Skyrim Mafia Endgame: Hail Sithis! (3/18) Skyrim Wins!

[kageryuu]

I don't joke like joke votes anymore. The novelty has worn off.

I am a believer of letting the game evolve organically. I have no fear that the game will peter out due to lack of discussion. At this point it is what it is.

Trust me when I say that when I believe something is important I will comment.

well, I guess I shall remove my joke vote, and save my vote until i see/read something that warrants a serious vote, so for now Unvote

[XenHu]

Yea I really didn't feel like going through all the PC vs xbox mod dragonfire nerd rage so I just went off what someone else quoted. Dazza did say that before we got our roles. I was just going off what Xenhu said, using that as FOS Dazza. I assumed Xenhu had common sense. I was wrong.

So, wait a minute. You read what I wrote, and then FOS Dazza based on an assumption that you made:

If anything I would assume dazza has a shitty boring VT role since he wanted to quit. Don't see him jumping ship being mafia godfather.

....and when someone points out to you that your assumption was based on false evidence, somehow it becomes my fault?

RIght on.

Considering I had written up a pretty good explaination for my vote, for you to just piggyback off of me(not even my vote explaination at that, you went off of my reasons for an FOS) and then try to throw me under the bus when you get called out for not paying attention is pretty brazen.

Now, on to the subject of Dazza.

Dazza, I have read your response to my vote. Here's the problem I am having right now. Mafia, as a game, often brings player's reputation into question, when considering when to vote, how to judge tells and what-have-you. The problem is, outside of a few, most of the players here are new to me, thus, I do not know what your past behaviour is like in other games. All I have to go on is what I see here. Yes, there are inactive players, as has been stated. That, I believe, is another issue which is making it difficult for me to judge your case. But here's the rub: Someone gets called out as inactive and we either get something like this:

I don't joke like joke votes anymore. The novelty has worn off.

I am a believer of letting the game evolve organically. I have no fear that the game will peter out due to lack of discussion. At this point it is what it is.

Trust me when I say that when I believe something is important I will comment.

Or we don't hear anything from a particular player, in which case they are truly inactive(and should be prodded, IMO). The problem with the above quote, and indeed, your response Dazza, is that, if we all took your stance, we wouldn't have a game at all. You have to spend a portion of Day 1 chewing the fat. Or there won't be a game to play at all. And often a good way to judge people early on is to see who hops in right away and starts talking crap in Day 1, and those that decide to sit around until a bunch of slip-ups have been made. Then they make one or two posts about how they think so-and-so is scum, vote, then shirk off until they can repeat the process later. Hell, you can even quote me as saying:

0_0

Two weeks of day one? Sweet Christ!

-X

Ugh, I forgot about this. Probably my least favorite part of the game.

Oh, what the hell. I have absolutely no knowledge of the setting whatsoever, but you can go ahead and throw my name into the hat.

Let''s see if this old crow has any fight left in him.

-X

I also can't stand Day 1, and I also don't have any knowledge of the theme. Yet, here I am, still posting. That's the point.
Anyways, I've gone on long enough.

Unvote
FOS: Cowboyz, Dazza, Jak

Dazza, you are off the hook in my eyes, for now at least. I'll have to wait and see what Day 2 brings. Whoever's corpse we find the next day will greatly influence my opinion of a few people, if indeed I am not killed in the night myself. Jak, earlier, it sounded like you were rushing everyone for a quick-lynch, and then, when the votes started flying you seem to just add your tally to the name that's highest. You are also defending Dazza's earlier lack of participation with:

The same could be said for you "Justify a bandwagon vote", though what I said, whether you believe it or not, is 100% true reason. It's early on in D1 and he calls people out for inactivity when he hasn't been that active himself. So either a.) He's a hypocrite or b.) He's a hypocrite. Whether it be for inactivity or "Not wanting to bother with the nerdtalk" Dazza has said he understands nothing of it, that's why he's not bothering with the talk too much. Prove me wrong and I'll withdrawl my vote from Cowboyz.

Lacking the knowledge of a theme has nothing to do with Day 1 activity and can not be used as a scapegoat!. Case in point: Look up MountainLion's The Departed mafia game(It's in the archives, no I will not link it). I had(at the time), ZERO knowledge of the theme. And I was just as active then as I am now.

Now, it's late. I just got home from work and will have to work again early in the morning. I need some time to think about where my vote is going to go.

-X

[/]

Vote Cowboyz (FIRST SERIOUS VOTE OF THE DAY) because he mentions pressuring inactives while being generally inactive himself. So this seems a bit hypocritical. He then goes on to say he's too lazy to check.. It's a 13 page game so far mate, with even LESS when you go to where it started yet.

YAY, things getting serious when I said I wanted them to ~Feels special~

Ehm, no he isn't? He jus said he didn't want to bother with the nerdtalk. I don't think it's fair to call that inactivity. By that argument, you ought to be voting dazza. Sounds to me like you're trying to justify a bandwagon vote.

Unvote Vote Jak

What? how is it a bandwagon vote? Only jonty (and edoc's joke) is on him besides jak in an 18 player game! Overreaction + "you should be voting x instead of x" redirection post, very conspicuous unvote vote Pancake

Dazza did say that before we got our roles. I was just going off what Xenhu said, using that as FOS Dazza. I assumed Xenhu had common sense. I was wrong. Either way, Im sure we have more inactive than Dazza, too lazy to count em up atm but I will eventually.

Why do I sometimes feel like I am the only one able to read English on this forum? Xenhu's FOS had jack squat about weather or not dazza wanted to quit, he was calling him out because he said

I don't care so I just skimmed everything.

as does everyone else apparently

Fastposted by xenhu, "votes started flying" where are votes "flying"? it takes freaking 10 people to lynch and there are like four people with serious votes! On different people no less! are you just trying to sound popular by mentioning pancake's imaginary bandwagon?
I don't like it if he's defending dazza though, I personally interpreted it differently when I read it, but we'll have to hear his own defense for that.

I think I may as well start posting in the Dragon Language...

[jonty125]

unvote vote cowboyz, it seems like he's protecting mafia GF and skimming (dazza never said he wanted to quit).

Can I drop out please? I wanted to play but I think this will be one of these games where everyone is talking about flavour and I get lost and bored and not have fun.

Sorry.

Who's skimming now?

Skimming does not = mafia. Just = boring day 1 nonsense. True it is better if everyone is 100% in the game and paying attention to every little detail but again, day 1

The dazza quote was in signups.

[kageryuu]

I think I may as well start posting in the Dragon Language...

unfortunately the forum doesn't support dragon script, so I had to do it the roundabout way

[kageryuu]

I think jrl332005 needs a prod, only one who hasn't given everywhere116 a confirmation, and hasn't posted since april 23 (in this thread) and april 25th (in another thread)

[/]

I think I may as well start posting in the Dragon Language...

You mean like this?

Not like that, using the official dragon language too obviously
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Language
Wait, why did I just spend five minutes translating that? Zu'u Aan Mey

[kageryuu]

I think I may as well start posting in the Dragon Language...

You mean like this?

Not like that, using the official dragon language too obviously
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Language
Wait, why did I just spend five minutes translating that? Zu'u Aan Mey

because if you didn't, who would? and that does not make you a fool

[crazymilkshake5]

Maybe he had to much time?

[dazza2008]

I never said I was using my lack of knowledge of the game to be inactive and I have not been inactive.

I simply said I did not know and was not interested in it. I certainly dit not say it was beneath me Leehar.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I never said I was using my lack of knowledge of the game to be inactive and I have not been inactive.

I simply said I did not know and was not interested in it. I certainly dit not say it was beneath me Leehar.

+1
i havent been to active in this joke voting. i have this game but dont find this kind of joke voting useful at all therefor i have kept quiet i think its about to get serious though so ill be posting more

[pancakemix]

Vote Cowboyz (FIRST SERIOUS VOTE OF THE DAY) because he mentions pressuring inactives while being generally inactive himself. So this seems a bit hypocritical. He then goes on to say he's too lazy to check.. It's a 13 page game so far mate, with even LESS when you go to where it started yet.

YAY, things getting serious when I said I wanted them to ~Feels special~

Ehm, no he isn't? He jus said he didn't want to bother with the nerdtalk. I don't think it's fair to call that inactivity. By that argument, you ought to be voting dazza. Sounds to me like you're trying to justify a bandwagon vote.

Unvote Vote Jak

What? how is it a bandwagon vote? Only jonty (and edoc's joke) is on him besides jak in an 18 player game! Overreaction + "you should be voting x instead of x" redirection post, very conspicuous unvote vote Pancake

1. That was the fourth vote. Mine was still on cowboyz. The fourth can be enough to get some momentum going on a lynch. I disagree that that could be considered an overreaction.
2. I didn't say he should be voting dazza, I said the logic applies just as well. You sure you're reading everything?

[pancakemix]

The same could be said for you "Justify a bandwagon vote", though what I said, whether you believe it or not, is 100% true reason. It's early on in D1 and he calls people out for inactivity when he hasn't been that active himself. So either a.) He's a hypocrite or b.) He's a hypocrite. Whether it be for inactivity or "Not wanting to bother with the nerdtalk" Dazza has said he understands nothing of it, that's why he's not bothering with the talk too much. Prove me wrong and I'll withdrawl my vote from Cowboyz.

Except for it's not true that he's been inactive. Look back at his posts.

April 30: Confirms
May 1: Joke votes XenHu
May 2: Joke votes himself
May 3: The "Dazza shitty role" comment
May 4: Defends himself, then starts asking about inactives.

He's not inactive. He's been here every day.

[jak111]

The same could be said for you "Justify a bandwagon vote", though what I said, whether you believe it or not, is 100% true reason. It's early on in D1 and he calls people out for inactivity when he hasn't been that active himself. So either a.) He's a hypocrite or b.) He's a hypocrite. Whether it be for inactivity or "Not wanting to bother with the nerdtalk" Dazza has said he understands nothing of it, that's why he's not bothering with the talk too much. Prove me wrong and I'll withdrawl my vote from Cowboyz.

Except for it's not true that he's been inactive. Look back at his posts.

April 30: Confirms
May 1: Joke votes XenHu
May 2: Joke votes himself
May 3: The "Dazza shitty role" comment
May 4: Defends himself, then starts asking about inactives.

He's not inactive. He's been here every day.

Yea I really didn't feel like going through all the PC vs xbox mod dragonfire nerd rage so I just went off what someone else quoted. Dazza did say that before we got our roles. I was just going off what Xenhu said, using that as FOS Dazza. I assumed Xenhu had common sense. I was wrong. Either way, Im sure we have more inactive than Dazza, too lazy to count em up atm but I will eventually.


Now, onto the best part, wait for it...

I don't know, it may just be me, but I count activity as reading the posts as well. But you know, that's oldschool stuff

As for Dazza, I am not protecting him, I am merely stating that the REASONS for going after him could be put on way more than just him, + the guys who even mentioned why they'd go after Dazza. Like seriously. If someone's going to make a FOS or Bandwagon on someone, they shouldn't be a hypocrite about it.

Am I the only one who actually caught the contradictory idea? I guess so, not going to FOS PCM, but I am going to be keeping an eye on him from now on. He's either missing this, skimming it, or defending Cowboyz. (Which is another hypocritical thing I love. He assumes I'm defending Dazza, yet I'm just stating things, while in his assumption he is making a ditch effort to defend Cowboyz).

[pancakemix]

- I didin't say or suggest you were protecting Dazza. I was pointing out that the same logic applies to that case (The fact that you assumed I thought that is interesting to me).
- I'm not defending cowboyz, I'm on you for bandwagoning. Strawman much?
- Skimming =/= inactivity. Why didn't you just go after him for skimming? Don't make me argue about definitions again (See: PKMN Chap 2)

Either way, I fail to see how there's a difference between dazza's and cowboyz's reactions. Neither of them gives a f*ck about Skyrim. What's the difference?

[jak111]

Either way, I fail to see how there's a difference between dazza's and cowboyz's reactions. Neither of them gives a f*ck about Skyrim. What's the difference?

This sums up my argument in your own words. One can`t go after the other for the exact reason that they`re not posting much.

[pancakemix]

Either way, I fail to see how there's a difference between dazza's and cowboyz's reactions. Neither of them gives a f*ck about Skyrim. What's the difference?

This sums up my argument in your own words. One can`t go after the other for the exact reason that they`re not posting much.

They're not after each other. Cowboyz even said there were better things to talk about than dazza. You keep saying they're inactive but it does not mean what you think it means.



Nevermind the fact that you completely ignored the first half of my post.

[jak111]

I did not ignore it, there's just not much to say to it. I'd rather not be involved in a fight every D1 game I'm in so I picked out what mattered. However, you seem to be nudging more against me, so my question is. Where did I say they were at each other? Read back to where this first started. I mentioned Dazza in my posts because Cowboyz mentioned him in his, he did not state the other names so whom else should I talk about?

What you keep failing to realize, which to me is a pretty simple thing to get if you read it, is that Cowboyz called Dazza out on something that he was doing himself.

I'm not adding anything more to the above sentence because you'll lose the main message somewhere along the line.

[pancakemix]

Where did I say they were at each other?

In your previous post.

This sums up my argument in your own words. One can`t go after the other for the exact reason that they`re not posting much.

And in your next paragraph, immediately after you asked that question.

What you keep failing to realize, which to me is a pretty simple thing to get if you read it, is that Cowboyz called Dazza out on something that he was doing himself.

is that Cowboyz called Dazza out on something that he was doing himself.

Cowboyz called Dazza out

Cowboyz called Dazza out

If he called him out, they're against each other. I don't think you even know what you're arguing right now.

I mentioned Dazza in my posts because Cowboyz mentioned him in his, he did not state the other names so whom else should I talk about?

How about this?

I'm not trying to make a case on the inactives. I was basically pointing out that if we are going after people for not contributing, there would be better choices than Dazza at this point in time.

And since I said I would:
People that haven't even thrown out a joke vote as of last vote count
IB(made comment)
jrl33
crazy
kager

Nice skim.

[jak111]

Where did I say they were at each other?

In your previous post.

This sums up my argument in your own words. One can`t go after the other for the exact reason that they`re not posting much.

And in your next paragraph, immediately after you asked that question.

Either way, I fail to see how there's a difference between dazza's and cowboyz's reactions. Neither of them gives a f*ck about Skyrim. What's the difference?

This sums up my argument in your own words. One can`t go after the other for the exact reason that they`re not posting much.

Funny, because you misinterpret that. It's obvious to anyone who were paying attention that I meant Cowboyz was going after Dazza earlier in the day. But I generalize it so Dazza does not make an excuse to go after Cowboyz. But your assumptions that I said they already were fighting each other is pretty poor.

If he called him out, they're against each other. I don't think you even know what you're arguing right now.

Wrong. Cowboyz called out Dazza, Dazza has not lashed out at Cowboyz in retaliation, therefore there is no "they". Even Cowboyz is not on Dazza no more (but my case is of him calling Dazza out originally for doing something he is doing himself). I believe you are so caught up in trying to make me look bad that you don't realize you're skimming over things and making yourself look bad

How about this?

I'm not trying to make a case on the inactives. I was basically pointing out that if we are going after people for not contributing, there would be better choices than Dazza at this point in time.

And since I said I would:
People that haven't even thrown out a joke vote as of last vote count
IB(made comment)
jrl33
crazy
kager

Nice skim.

I highly agree, nice skimming PCM. The list you posted was made after I called Cowboyz on the fact that he called out Dazza on something he was doing himself. It seems you're trying to protect Cowboyz soo much that you're making poor defenses. So what is it? Are you defending Cowboyz because you know something we do not? Or are you just trying to make me look bad because you want me out of the picture?

Please, bring up more points that I can knock back down due to faulty logic and skimming I love every bit of it.

[jak111]

EBWOP

PCM has recieved a FOS

~An eye witness has seen PCM create a crime~
~1000 gold bounty on PCM added to the Jak Hold~

[Leehar]

Unvote
Interesting developments between pcm and jak. I'm not actually sure who's right just yet (beyond the he said she shad), so I'll avoid picking a side, tho I am leaning toward jak somewhat, maybe because he's made the last defense so the balls in pcm's court to rebut

[everywhere116]

I think jrl332005 needs a prod, only one who hasn't given everywhere116 a confirmation, and hasn't posted since april 23 (in this thread) and april 25th (in another thread)

Prodded him yesterday, gave him until Monday. Hasn't looked at it yet. If he doesn't come back in time, sound will take his place, as I'm sure he wanted a spot in the game.

VC incoming.

[everywhere116]

Vote Count 3

Clever: 2 (new guy, ghost)
jak: 2 (cowboyz, pancake)
new guy: 1 (dazza)
kager: 2 (LSU, nagerous)
cowboyz: 3 (edocsil, jonty, jak)
jonty: 1 (clever)
pancake: 1 (/)


With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

[pancakemix]

Before I make my response post, I'm going to actually explain why jak's basic logic is flawed.

His argument is this (He says it ad nauseum):

he {cowboyz] mentions pressuring inactives while being generally inactive himself

If you'll recall, I made a post in which I outlined how cowboyz was not inactive, going by his posts and how he's posted something every day. Here it is for the record.

April 30: Confirms
May 1: Joke votes XenHu
May 2: Joke votes himself
May 3: The "Dazza shitty role" comment
May 4: Defends himself, then starts asking about inactives.

QED, right? Jak, however, continues the discussion by redefining the word "inactive".

I don't know, it may just be me, but I count activity as reading the posts as well. But you know, that's oldschool stuff

I just wanted to make a note of how stupid and pointless this discussion is. I think I've made my point fairly clear here, I just didn't want it to get lost in the shuffle. Continuing on.

(dunno who he's kidding with "oldschool stuff", but w/e)

Also, everywhere, I unvoted cowboyz. And I say just replace that guy.