Too many Items Mafia (4/14) Endgame: I Confess

[crazymilkshake5]

Vote Count

Hippo-Vodean
Vodean-/, pershy, ???, Yomiel, zim-L-2

Deadline is July 11th. No set time, whenever i feel like it.

[Epitaph1]

Vote Count

Hippo-Vodean
Vodean-/, pershy, jonty, ???-L3

Deadline is July 11th. No set time, whenever i feel like it.

That's interesting, I don't remember a player named ??? in this game (that's a joke)

Vodeon, you best claim now if we are going to start any cases on anyone else before the deadline.

[Yomiel]

Vote: Vodean

[vodean]

We seem to be missing shield, dazza and IB, the later likely because of a PR...
Hm, upon reading back, actually I do think vodean is acting scummy.

does anyone have any objections for the lynch? / has voiced some, but still seems pro. if im gonna be hammering, i dont want to come under a ton of scrutiny unless people are actually in support. lets be sure before we do this.

this seems odd, why is it so important to not come under scrutiny? The only ones who NEED to look town under all circumstances are scum. it seems like trying to play off the blame on someone else.

honestly, i dont see too much in the spiesr case... the main points are that he used WIFOM that may be invalid, and he tried to get others to discuss... doesn't seem to scummy to me. in fact, to push so hard against him seems scummier than anything. unvote vote hippo

And this, OMGUSing for spiesr upon the hippo's case, could be buddying tactic, or something more, why do you object to it so strongly?

With all that happened yesterday concerning vode, we could probably devise some further info from this case no matter how it turns out.
Vote vode

ok... hmmm... no comments on the bandwagon on me without reason that we just saw?
in any case, this seems to be about the sum of the case against me. and i've gotta say. its pretty weak.

so i dont want to come under scrutiny... who does? and clearly it didnt work. i knew at the time it wouldnt.but i didnt think i would get lynched over it.
because really, if you look at hippos case against spiesr, it was crap at best. but whatever. it is clearly more scummy to present a case against someone who has presented an empty case than to present an empty case.
as for my meta, im a very popular D1 and 2 lynch, and im not surprised that there is a bandwagon against me, but it is starting to piss me off a little . also, since NCIS was the role i got immediately before this one, and i was scum in NCIS, that means i MUST be town in this one. in any case, im the town one-shot reviver. my item is some herbs and spices, and at any point in the game i can revive one person. but since i use herbal medicine, there is only a 50-50 chance of success.

[thehippo8]

Vote: Vodean

After the loss of two townies already, you'd think you'd at least wait for Vodean to respond before you put him at L-1!!! But no, you have mercilessly dangled him on the precipice. Worse, you do so without any explanation whatsoever. Now that Vodean has responded I would have expected you to back-peddle very quickly and remove your vote. IFive hours has elapsed and you are usually so quick to respond to anything. Fos Yomiel!

Frankly, even though it is Day 2, I'm inclined to shelve Vodean for tomorrow. There are multiple ways to check on whether he's telling the truth at night so I suggest we move on. Unless you are trying to kill for killing's sake then we should - at the very minimum - discuss this.

Having a look back, everyone except SG7 and Dazza have posted day two. Dazzah was silent in another game so I anticipate there's an excuse there? But I don't know why SG7 is silent. Maybe we should be applying pressure or ask the mod for replacements?

ANyway, here's a list of posts in day two (in the order they appear on the first page):

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Spiesr - 7
Zimmah 5
Yomiel - 8
IB - 2
Jonty - 4
Vodean - 6
Epitaph - 6
Pershy - 3
/ - 3
thshippo - 3

This is just post numbers, not quality. Come on everyone let's start chatting!

[spiesr]

in any case, im the town one-shot reviver. my item is some herbs and spices, and at any point in the game i can revive one person. but since i use herbal medicine, there is only a 50-50 chance of success.

Hmm, I am not yet certain if I should believe this or not. So, let's start nitpicking. If you are only shot only and have 50% chance of succes, what happens if you fail in an attempt? Is your ability retained or wasted?

[Yomiel]

I don't buy it. First, even if he's telling the truth, he makes it sound like he can only even try once. And even if that's wrong, with that power, the Mafia might very well kill him anyway.

[thehippo8]

Thanks for the explanation Yomiel.

Is ??? a double-voter or a silent voter?

[zimmah]

vote vodean

[Yomiel]

Looks like we just need one more vote? Can we not edit the vote counts. It makes it really hard to keep track. My vote was edited into a vote count posted before I even made said vote.

[Epitaph1]

I'm with hippo on this one. We have a claim that we can monitor for now, so why not put some pressure on someone else while we still have time? We don't need to rush into the night and if we don't get anywhere with another case, vodeon will get lynched at the end of the day anyway.

I don't know what's up with Daz, but he dropped off the face of the earth in our clan mafia game. So, I don't think putting pressure on him will do much good. CMS, could you prod him for now?

I don't know why SG7 isn't as active, so I'd be more willing to pressure him.

Vote SG7

[Yomiel]

This is getting hard to follow.@_@

[jonty125]

vote vodean

Care to explain your vote?

unvote I'm going to hold my horses on this one, the role seems a bit powerful to lose.

[pershy]

Hang on - didn't Zimmah just hammer. He was at L-1 already right?

[Yomiel]

That's exactly what I meant. The host keeps going back and editing old vote counts instead of just posting new ones, which is making things extremely confusing. I'm tempted to go back and check all the votes from the start of the day, but I have no way of knowing it someone has a double-vote power.

[pershy]

It's a great claim and yes it's powerful - but I'm sure he's lying.

He's one shot and 50-50?
That seems too convenient to me.
So he can try and revive someone and say "Guess what - I failed, and that's my herbs all used up."

I would believe him if he said just one shot reviver - or just 50-50 - but both together nyah ah!

It could be true but as I said I think it's too convenient. Anyway - I think he has been lynched. Mod can you confirm.

fastposted - ok maybe it's a vote count post thing. In which case my vote stays for now.

[crazymilkshake5]

Vote Count

Hippo-Vodean
Vodean-/, pershy, ???, Yomiel, zim-L-2
SG7-epit1, Thehippo8

Deadline is July 11th. No set time, whenever i feel like it.

Deadline is when I get back from work at 8

[Yomiel]

Here's what I have:

Vodean has 5 votes against him-/, pershy, ???, Yomiel, zim
Shield has 1 vote against him-Epitaph

Though, keep in mind, the ??? vote may no longer be on him.

[thehippo8]

@ Epitaph - thanks, and I forgot to actually vote ... so vote SG7

@ Pershy - you make an interesting point, but my view is that this should be tested first.

@ Everyone else - where are you?

[Yomiel]

We're all being held prisoner by Vodean.D :

[/]

My opinion, it seems like a rather useless role.
Vodean often come up with the oddest stuff when pressured, I have a feeling it's a lie, however crazy does come up with some odd ones too.
The thing is, it's NOT very provable as some said, it's proven if someone comes back to life, but if they don't there's always the excuse "whoops, looks like luck isn't on our side".
The only way to be sure, is have vode tracked tonight (if there is even a tracker item on our side..) if he can actually target a dead person, he's clear.

[Yomiel]

I can think of a bunch of ways that will not work. If he's not Mafia, he could be killed, role-jacked, blocked, redirected, or any number of things. If he is, he can just claim one of those things.

[spiesr]

I can think of a bunch of ways that will not work. If he's not Mafia, he could be killed, role-jacked, blocked, redirected, or any number of things. If he is, he can just claim one of those things.

Well, if his claim is true, at least a busdriver could not effect it. A roleblocker could prevent it if the scum have an item/role for that. I don't know what exactly happens if a redirector or similar were to hit someone using a revive power. Scum aligned redirectors and whatnot aren't terribly common to my knowledge, but in this game it is hard to say what sort of items the scum may have at any point it time.
While he could be killed if he is telling the truth and we decide not to lynch him, that isn't really a reason to lynch him. I mean, if he dies in that scenario we haven't lost anything more than we would have by lynching him.
The biggest issue with trying to test this claim is that he can say it failed and then we have to guess if it really failed or if he was lying all along. As / said, we need to track him to have any hope of the test working in the event that nobody comes back to life.

Thanks for the explanation Yomiel.
Is ??? a double-voter or a silent voter?

I don't imagine that we will get an explanation unless the owner reveals himself.

[Yomiel]

I think it's smarter to just kill him. If he's telling the truth, why wouldn't the Mafia do so anyway? They would never let such a role live unblocked, and that makes his early claim all the more suspicious. None of us really had any reason for voting him. He could have pointed that out, but he instead claims a highly-suspicious role?

[crazymilkshake5]

Vote Count

Hippo-Vodean
Vodean-/, pershy, ???, Yomiel, zim-L-2
SG7-epit1, Thehippo8

Deadline is when I get back from work at 8