Chris Nolan Mafia - Game Over [ARCHIVE]

[nagerous]

Activity is dwindling in all the games and no one seems to be pressuring.. I guess more pressure on safari won't hurt even if I don't think there's much in this case

unvote vote safari

[sheepofdumb]

I was sitting on the edge with safari. I understood where he was coming from with his no lynch. It's a double standard to almost lynch a guy for voting no lynch and then letting the next guy get away with it on the same day. If no one is going to follow suit with my case against edoc then I'll switch my vote. Not right now though because he's at L-2 and from what I understand that's where the new claim milestone is.

[safariguy5]

Alright, I'm Will Dormer from Insomnia, Town Bulletproof. The long days ensure that I'm up all night, thus making me immune from nightkills. However, because I killed my partner, anyone who investigates me will cause me to commit suicide.

Yeah, I know it's convenient, but it's what I have. And for the record Streaker,

I think it's about time for me to switch votes. Only 6 days left for this Day, and spiessr isn't getting enough attention. I still don't like how safari is willing, or even advocating, a No lynch just because 'we have about as much information as a regular Day 1'. Here we have the opportunity to dig deeper on the first Day, yet he is reluctant. Is it that great to go to Night and give mafia their kill? What will we do tomorrow? Just vote no lynch in case we find out a town power role? As Fircoal put it so well, we haven't found out anything about anyone but shield. And he's dead. Not town.

This, and my previous post about safari makes me Unvote, vote safariguy

We have found out that there is probably a SKer with some kind of Daykill ability. I wouldn't normally suggest a no lynch, but daykill abilities scare me. I think it's inadvisable to force more day 1 claims than necessary now that we know that. But I guess if you're going to force anyone to claim, it's better that it's me because I'm not a power role.

[spiesr]

Alright, I'm Will Dormer from Insomnia, Town Bulletproof. The long days ensure that I'm up all night, thus making me immune from nightkills. However, because I killed my partner, anyone who investigates me will cause me to commit suicide.

Does your bulletproof ability extend to daykills as well? Or do you not know?
Now, is this claim to be believed? Well, it sounds like a plausible role and character. But, if the scum might have fakeclaims then we can never really be sure about a claim.
Safariguy, do you know if you dying upon investigation only applies to cop investigations? I mean, are roles like watchers, tackers, gunsmiths and so on able to target you without you dying?

[safariguy5]

Alright, I'm Will Dormer from Insomnia, Town Bulletproof. The long days ensure that I'm up all night, thus making me immune from nightkills. However, because I killed my partner, anyone who investigates me will cause me to commit suicide.

Does your bulletproof ability extend to daykills as well? Or do you not know?
Now, is this claim to be believed? Well, it sounds like a plausible role and character. But, if the scum might have fakeclaims then we can never really be sure about a claim.
Safariguy, do you know if you dying upon investigation only applies to cop investigations? I mean, are roles like watchers, tackers, gunsmiths and so on able to target you without you dying?

I was not told whether me being bulletproof extends to daykills. Also, the role simply states investigation, I could pm pcm about it.

Another interesting thing that I noticed is that I win if all non town factions are eliminated or their vendettas are settled. That means that there are some secondary win conditions, and I'm pretty sure the joker character wants Batman dead.

Also, my secondary win condition is to get some sleep. Dunno how I'm going to achieve that, but dying probably isn't the way.

[spiesr]

Another interesting thing that I noticed is that I win if all non town factions are eliminated or their vendettas are settled. That means that there are some secondary win conditions, and I'm pretty sure the joker character wants Batman dead.

Uh, oh. This comes awfully close to quoting your role pm in my opinion. Seems like a probably violation of rule 2.

2. Do not quote any PMs you receive from the Mod. The only things you may post (loosely paraphrasing) are your roles (and anything associated with them), and alignment, during the active game. Once the game has concluded, feel free to post the rest of your personal information. You may not post your win condition, how many words are in your role PM, or any other kind of way to get around not quoting PMs.

[safariguy5]

Aw crap...shouldn't have reread my role pm.

[edocsil]

Aw crap...shouldn't have reread my role pm.

How close is it? Could it be modkill worthy?

[sheepofdumb]

Looks pretty close. This is up to pancake but I wouldn't be surprised.

I call bull on that role. Now I know that pancake is taking liberties with the roles (I thought that Teddy would have been an insane cop) but Will is not bulletproof and he does not act pro-town. At the end of the movie he dies in a shootout. If anything Will would be perfect for a 2 man mafia along with Robin Williams.
Vote Safari for an unbelievable role claim.

[safariguy5]

Morally ambiguous characters can go either way in these kinds of games. Mr. White and Brown were townies in Tarantino Mafia. So was Jules Winnfield.

[pancakemix]

As much as I hate to do this, safari definitely crossed the line set in rule #2 and will be modkilled. Scene upcoming.

[edocsil]

As much as I hate to do this, safari definitely crossed the line set in rule #2 and will be modkilled. Scene upcoming.

Shoot, that means he was telling mostly the truth.

[safariguy5]

As much as I hate to do this, safari definitely crossed the line set in rule #2 and will be modkilled. Scene upcoming.

God damn it, my bad pcm. Although it looked like I was for the rope anyways.

[Fircoal]

Looks pretty close. This is up to pancake but I wouldn't be surprised.

I call bull on that role. Now I know that pancake is taking liberties with the roles (I thought that Teddy would have been an insane cop) but Will is not bulletproof and he does not act pro-town. At the end of the movie he dies in a shootout. If anything Will would be perfect for a 2 man mafia along with Robin Williams.
Vote Safari for an unbelievable role claim.

I call bull with the role too. Seriously since when did staying up protect you from dying? I mean kills happen in the day when everyone is awake. In fact one just happened in this game! That sounds like quite a double standard that you're making out that Pancake is doing.

[pancakemix]

Eternal Sleep

EXT. CITY STREET - EVENING

The sun begins to set on the intersection where Shieldgenerator's body was found. Safariguy stands over the body, looking pensively at the scars on the dead man's face. Safari breathes deeply, and sighs.

???: It's getting late, you know.

Safari turns around to see who is speaking. FIRCOAL emerges from a shadowy spot and begins to approach Safari.

Chu: If you want to help him, the only way you can do that now is to find who did it to him. Don't lose sleep over this.

Safari: I'll be losing sleep, but not for his sake. It's just that... (pause) I can't help but feel like maybe he was onto something. You know, when he said we shouldn't kill anyone today.

Chu: I'm going to tell the others you think so. And when I do, you'll certainly take his place in the gallows.

Safari: Hah. Let them try. Not even God could kill me.

Chu: If you say so.

Fircoal leaves to tell the others. As he leaves, a lighting bolt comes down from the sky and strikes Safari, who promptly falls to the ground, motionless. Fircoal, having heard the thunder, turns and sees Safari's body. He turns once again and runs to tell the others of Safari's fate.

Safariguy5 AKA Will Dormer (Insomnia, 2002) Pro-Town Bulletproof



has been modkilled.

Day continues. With 9 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

[nagerous]

unvote vote edocsil

He doesn't seem to know what the town WC is.

[spiesr]

I call bull with the role too. Seriously since when did staying up protect you from dying? I mean kills happen in the day when everyone is awake. In fact one just happened in this game! That sounds like quite a double standard that you're making out that Pancake is doing.

So, Fircoal, did you skim or something? Why where you stating your disbelief in safariguy's claim after pancakemix said he is going to modkill him for posting his win condition? Shouldn't that have implied that he was telling the truth?

With 9 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

With the number of votes needed for a lynch still hanging one above the normal, I guess the most likely scenario is that we have someone with an extra vote or something?

unvote vote edocsil
He doesn't seem to know what the town WC is.

Good point. Thus bringing up why that rule existed in the first place...

[sheepofdumb]

Not what I expected Will's role to be. I'm 0 for 2 for calling roles. Not that it mattered because they weren't lynches. I think I'll stop trying to metagame with the flavor because I have no idea what Pancakes setup is.

Back to my case against Edoc.

Vote Edoc

[Fircoal]

I call bull with the role too. Seriously since when did staying up protect you from dying? I mean kills happen in the day when everyone is awake. In fact one just happened in this game! That sounds like quite a double standard that you're making out that Pancake is doing.

So, Fircoal, did you skim or something? Why where you stating your disbelief in safariguy's claim after pancakemix said he is going to modkill him for posting his win condition? Shouldn't that have implied that he was telling the truth?

I loaded up the page. Went to Safeway to get some soda and other stuff. That took 30 minutes. Finished reading thread that was loaded on the page. Posted out a reply. Then relooked at the page to realize posts had happened while I was at Safeway. x3

[Fircoal]

Not what I expected Will's role to be. I'm 0 for 2 for calling roles. Not that it mattered because they weren't lynches. I think I'll stop trying to metagame with the flavor because I have no idea what any setup is.

Fixed

Also I will also Vote: Edoc for the same gamebreaking reasons.

[sheepofdumb]

Not what I expected Will's role to be. I'm 0 for 2 for calling roles. Not that it mattered because they weren't lynches. I think I'll stop trying to metagame with the flavor because I have no idea what any setup is.

Fixed

Also I will also Vote: Edoc for the same gamebreaking reasons.

*sigh* you are right.

[edocsil]

First off, I have no idea what WC means so I really cant make a case for my defense. And Fir, What game breaking reasons am I being voted for? I have no idea what is going on.....

[edocsil]

Oh, gotcha, he did quote it verbatim, as you can tell by the Win Conditions. Sorry boys, haven't looked at for a few weeks, seeing as can remember who I am. I am disapointed you jumped on that, there isn't any reason I should remember the exact wording. I didn't think to compare safari's to mine because I knew if it was bad he would be modkilled anyways, so what was the point?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

oh wow, gone for 2 days and come back to a modkill. I think enough damage has been done.

vote no lynch

I don't really see the supposed case on edoc being all that valid. I usually only read the role pm once.

-Tails

[sheepofdumb]

Tails, there's more to the Edoc case than that. All the work against him was ignored for safari.
This is the copy pasta for the bulk of Edoc's case.

Anyhow, I am going to pick my favorite case right now and try to go with it. I find edocsil to be the scummiest right now. They I see it, the first he he does is use nagerous vote on shield to attack him under the guise of defending the new player. For a while he goes on with this, making posts defending shield and explaining things to him to maintain credibility for his vote on nagerous. However, shield does not improve and the tide shifts, people pres edocsil for his stance against nag and defense of shield. He responds with this.

Now, this last part was something different. Saf, I wasn't suggesting no lynch - I'd rather wanted to pressure Nag (and still do), but if shield continues on this path, he will not last long.

Certainly not. one more slip up on his part and I'm going to do a 180.

Once more people start to turn against shield edocsil sets up this post as a way for him to transition to the popular side. Shortly afterwords he joins the tide of votes on shield with this post, justifying his actions and reconcile them with his prior arguments by citing timing as why it is right to do so now, be was wrong to do so earlier.

Me too, Unvote Vote Shield (still FoSing Nag for jumping on him waaay too soon)

Later when called on his actions.

Believe me, if he was my scummate I would have never defended him. I wouldn't ever make a mistake like that. Look at the lynch of safari in Nostalgia. Defending scum vigorously = everyone thinks you are scum and hanging scum looks good if you are on the wagon early enough. I am not a fan of shooting at random D1 because the odds of shooting right are slim, but there is only so far I am willing to stick my neck out for rookie. When he continued to advocate a NL I figured enough was enough.

He states that making such an obvious association with a scummate is not a good move. That is correct, but shield was not his scum buddy. Scum may defend townies to try and look like the part of a do-gooder town player, to use it as leverage to attack those going after the person they are defending, to try and incriminate the person they associated with should they be exposed as scum at a later point, or any number of other reasons. So I don't think this defense here really amounts to anything. It just says that edocsil wasn't partnered with shield. (Which we now know to be the case anyway.)

unvote vote no lynch

Vote Safari my only worry is that he is a jester and we won't get any info from hanging him.

Now after safariguy suggests having a no lynch for the day TAILGUNN3R and Streaker post stating this action has caused them to become suspicious of safariguy. Edocsil wastes no time turning this suspicion into a no contest case to lynch safaiguy on the spot. So once again he jumps onto what he sees as the popular side. While he was the first vote, in my opinion he is simply following the sentiment that he saw from the two prior posters and trying to fit into that crowd.

Ok so beyond the current NL argument I have been getting bad vibes from Saf, He was already marked in red on my little excel chart before he started arguing for a NL.

Then he tries to justify his move by coming up with points against safariguy.
So anyway, I suck at making cases and there isn't a ton of stuff to go off of today but edocsil gets my vote. Vote edocsil.

Ok so beyond the current NL argument I have been getting bad vibes from Saf, He was already marked in red on my little excel chart before he started arguing for a NL. Here is one of his posts

Well bottom line is that we now know that we have a SKer of some sort. I'd guess third party, but that's not set in stone. It's still a useful death.

Joker could easily be mafia, to be honest. Also, the only way I could see this as a useful death is that we'll lose a troll, but a cop generally is a big loss.

True, but remember this was a daykill. Give mafia a daykill+ a nightkill would be really powerful in a 11 person game. And him not being town-aligned makes me wonder what incentive he had to clear any players or accuse them.

In all honesty I agree with him, that being said He is trying to draw attention away from the mafia and onto a SK.

If we are going to assume that Joker is a third party SK then you can't draw attention away from a mafia that hasn't done anything. Both factions (if they are separate) are dangerous to the town. The sooner both of die the sooner the town is safe.

Believe me, if he was my scummate I would have never defended him. I wouldn't ever make a mistake like that. Look at the lynch of safari in Nostalgia. Defending scum vigorously = everyone thinks you are scum and hanging scum looks good if you are on the wagon early enough. I am not a fan of shooting at random D1 because the odds of shooting right are slim, but there is only so far I am willing to stick my neck out for rookie. When he continued to advocate a NL I figured enough was enough.

He states that making such an obvious association with a scummate is not a good move. That is correct, but shield was not his scum buddy. Scum may defend townies to try and look like the part of a do-gooder town player, to use it as leverage to attack those going after the person they are defending, to try and incriminate the person they associated with should they be exposed as scum at a later point, or any number of other reasons. So I don't think this defense here really amounts to anything. It just says that edocsil wasn't partnered with shield. (Which we now know to be the case anyway.)

Edoc saying that because he knew shield wasn't his scummate he could defend him made me suspicious. I was even more suspicious when Edoc washed his hands of shield and then proclaimed his innocence with this post:

(Shield dies)

Yeah, that is likely the best thing that could have happened, I would have been in a tight spot otherwise.

Edoc has shown signs of bandwagoning. He waits until it is safe and jumps on people who take riskier moves.

Me too, Unvote Vote Shield (still FoSing Nag for jumping on him waaay too soon)

unvote vote no lynch

Vote Safari my only worry is that he is a jester and we won't get any info from hanging him.

He already had a red flag in my book so I'm going to bump it up to a unvote vote edoc.