Skyrim Mafia Endgame: Hail Sithis! (3/18) Skyrim Wins!

[new guy1]

@ Pancake, my discussion with Xenhu was a direct result of his case on me, for what I believed was a skipped premise, and a possible link to an unjustified defense against an accusation directed at Iron Bird, I was simply questioning weather he could answer what I viewed as logical inconsistencies.

I agree with some of what you say, however, even disregarding newguy's slip (or whatever) I am finding increasingly unacceptable that he and clever are still on joke votes.
since it seems we are currently unable to pressure jak with time running out, I will switch to newguy, he is active enough to post elsewhere, has been online several times in the last few days, but refuses to respond to why he is joke voting with time running out after three days, or even post for that matter. viewtopic.php?f=213&t=169197&start=315#p3729783
Unvote vote newguy

I believe the only vote I have had on anyone in this game is my jokevote, which, while Im posting this, I will Unvote, since it has no use. I have not input much into this game nor Battle of the bulge which is the only other game I am in very much as I have weekends to attend to and I found I did not have much to add in this game. You may pressure me, Im fine with it. It is one vote being done as a last resort and so I find it funny that you didnt pressure anyone else very much and now you come back to me to claim, which you wanted before anyways. Either way, you have no case and so I have nothing to respond to here.

[/]

@ Pancake, my discussion with Xenhu was a direct result of his case on me, for what I believed was a skipped premise, and a possible link to an unjustified defense against an accusation directed at Iron Bird, I was simply questioning weather he could answer what I viewed as logical inconsistencies.

I agree with some of what you say, however, even disregarding newguy's slip (or whatever) I am finding increasingly unacceptable that he and clever are still on joke votes.
since it seems we are currently unable to pressure jak with time running out, I will switch to newguy, he is active enough to post elsewhere, has been online several times in the last few days, but refuses to respond to why he is joke voting with time running out after three days, or even post for that matter. viewtopic.php?f=213&t=169197&start=315#p3729783
Unvote vote newguy

I believe the only vote I have had on anyone in this game is my jokevote, which, while Im posting this, I will Unvote, since it has no use. I have not input much into this game nor Battle of the bulge which is the only other game I am in very much as I have weekends to attend to and I found I did not have much to add in this game. You may pressure me, Im fine with it. It is one vote being done as a last resort and so I find it funny that you didnt pressure anyone else very much and now you come back to me to claim, which you wanted before anyways. Either way, you have no case and so I have nothing to respond to here.

I wanted you to claim? When was that?
I haven't been pressuring anyone else?
And the fact you have only contributed your joke vote, and haven't been contributing anything else is the point of my case, and you are using that to justify yourself?

[new guy1]

Dont feel like quoting that to make it a pyrimid. I would have to go back, but I believe you are the one that said that you would look for someone else to pressure and if you didnt find anyone you would come back to me. Well you didnt really pressure anyone else that I remember (again its been a long weekend, I would have to go back and look) and you just come back to me with your vote with a "you havent contributed much" which, hate to break it to you, that innactive LSU hasnt done. I just figured if you were going to pressure someone you would come up with more then that.

[/]

This is the problem! What LSU and the real inactives are doing isn't a scum move, actually not being here isn't scummy, they can be replaced. What you are doing is scummy, you are active, you are here every day, reading up and not contributing, you are capable of posting paragraph after paragraph the exact moment you get pressured, but are incapable of giving a damn for any amount of time it would take to actually put out a case.

[new guy1]

Well Im sorry Im not a blessed case maker, therefore you are wrong in the aspect that I can just throw one out there when I see what an average person sees, not all these instigators. Im trying to learn but Im starting to get the idea that you cant just watch someone and learn, you have to find a way to learn yourself. And I guess I should just get off for a few days then since that way I could just say "sorry I was gone let me read up and say Im going to post something later when Im not" since thats not scummy at all, right?

[/]

Well you are mentioning it, you noticed something; so you had something to post, but didn't, if you think these people are being insincere, then say so, it's better that contributing nothing.

[new guy1]

I dont know what you mean by people being insincere, but I thought I gave my take on current cases... that might have been the bulge game though, I dont really remember. As far as I remember I didnt realy take sides on the most recent cases because I wasnt really getting a read on any of it. Thats about all I have to say right now...

[/]

I'm saying if you think the submariners are being insincere when they claim they will reread, you should mention it, just mention whatever you notice, that's helpful too if you are unable to construct a complete case alone, otherwise there is no chance to win, the majority refuse to get anything done and we will go to night having accomplished nothing, apathy only helps mafia, cult, and serial killers.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Well Im sorry Im not a blessed case maker, therefore you are wrong in the aspect that I can just throw one out there when I see what an average person sees, not all these instigators. Im trying to learn but Im starting to get the idea that you cant just watch someone and learn, you have to find a way to learn yourself. And I guess I should just get off for a few days then since that way I could just say "sorry I was gone let me read up and say Im going to post something later when Im not" since thats not scummy at all, right?

im gonna agree here and disagree with / if he is here and active but not saying something why can he not be replaced? your confusing me /. noone can just throw out a case when he has nothing to throw out on. mainly cause, and i find this alot, you want to say something and someone else says it. therefore every case that CAN be made HAS been made. unless everyone is blind. the fact that we have 18 people says that if someone slips then someone will find it. he hasnt been inactive anyway. i didnt post this weekend either. i was busy this weekend as well and this is the first real time i can sit and think. did you post abundently this weekend /? i didnt think so. sometimes we just get on to read and dont have time to say much. if this is your reason behind the vote then i say its a bad one. and if its about his slip in saying he is not a vt. we have discused this as most likely being a town slip than a scum slip

fastposted x3

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Well Im sorry Im not a blessed case maker, therefore you are wrong in the aspect that I can just throw one out there when I see what an average person sees, not all these instigators. Im trying to learn but Im starting to get the idea that you cant just watch someone and learn, you have to find a way to learn yourself. And I guess I should just get off for a few days then since that way I could just say "sorry I was gone let me read up and say Im going to post something later when Im not" since thats not scummy at all, right?

im gonna agree here and disagree with / if he is here and active but not saying something why can he not be replaced? your confusing me /. noone can just throw out a case when he has nothing to throw out on. mainly cause, and i find this alot, you want to say something and someone else says it. therefore every case that CAN be made HAS been made. unless everyone is blind. the fact that we have 18 people says that if someone slips then someone will find it. he hasnt been inactive anyway. i didnt post this weekend either. i was busy this weekend as well and this is the first real time i can sit and think. did you post abundently this weekend /? i didnt think so. sometimes we just get on to read and dont have time to say much. if this is your reason behind the vote then i say its a bad one. and if its about his slip in saying he is not a vt. we have discused this as most likely being a town slip than a scum slip

fastposted x3

It is abundantly essential we each make our intentions clear, I have commented on cases and made points of my own, newguy did not, what is it you think? Do you honestly think not one single point made today is valid enough to pursue? That we are completely unable to find anything new? That we shouldn't even go with a gut feeling so we can get new data for later? Are you in favor of not pressuring anyone at this point, if so, why are we even wasting our time with this day? You should go ahead and vote No Lynch so we at least know that is what you want.

[new guy1]

Actually now I remember saying very vividly that I dont post much on day one because everytime I do I am called out on it for some reason unseen to me till they point it out. BAM! Whole case shot down by a point that was already there.

[soundman]

Three days left till deadline. I'm not willing to go into the night without any info but I don't think Jak or New Guy are scum. After Kager's last post I really think we should pressure him. He's the best in my mind right now.

[edocsil]

Three days left till deadline. I'm not willing to go into the night without any info but I don't think Jak or New Guy are scum. After Kager's last post I really think we should pressure him. He's the best in my mind right now.

3 days, LSU lynch is gaining no traction. Jak I see as possible scum, although the tells are weaker then I would like. Newguy isn't scummy IMO, so that leaves me with Unvote Vote Jak

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Three days left till deadline. I'm not willing to go into the night without any info but I don't think Jak or New Guy are scum. After Kager's last post I really think we should pressure him. He's the best in my mind right now.

3 days, LSU lynch is gaining no traction. Jak I see as possible scum, although the tells are weaker then I would like. Newguy isn't scummy IMO, so that leaves me with Unvote Vote Jak

have to agree. i think what new guy did was just a town slip and just that. i dont know about jak though. unvote vote jak maybe we can finally get somewhere with this day.

[XenHu]

Well, by my count jak is four(?) votes away from the noose. I'm not sure I like where this is going, but I can understand why things are going the way they are. However, with that said, I'm not comfortable voting against him. I realize that if he turns up scum I'm going to have some major explaining to do, but it's a risk I am willing to take. I might not like his style of play, nor do I feel that his side of the whole thing between him and PCM held any water. Still, it just doesn't sit with me...

XenHu: Hard to meta since it's been so long, but he's clear-minded and logical. No bad vibes from him at this point.
Edoc: Standard Day 1 "End this shit" play from him. Can't say one way or the other on him at this point, leaning town.
LSU: Fairly silent, but that can't be helped I guess.
Kage: Pointed out as inactive, then pops back in and follows the newest wagon. Not exactly stellar.
Leehar: Playing follow-the-leader a bit. Jumped right on edoc after I pointed out LSU's post. I'd like to see more opinion and less "What he said".
Ghostly: Like I said, his flip-flop doesn't sit well with me. He's my second option lynch.
Sound: Just joined, but I'd like to hear more.
Crazy: I know he said he'd probably be inactive, but he needs to speak up more.
Cowboyz: Also needs to speak up more.
Dazza: Also needs to speak up more. (I'll admit, you do have a point here)
New Guy: As I said, what he did was more of a town slip. No further thoughts here. (As I'm making this list, I'm finding I'm repeating myself quite a bit. What makes you say I'm not focused on everything?)
Jonty: I've never known him to say much...
Iron: I haven't got much here, but right now, I'm not getting a scum vibe
/: Pushing oddly at XenHu for whatever reason. What exactly ARE you getting at, /?
Clever: Standard lack of contribution
Nag: Standard play, looked carefully into the new guy thing..

I like this list, firstly, because I trust PCM's opinion of the people I don't know. Which is most of you. Secondly, it illustrates a problem I've been having this entire game. A portion of players simply aren't saying anything. Which is always a pain, because you can't really yell scum based on someone not posting, but it definitely does not help, because it limits your options. :/

I just want to make sure that this character assessment does not get lost in the fray, because I have a feeling I will be returning to it in the future.

Actually now I remember saying very vividly that I dont post much on day one because everytime I do I am called out on it for some reason unseen to me till they point it out. BAM! Whole case shot down by a point that was already there.

Ok, I just want to say this before I go any further. This is an excuse, and a pretty lame one at that. Just because you get called out a lot does not give you the free and clear to not post very much. It probably means you are doing something wrong. As was the case in this game, your slip(if we are still calling it that) was pretty bad and yeah, people are going to call you out on it. As I've said before, I've never been a big believer in 'oops I didn't mean to post that', but that's neither here nor there. You made a mistake and people raked you across the coals for it. Deal with it. Don't use it as a crutch.

Three days left till deadline. I'm not willing to go into the night without any info but I don't think Jak or New Guy are scum. After Kager's last post I really think we should pressure him. He's the best in my mind right now.

I don't know if his last post was anything to pressure over. If I remember correctly, his last post was:

Vote Count 5

Clever: 2 (new guy)
jak: 4 (cowboyz, pancake, jonty, /)
new guy: 1 (dazza)
kager: 1 (nagerous)
cowboyz: 1 (jak)
jonty: 1 (clever)
/ : 1 (Xenhu)
LSU Tiger Josh: 1 (edocsil)
Not Voting: 7 (Leehar, IB, LSU, sound, CMS, kager, ghost)


With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline midnight May 15th going on 16th, barring an extension.

I count 19 votes here, if its not a mistake, then we have a double voter

Vote Kager. He's posted nothing but fluff and has been missing for a while.

It is true I have not posted in 4 days but I have been keeping up with the thread

o.O
Pretty badly caught out there Edoc
Vote edoc for trying to lynch someone using bad evidence

I will agree with this, game logs from 4 months back is not good evidence imo Vote Edoc

IMO, he's only doing to Edoc what I just spent the last paragraph talking about. Edoc slipped and he's pressuring him. By your logic soundman, should we also be pressuring Leehar? This isn't meant antagonistically, I'm curious as to what about Kager seems scummy to you.

-X

[jak111]

See, I love how blind PCM is playing, he only states activity in his list and thinks all the inactives are 'normal' Look at the Bulge or Matrix PCM, look at them and tell me where they are. Neither are going anywhere on a D2 phase with 60+ pages covered because we fight with each other and let the inactives.. be inactive.

If you think their playing is normal I'd hate to see what it'd take for you to see it as unnormal.

I also find it interesting that OTHERS that I didn't refer to when I said seek out the things on others, that they mention the joke votes stage when we are past that, and you do not. Yea, I'd say you weren't paying attention if there were a group of people still in joke votes and you didn't care enough to put them on your observations.

That being said, I find your list insufficient PCM, it's like commenting on the clouds... That one's round, that one's big, that one's small... see how short and 'descriptive' those are? I'm not sure how much 'water' PCM's view holds, but we'll never know if we don't know more about them clouds.

Onto the serious topic of the day, I like the discussion between New Guy and /, I don't think New Guy was a town slip, he had me convinced until his latest post.

Actually now I remember saying very vividly that I dont post much on day one because everytime I do I am called out on it for some reason unseen to me till they point it out. BAM! Whole case shot down by a point that was already there.

It seems like a last attempt to get away from / without answering his post fully, and just posting fluff, with this you gain a wanted level +1
Unvote, Vote New Guy

It's obvious no one else see's PCM as scummy as I do, but we'll see in the D2 phase. I'm willing to bet someone or I will catch his slips.

[edocsil]

See, I love how blind PCM is playing, he only states activity in his list and thinks all the inactives are 'normal' Look at the Bulge or Matrix PCM, look at them and tell me where they are. Neither are going anywhere on a D2 phase with 60+ pages covered because we fight with each other and let the inactives.. be inactive.

If you think their playing is normal I'd hate to see what it'd take for you to see it as unnormal.

I also find it interesting that OTHERS that I didn't refer to when I said seek out the things on others, that they mention the joke votes stage when we are past that, and you do not. Yea, I'd say you weren't paying attention if there were a group of people still in joke votes and you didn't care enough to put them on your observations.

That being said, I find your list insufficient PCM, it's like commenting on the clouds... That one's round, that one's big, that one's small... see how short and 'descriptive' those are? I'm not sure how much 'water' PCM's view holds, but we'll never know if we don't know more about them clouds.

Onto the serious topic of the day, I like the discussion between New Guy and /, I don't think New Guy was a town slip, he had me convinced until his latest post.

Actually now I remember saying very vividly that I dont post much on day one because everytime I do I am called out on it for some reason unseen to me till they point it out. BAM! Whole case shot down by a point that was already there.

It seems like a last attempt to get away from / without answering his post fully, and just posting fluff, with this you gain a wanted level +1
Unvote, Vote New Guy

It's obvious no one else see's PCM as scummy as I do, but we'll see in the D2 phase. I'm willing to bet someone or I will catch his slips.

New guy says the same dumb shit (no offense) every day one, and even similar things later on. You are explicitly trying to dive on an easy lynch to save your own skin.

[new guy1]

No offense taken. I hate D1 and so that is why I make very sarcastic and often very apathetic posts. I find that every case is made of fluff day one and so I take no notice of them except to use as evidence later, as you are relying on majorly people just making mistakes and getting lucky part of the time.

[jonty125]

I still see jak as #1 for a lynch.

FOS newguy seems to be using I'm always called out as a defense
FOS soundman says we should pressure kager; without voting him - a bit wishy washy.

[pancakemix]

See, I love how blind PCM is playing, he only states activity in his list and thinks all the inactives are 'normal' Look at the Bulge or Matrix PCM, look at them and tell me where they are. Neither are going anywhere on a D2 phase with 60+ pages covered because we fight with each other and let the inactives.. be inactive.

If you think their playing is normal I'd hate to see what it'd take for you to see it as unnormal.

That's just plain untrue. I pointed out things I thought were scummy. I pointed out about 4-5 people who need to say more. You sure I'm the one being blind?

Let's not forget that you and I have different definitions of "inactive"...

I also find it interesting that OTHERS that I didn't refer to when I said seek out the things on others, that they mention the joke votes stage when we are past that, and you do not. Yea, I'd say you weren't paying attention if there were a group of people still in joke votes and you didn't care enough to put them on your observations.

Wasn't aware of it until /'s response to that post I just made. I read that post and thought he was FOSing Xenhu and making a joke himself. Tell me, if you're so aware of it, why didn't you point it out?

That being said, I find your list insufficient PCM, it's like commenting on the clouds... That one's round, that one's big, that one's small... see how short and 'descriptive' those are? I'm not sure how much 'water' PCM's view holds, but we'll never know if we don't know more about them clouds.

You asked for a list, not a novel. I could write a novel if you'd like, but it would probably about space or something. You asked for my opinions on mafia players. That's what you got.

It's not as though I thought in any universe you'd actually think that list was sufficient...

Onto the serious topic of the day, I like the discussion between New Guy and /, I don't think New Guy was a town slip, he had me convinced until his latest post.

Actually now I remember saying very vividly that I dont post much on day one because everytime I do I am called out on it for some reason unseen to me till they point it out. BAM! Whole case shot down by a point that was already there.

It seems like a last attempt to get away from / without answering his post fully, and just posting fluff, with this you gain a wanted level +1
Unvote, Vote New Guy

It's obvious no one else see's PCM as scummy as I do, but we'll see in the D2 phase. I'm willing to bet someone or I will catch his slips.

At this point, I can tell you're just running scared. Your vote on cowboyz "being inactive" is more legitimate than ever, and now you decide to turn away?

If I am being blind (and I don't think I am), at the very least I see some more important things, like the way you won't address my case directly, and how you outright lie about what I've said.

FOS soundman says we should pressure kager; without voting him - a bit wishy washy.

Um.

Vote Kager. He's posted nothing but fluff and has been missing for a while.

[jonty125]

FOS soundman says we should pressure kager; without voting him - a bit wishy washy.

Um.

Vote Kager. He's posted nothing but fluff and has been missing for a while.

My bad. VC said sound is not voting.

[jak111]

There isn't much to address from you PCM, besides some things you decide to try and pick apart on. Now you say my case on Cowboyz was legit? Really? I think you're just trying to do strawman logic.
Me: "I vote Cowboyz for being inactive himself and making a deal about inactives"
PCM Strawman: "I vote Jak for voting Cowboyz, herp derp"
Me: "I vote New Guy to help with the case and help out OTHERS"
PCM Strawman: "But your case on Cowboyz was legit, now you're running scared, herp derp"

Yes, I'm totally shaking in my shoes PCM. I'm sort of wondering how many of the people are voting me for the wagon, for the 'cases' you bring up on me, or just to vote, and I wonder how many people don't vote me for other cases, they believe what I say, or are inactive. The ones following your case, can they tell me what makes sense of your posts? Besides going to a band wagon you have no real logic. I vote for Cowboyz, you're after me, I unvote Cowboyz, you're after me. So do you want me to do a paradox vote? You must be really out to get me if I'm not allowed to be on either side of the fence that you put up for no apparent reason.

*Voting for Cowboyz*
~Fence~
*Not voting for Cowboyz*

All I'm going to say to you PCM, is MAKE UP YOUR MIND of which side of the fence you like, because right now your logic is in the BW that you were accusing me of when I gave my reasons for voting Cowboyz. Thus, further strengthening my suspicion of something going on with you.

You say I have acted scummy? Where have I acted any differently than you're acting against me? Besides starting the day off with a small case I haven't done anything terribly bad if anyone cares to go check. You jumped right on me the second I decide to get the game into something serious which is funny because usually you'd think someone would be thankful for getting out of the BS part of D1. But nope, not you.

If you want me to go at you directly PCM, I could but I don't want to spam more paragraphs to deaf ears. You've been dead set on me ever since I really got the day started for us, but HEY, that's a total scum move, right?

As for the New Guy case, because you know, I want to contribute to town instead of acting childish with continuing a pointless fight (which you do seem like a 5 year old right now PCM, "BUT HE SAID I'M UGLY MOMMY!") So far I've given my reasons for moving on from PCM, not Cowboyz, Herp Derp, to New Guy. The only thing I can say to Edoc since that's the only person so far who has really commented anything on New Guy since my last post, is that I'm going to New Guy BECAUSE he seems scummy to me and others think so as well. He'd not be scummy if he wasn't complaining about the case on him and avoiding /. Yes, I'm well aware I'm avoiding PCM, but that's because he's like a child who just lost his favorite pacifier, whining about this and that about me, while doing it himself. If he's going to call me out on something he might as well take his time to not do it himself.

[Leehar]

FOS soundman says we should pressure kager; without voting him - a bit wishy washy.

Um.

Vote Kager. He's posted nothing but fluff and has been missing for a while.

My bad. VC said sound is not voting.

Yeah, it was after that vc. You weren't triggered by the fact that you called me out for voting edoc and yet that vote wasn;t on there either?

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Internet is fixed. Will reread and post thoughts later today

[LSU Tiger Josh]

I just love when I clearly make a point of finding a way to let everyone know why I'm not here and get not just one, but two knuckleheads that want to vote me. TY PCM for pointing out to them why I wasn't posting. On a side note, moving out of town or lack of internet notes out of the main forum seems to be a bit UNHELPFUL for those that are playing the game. Back in the day, we would post it one time in the mafia lounge so EVERY game could easily see it for a couple of days instead of having it "hid" in a subforum that most don't look. I'm NOT a fan of that being moved.

Vote Jak

You seem way too happy to just happily jump on a lynch that had at the very least shitty information on it using old cc games from over 4 months ago when I was working 18 hour shifts. For now, I think you're the most guilty one on my initial reread although I am not 100% sold on keeping that vote on you for today.

FOS Edoc
Why even look up old CC games and not take into account the dates on them. Sure looking up old games can be a way to see if someone is around, but unless you actually look into games, that person could have also arranged a sub to play for them and you wouldn't even know it unless you went into each CC game itself. Looking up last posts is definitely a better way to check for someone's activity.

Be back later today or early tomorrow since wife needs me to go do some stuff now.