pot.
Well, I'm in the game, so the pot shall be stirred one way or another..
HotShot53 wrote:Wow, a lot of activity so far... it's looking like some people are moving past the joke vote stage slightly already, so I won't bother with a joke vote at this point.
I like the idea of having assigned people to watch activity of one other person... with this many people it would be way too easy for people to start scummarizing a lot. So are we using the original list, or the revised looped list? The looped list obviously works better with the idea of replacing the person you were watching... so based on that I'll be watching strike instead of jak. I guess jak proposed the revision just because he didn't want me watching him... lol. As strike came up with the idea I'm guessing I should have an easy job anyway
Watch me all you'd like, <.< I'm VERY active, more so than most people tend to be. I just suggested the whole thing to go in a giant line, then the system actually would never fail. A part of the train disappears but the piece behind it just goes against the piece in front of the one gone. Much more efficient too when you got a whole line of people watching the one ahead of them.
Nebuchadnezer wrote:Okay, I'll tag Jak...even though Anark hasn't showed up yet.
Again, do you really need to watch me? XD I think everyone knows how often I post.
Anyway, these comments were as I read down the pages.
pcm fixed the game, though I am curious as to the participants, tomorrow I wish to look at the participants again and see if any are the same, perhaps one may be the original guy without a horse?
Another note, I've played with pretty much ALL of you (besides 1-2 maybe XD). So be forewarned, I'm mixing up my approach this game.. hopefully. I hate being the center of talk mid-game with people tunneling always because of my theories. XD Like the theory I have already made about this whole horse game.
(Note: This post was written TWO days ago, I was gonna add more to this but I just want my post out and I will catch up.
jak111 wrote:I still feel like the whole thing is a scum/3rd party power of some sort... A little time spent over at EM, there was one third party roll, this creepy little girl that gives out a doll at the start of the game, the doll can be passed around, if the person with the doll dies the little girl wins and everyone else loses.
Pancakemix has, in past games, sometimes had various events that mix things up & keep it interesting. My current theory is that this is one of those. We won't really know until we see if it reoccurs in some form during later Days. I mean maybe somebody picked Jigsaw as their character or something.
there is the post i hoped for:) so unvote jak111 a modprod is also a option indeed whatsausage, but i got the feeling that a vote works just as well most of the times, if it doesn't, you know its time for a modprod. i hoped for a reaction from jak and i got it, a little to soon to my liking even. that's because i also hoped for some more people jumping on, or condemning, cause that gives me some reads as well. things have to be stirred up a little in my opinion. been away for the weekend and hoped to see things heading somewhere but apart from the horse discussion -> new 24 hour rule not much has happened. and we need to start moving. thursday = lynchday.
OK... THANK YOU, PCM, for helping me out... You guys should know that I haven't had any time to do anything, so please forgive me... Changing jobs...
So, this is what I wrote out while reading the thread.
I have a horse
Strike suggested we watch another player, so I am fine with watching Aage…
On the potato note: it would seem to me that, regardless of if it is a mechanic or a role, it was made up by PCM and not a player… We were just supposed to send in characters and pics, not the role that they would be. That was for Pancake to make up. Second, what does everyone think about the choices made for the horse game each day? Does PCM choose randomly? Does he choose two town and three scum, or vice versa? This mechanic may be to towns advantage considering it should help us determine what groups are active – cults, mafia one, mafia two (if applicable), town, etc…
edocsil wrote:FOS lootifer for logic that I find lacking. I think it is safe to assume the "horse" is a player ability, not a mod one.
I disagree completely, due to what I said above… NOBODY chose their role… Just their character. And even then, it was a one out of three shot to get any character.
Whatsausage wrote:Well rodion beat me to it, but yes spiesr, it appears no one else mentioned your comment. Do you have any knowledge as to why you cannot vote?
I demand to get in a joke vote!Vote anark before he says that he is never scum
I am never scum... But for once I am not a VANILLA TOWNIE!!! YAYYYYYY!
I don’t like the way everyone is talking about this as a game of hot potato…. The problem with that is that you toss it to someone else and when the time is up, that person is out… This is about TAKING, not GIVING… And there are FOUR potatoes, not one… So the game mechanics are not very related, in my opinion.
And Rodion, That's my horse!
virus90 wrote: I think Anarkist is a valuable asset to any game.
jak111 wrote: Even if he did, Rodion is a good player. I'd rather he live and if he's on our side help us than die D1 with no chance.
Another note, I've played with pretty much ALL of you (besides 1-2 maybe XD). So be forewarned, I'm mixing up my approach this game.. hopefully. I hate being the center of talk mid-game with people tunneling always because of my theories. XD Like the theory I have already made about this whole horse game.
So being a good player excuses him from interegation?
And why do you need to mention that you will be changing your meta? I don't know your meta but to me it sounds like an excuse for you to appear differently to those who do. You say several times that you are active and pot stirrer and then you say you are going to play differently? So no pot stirring from you or what?
Sorry but my internet was sown this weekend. Anyways after re reading the Horse Game I am confused.
"That's My Horse is a traditional game from The Old Country. In it, players take ownership of the "horse" from another player. The player left without a horse is the loser.
In other words, it's Hot Potato. Pass the potato along by posting "[player name], that's my horse!" The person with the potato at the end of the day will be killed."
Players TAKE the horse from another player. Not give. The player left without a horse is the loser.
The person with the potato/horse at the end of the day will be killed."
like Anarch said in an earlier post Hot potato is about passing a potato and the loser is the one with the potato when the music stops. The rules seem to contradict themselves.
Iron Butterfly wrote:Sorry but my internet was sown this weekend. Anyways after re reading the Horse Game I am confused.
"That's My Horse is a traditional game from The Old Country. In it, players take ownership of the "horse" from another player. The player left without a horse is the loser.
In other words, it's Hot Potato. Pass the potato along by posting "[player name], that's my horse!" The person with the potato at the end of the day will be killed."
Players TAKE the horse from another player. Not give. The player left without a horse is the loser.
The person with the potato/horse at the end of the day will be killed."
like Anarch said in an earlier post Hot potato is about passing a potato and the loser is the one with the potato when the music stops. The rules seem to contradict themselves.
So glad I am not on my own on this one. The tactics that evdryone has talked about do not have much bearing with the odd rule system.
virus90 wrote: I think Anarkist is a valuable asset to any game.
Anarkistsdream wrote:I don’t like the way everyone is talking about this as a game of hot potato…. The problem with that is that you toss it to someone else and when the time is up, that person is out… This is about TAKING, not GIVING… And there are FOUR potatoes, not one… So the game mechanics are not very related, in my opinion.
And Rodion, That's my horse!
Taking someone's horse is functionally identical to giving them the hot potato. The "lack of horse" is the potato. Thus by taking Rodion's horse you have given him the metaphorical potato.
Anarkistsdream wrote:On the potato note: it would seem to me that, regardless of if it is a mechanic or a role, it was made up by PCM and not a player… We were just supposed to send in characters and pics, not the role that they would be. That was for Pancake to make up. Second, what does everyone think about the choices made for the horse game each day? Does PCM choose randomly? Does he choose two town and three scum, or vice versa? This mechanic may be to towns advantage considering it should help us determine what groups are active – cults, mafia one, mafia two (if applicable), town, etc…
edocsil wrote:FOS lootifer for logic that I find lacking. I think it is safe to assume the "horse" is a player ability, not a mod one.
I disagree completely, due to what I said above… NOBODY chose their role… Just their character.
Well, yeah pancakemix made every role, but the question is: Is the game a direct effect of someone's role or just a random event.
Anarkistsdream wrote:And even then, it was a one out of three shot to get any character.
@virus, sorry, was typing up the post, then ended up moving a bunch of stuff for two days, buzzed one night after a few drinks. When I came back, I said screw replying to everything since, might as well post what I had and see if my reads change as I caught up. Not much happened so they didn't.
@DoomYoshi, read the @virus tag.
@Zivel, people use meta-gaming a lot. This is my 2nd played game back, Deciding to switch it up a little to try something new. But no, stuff will be stirred regardless, just more of a casual approach to it instead of putting my theories all out the second I think them up, giving the baddies things to hide behind. Right now my theory that I am willing to give out is the theory about this horse game. It's TOO random to just be a mod game to me. Someone somehow is making it happen.
Also Zivel, no one is really interrogating Rodion, nor have I said it's a bad thing. I said I'd rather he live D1 instead of die stupidly when he's more useful to town than most people realise.
Well, that was quick to reply to.
Anyway. Whoever brought up the original idea of only having one kill by lynching the guy without the horse... you know we can just vote no lynch and hammer no lynch when the guy without the horse does not have a horse right?
7. You may vote ‘no lynch’ to end the day without a death.
Herp Derp.
FP'd by spiesr.
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This horse game is more of a distraction than anything else and has become more of a hinderance to town than a help as it is taking away from any real discussion.
Jak111 I know people use meta gaming a lot and thats why I find your post saying you are going to change your meta up odd. Why put it out there? It feels like you are anticipating pressure and giving yourself a way to distance yourself from your meta (a reason to act odd), or an excuse to not scum hunt as much as you normally do.
Anarkistsdream wrote:I don’t like the way everyone is talking about this as a game of hot potato…. The problem with that is that you toss it to someone else and when the time is up, that person is out… This is about TAKING, not GIVING… And there are FOUR potatoes, not one… So the game mechanics are not very related, in my opinion.
I know spiesr covered this, but just to double clarify: the mechanics are exactly the same with wording being the only difference. While it is true the you could equate the horses to potatoes making four potatoes, but then the person without a potato is the one who would lose the game when time runs out (or get killed in this instance). So the wording is opposite, but the function of someone being "it" (ie: having the hot potato or not having a horse) and then they choose another player to pass the condition of being "it" on to. So while you are technically "taking" a horse, you are still "giving" the condition to one of your choice. And this goes around and around until time runs out. While pcm put it in the game as a random function, just like in hot potato [and any game for that matter (excluding war)], there can be strategy. So I believe we should use it to our advantage, hence my "horse vote" that no one has talked about
FP'd twice
pcm, wanna check your VC on rodion? you say he has two votes, but only list one
Anarkistsdream wrote:I don’t like the way everyone is talking about this as a game of hot potato…. The problem with that is that you toss it to someone else and when the time is up, that person is out… This is about TAKING, not GIVING… And there are FOUR potatoes, not one… So the game mechanics are not very related, in my opinion.
And Rodion, That's my horse!
Taking someone's horse is functionally identical to giving them the hot potato. The "lack of horse" is the potato. Thus by taking Rodion's horse you have given him the metaphorical potato.
Anarkistsdream wrote:On the potato note: it would seem to me that, regardless of if it is a mechanic or a role, it was made up by PCM and not a player… We were just supposed to send in characters and pics, not the role that they would be. That was for Pancake to make up. Second, what does everyone think about the choices made for the horse game each day? Does PCM choose randomly? Does he choose two town and three scum, or vice versa? This mechanic may be to towns advantage considering it should help us determine what groups are active – cults, mafia one, mafia two (if applicable), town, etc…
edocsil wrote:FOS lootifer for logic that I find lacking. I think it is safe to assume the "horse" is a player ability, not a mod one.
I disagree completely, due to what I said above… NOBODY chose their role… Just their character.
Well, yeah pancakemix made every role, but the question is: Is the game a direct effect of someone's role or just a random event.
Anarkistsdream wrote:And even then, it was a one out of three shot to get any character.
What?
Reread what he asked for dude... it isn't that hard... when he posted about this game, he said send three characters, of which he would choose one and make a role for... if PCM did not do this, then I call shenanigans and am a bit pissed off.
virus90 wrote: I think Anarkist is a valuable asset to any game.
Whatsausage wrote:So I believe we should use it to our advantage, hence my "horse vote" that no one has talked about
My last post about these bloody donkeys!
So your plan is to ask the most suspicous person (voted by us) to sacrifice themselves for the good of the town? Sounds like there is no loopholes in that plan......
Okay, I see now. Having been the 2 previous CYOC games, and thus familiar with the role creation aspect, I didn't look deeply enough at the rules to notice that this line:
pancakemix wrote:- The name of a character (by "character", I mean any person, being, or object (or group thereof), living or dead, real or fictitious, sentient or not. Anything. Up to you)
Had been replaced with this:
pancakemix wrote:- The name(s) of up to three character(s) (by "character", I mean any person, being, or object (or group thereof), living or dead, real or fictitious, sentient or not. Anything. Up to you)
spiesr wrote:Okay, I see now. Having been the 2 previous CYOC games, and thus familiar with the role creation aspect, I didn't look deeply enough at the rules to notice that this line:
pancakemix wrote:- The name of a character (by "character", I mean any person, being, or object (or group thereof), living or dead, real or fictitious, sentient or not. Anything. Up to you)
Had been replaced with this:
pancakemix wrote:- The name(s) of up to three character(s) (by "character", I mean any person, being, or object (or group thereof), living or dead, real or fictitious, sentient or not. Anything. Up to you)
I apologise.
Skimmers always bother me... especially about the most important post... rules...
virus90 wrote: I think Anarkist is a valuable asset to any game.
Anarkistsdream wrote:I don’t like the way everyone is talking about this as a game of hot potato…. The problem with that is that you toss it to someone else and when the time is up, that person is out… This is about TAKING, not GIVING… And there are FOUR potatoes, not one… So the game mechanics are not very related, in my opinion.
And Rodion, That's my horse!
Taking someone's horse is functionally identical to giving them the hot potato. The "lack of horse" is the potato. Thus by taking Rodion's horse you have given him the metaphorical potato.
Anarkistsdream wrote:On the potato note: it would seem to me that, regardless of if it is a mechanic or a role, it was made up by PCM and not a player… We were just supposed to send in characters and pics, not the role that they would be. That was for Pancake to make up. Second, what does everyone think about the choices made for the horse game each day? Does PCM choose randomly? Does he choose two town and three scum, or vice versa? This mechanic may be to towns advantage considering it should help us determine what groups are active – cults, mafia one, mafia two (if applicable), town, etc…
edocsil wrote:FOS lootifer for logic that I find lacking. I think it is safe to assume the "horse" is a player ability, not a mod one.
I disagree completely, due to what I said above… NOBODY chose their role… Just their character.
Well, yeah pancakemix made every role, but the question is: Is the game a direct effect of someone's role or just a random event.
Anarkistsdream wrote:And even then, it was a one out of three shot to get any character.
What?
Reread what he asked for dude... it isn't that hard... when he posted about this game, he said send three characters, of which he would choose one and make a role for... if PCM did not do this, then I call shenanigans and am a bit pissed off.
Up to three characters. I only sent in one.
Anyway, I agree with Zivel. Y'all are using the horse game as an excuse to avoid other discussions.
) I have changed my mind and believe rodions behavior to be very town - it would be very bold for scum to try and openly manipulate what is an unknown; I think the odds of him being scum are small (unless he's some kind of horse master SK and this is his own roles doing...). So unvote.
) because using virus' own words, "lets get some votes out and get some discussion"
