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Iron Butterfly wrote:Jonty's vote should be on count besisle.
You have jonty voting for me for your last two vote counts
trinicardinal wrote:@ jonty
I agree that if Campin was a one shot tracker then that would mean that there would have to be a full tracker otherwise... what I cannot follow is that where Campin is scum (as proven) that there is " there is 99.9998% chance that we have AT LEAST one tracker". I don't follow how you came up with that conclusion... maybe I'm just dense but I don't get it... Also while I agree that in most circumstances I would not expect a vig to kill N1 I can understand why a vig might choose to go against that convention on this occasion with Campin. Certainly if I were a vig and had decided to kill on N1 Campin would have been my top choice... As it turns out it definitely worked for us and given everything I can understand why a vig might have decided that it was worth the risk.
killing Campin N1 also means that, since we don't have to lynch him today, we are free to pursue other leads and maybe get a lot more information to help us. with all that being said your vote on IB looks a bit like an OMGUS vote to me. it seems to come down to - because he agreed with a vig kill on N1 voted for me so FOS on you, jonty, for that
@ pcm
- I follow you with the K is >=1 OR T is an odd number but I don't follow how you got T is >=2 could you expand on it for me.... to me any value of T results in a set up that has a Mafia Goon in it.
@ Vio
Based on what I read all possible roles are as followsVanilla Townie
Town Tracker
Town 1-Shot Tracker
Town Doctor
Town Jailkeeper
Town Hider
Town 1-Shot Commuter
Town Vengeful
Town Vigilante
Town Role Cop
Town Gunsmith
Mafia Goon
Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver
Mafia JOAT
Serial Killer
not all will exist and some can only exist if others exist so, for example, the 1shot tracker wouldn't be there unless there was already a tracker.
I agree that Count's timing for the vote switch is unusual... in fact given the deadline Count ended up casting the lynching vote and its strange that it was so quickly after Campin's vote as well - as you say it could just be coincidence but it could also have been bandwagonning by mafia. His stated reason for the switch in vote isn't exactly the best either:Count Belisle wrote:I know what Redhedge is talking about I have been there myself. it's tough to juggle school, RL situations and CC.
so I want to help him out. free up his time so to speak.
Unvote, vote Redhedge
All in all its suspicious enough for me to say Unvote: Vote Count
betiko wrote:T>=2 is a rock solid fact jonty, we have 2 VTs dead.
Mafia Wiki wrote:The moderator randomly chooses 7 numbers from 1-100, repeating permitted. Then, each number is turned into a letter as follows:
jonty125 wrote:betiko wrote:T>=2 is a rock solid fact jonty, we have 2 VTs dead.
The mod only generates 7 random numbers.Mafia Wiki wrote:The moderator randomly chooses 7 numbers from 1-100, repeating permitted. Then, each number is turned into a letter as follows:
So it is perfectly possible that T=0, e.g. T=0, I=1, P=2, H=3, K=1, R=0. This gives 10 players non VT roles. We have had 2 non VTs flip, so that leaves us with a potential 11 non VT roles so T could = 0.
Count Belisle wrote:can you please recheck the vote count , I only have 3 votes.
to answer how I voted, well I couldn't pick between campin and redhedge, so I sincerely meant what I said when to redhedge about when it comes to school, so for as bad of a player as I 'm I actully roll a pair of dice to see who I was going to vote for, I thought it would be worst if I didn't vote. I was also asking if we were going to ask redhedge some questions too since he came close to lynching as campin did and he was pushed to claim. Man this is a tricky game you get into trouble if you keep your mouth shut, or if you do say something, so if I picked campin would everything be O.K.? or should have I voted without being a smartass like I did this time. So where do we go from here?
but this post says nothing about me being scummy. I called it up hereIron Butterfly wrote:jonty125 wrote:Erm, where is Lord Voldemort's scene?? Anyhow, we definitely have mafia and SK, vig is a possibility. I'd bet that the guy who killed Campin was the SK and the guy who killed Lord Voldemort was the mafia. Vigs shouldn't be shooting N1, unless there has been a counterclaim.
I completely disagree.
If you are an SK the win condition will be to survive till the end. Why kill someone who is probable scum? The intelligent option would be to kill someone other then Campin as Campin was under the gun anyways. Towards the end I was very comfortable lynching Campin as he played like he had something to hide.
If I were a vig I would have no trouble targeting Campin night one. At the worst we lose a one shot tracker.
I do not understand fully the open format but I do believe there would be a very low probobility to have a SK, a Vig AND the Town protective role getting so lucky as to block a night one mafia kill.
Vote Jonty because I must AND I find your play scummy as well
but you haven't responded. So I'd like to know how my play is scummy.jonty125 wrote:vote IB ... and then for voting for me being scummy, without giving me anything to defend about being scummy, or what I've done.
Count Belisle wrote:I don't know if I'm suppose to post this here, but I was in The Underworld and Campin had posted in there today. We have lost campin today do to him being banned for being a multi. I don't know the whole story and I'm not going to speculate. Just I wish this didn't happen, he was a lot of fun in our user group, I don't know why people would have multi accounts ( I have 1 paid account and still can't keep up with all my games) he was a good player and I really liked playing in matches with him.
If I 'm not suppose to post this here just say so and I will delete it.
jonty125 wrote:Count Belisle wrote:I don't know if I'm suppose to post this here, but I was in The Underworld and Campin had posted in there today. We have lost campin today do to him being banned for being a multi. I don't know the whole story and I'm not going to speculate. Just I wish this didn't happen, he was a lot of fun in our user group, I don't know why people would have multi accounts ( I have 1 paid account and still can't keep up with all my games) he was a good player and I really liked playing in matches with him.
If I 'm not suppose to post this here just say so and I will delete it.
Campin is dead in this game. But put it in Mafia Discussions.
vodean wrote:ive been reading along, but havent really had anything to contribute. everyone is just discussing math.
jonty125 wrote:I've got no reason to not believe the claim. We have 8 days until deadline, so I think we need to push another case.
jonty125 wrote:Also, vio, vodean and samgrossy have only posted once today. I understand sam might be on vacation but as far I'm aware the other two don't have a reason to be inactive
VioIet wrote:jonty125 wrote:I've got no reason to not believe the claim. We have 8 days until deadline, so I think we need to push another case.
If Count Be-lisle turns out to be mafia, I know who to pursue next.
jonty125 wrote:Also, vio, vodean and samgrossy have only posted once today. I understand sam might be on vacation but as far I'm aware the other two don't have a reason to be inactive
Violet wrote:I haven't been inactive, as I have been checking the thread daily. I really didn't have a need to post again.
betiko wrote:i am personally fine to lynch count just now, he's a VT in the worse case scenario and I elieve it's theonly real case. we have no power role out so no one to give us more info than night scenes... nothing is happening here since a few days anyways..
trinicardinal wrote:betiko wrote:i am personally fine to lynch count just now, he's a VT in the worse case scenario and I elieve it's theonly real case. we have no power role out so no one to give us more info than night scenes... nothing is happening here since a few days anyways..
This whole day has been pretty dead... there hasn't been as much discussion other than about count although I'll admit that he has seemed the best option... his claim of VT is not totally unexpected since we've already had VT's so we know for sure its a role around... It could be a fake claim especially since his explanation could, I suppose be a bit better. However, it appears to be his first game so I'm making some allowances for mistakes (I know I've made enough in my time) and while his explanation doesn't quite fit I'm still inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one... for some reason he just seems genuinely confused about some things... I could be wrong but I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt for now... although I have not completely cleared him yet. I'll leave my vote as is on vodean for now since he still isn't doing or saying much but I'll also be looking around for other cases.
In somewhat related but unrelated news tomorrow Trinidad & Tobago celebrates its 50th Anniversary of Independence... its going to be a big affair so my posting for the next couple days will be rather muted... but I'll do what I can.
betiko wrote:trinicardinal wrote:betiko wrote:i am personally fine to lynch count just now, he's a VT in the worse case scenario and I elieve it's theonly real case. we have no power role out so no one to give us more info than night scenes... nothing is happening here since a few days anyways..
This whole day has been pretty dead... there hasn't been as much discussion other than about count although I'll admit that he has seemed the best option... his claim of VT is not totally unexpected since we've already had VT's so we know for sure its a role around... It could be a fake claim especially since his explanation could, I suppose be a bit better. However, it appears to be his first game so I'm making some allowances for mistakes (I know I've made enough in my time) and while his explanation doesn't quite fit I'm still inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one... for some reason he just seems genuinely confused about some things... I could be wrong but I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt for now... although I have not completely cleared him yet. I'll leave my vote as is on vodean for now since he still isn't doing or saying much but I'll also be looking around for other cases.
In somewhat related but unrelated news tomorrow Trinidad & Tobago celebrates its 50th Anniversary of Independence... its going to be a big affair so my posting for the next couple days will be rather muted... but I'll do what I can.
man there is always something to celebrate in trinidad! anyway, I didn't know it was count's first mafia game, but I know that I personally used a lot of that in the nightmare before christmas mafia we played together where i was scum... blaming my noobishness when i knew what i was doing..
this day really lacks of discussion......
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