Mad Men Mafia - Day 2 (6/9) Town Wins!

[Yomiel]

The game may very well hinge on Shaggy and Sam changing their votes to Neb. Otherwise, the Mafia gets a huge advantage in just one turn.@_@

[ShaggyDan]

But according to you I'm already scum...

I''m calling it right now. These two are the Mafia. Their posts make no sense, and they try to bully people into claiming.

Unvote: Shaggy
Vote: Campin

Plus in this set up we can afford two mislynches. The game definitely doesn't hinge on this day one lynch and personally I find it scummy you're amping up this lynch to be more important than it actually is.

My vote is definitely staying where it is. I would say you should claim but frankly I don't think it would change my mind as with one power role outed already I would urge any other power role to think very hard about the risks of outing in response to a claim from Yom.

Also the pushing of suspicion onto the claimed jailkeeper is still striking me as incredibly scummy. I definitely would be surprised for scum to claim a power role with little provocation on day one. They would have to hope that it is one of the set ups with just a cop or just a doc... Leaving a one in three chance that it would pay off at all.

Here's hoping we have a doc to be on the jailkeeper. And if the jailkeeper does indeed turn out to be scum then that is very poor play by the mafia that miraculously paid off.

[DiM]

i just have to say this is a total blast to watch from the outside. seeing yomiel get utterly confused in the nonsense is hilarious. then once you catch up to his lies and confront him all of a sudden you're accused of being mafia/instigator/rude/jerk/etc.

it's absolutely mind boggling why he has been kept in the game by the mod, but what's even more surprising is the fact that he hasn't been lynched yet. i mean he's changing his theories from one day to another, he's eager to lynch whoever he can, he's being obnoxious and a pathetic beggar.

from the outside it's fricking awesome. it has comedy, it has drama, it has suspense. it's the perfect recipe for a tv show.
hands down i'm starting to appreciate the entertainment value of somebody like yomiel. i guess trolls do have their roles.

[Yomiel]

What is wrong with the players of this game? Why are you so easily falling for their lies? Campin's claim obviously doesn't add up and is a little TOO convenient. When you add in their nonexistent case on me, it just makes them more suspicious. And your words just now showcase what makes me suspicious of you. I UNVOTED Campin for Neb, yet you both still claim I'm pushing for his lynch, which is not the first time we've caught you skimming, is it? And there is NO reason to believe Campin's claim.

If anything, you guys buying into his claim so easily is a serious folly. And if there is a Doctor, then you have the Doctor protecting a member of the Mafia, instead of one of the Townies? We can't afford this kind of mistake!


Dim, you are not in this game, and posting in it just to troll and harass is incredibly rude, to all of us and to the host. Kindly get lost.

[Yomiel]

The Town needs to wise up before it's too late. We don't have enough players or power roles to make reckless mistakes. Campin has been suspicious from Day 1, and he has been manipulating the Town effortlessly. Everyone buys into his every word without reason.

[ShaggyDan]

I wasn't skimming at all, yes you changed your vote but you were still doubting.the validity of campin's claim.

How does campin's claim not add up? If anything saying the claim is fake does not add up. I can't see mafia claiming a power role in an open set up as early as day one. Especially with jailkeeper, there are too many chances for it to go wrong on them. There already being a jailkeeper for starters. Also with the role of jailkeeper it is pretty easy to test their night actions if they happen to target another power role. Any other role would be easier to fake claim. He's not one hundred percent clear, but for day one I'm willing to buy it and re evaluate if things change down the track.

Occam's razor, the claim is believable. The suggestion that it isn't real is less believable.

With all that plus the fact that I think your case on him doesn't hold much weight leads me to believe your suggestion of it not being real is a last ditch effort to not get
lynched

Fastposted: we have two mislynches till we're at mylo. I'm not saying I want to make a mistake but a day one mislynch is hardly the end of the game. You're going to have to put forward something better than "If you lynch me we lose." for me to change my.vote.

[Yomiel]

There is no reason to blindly believe his claim, especially given that he makes it right after Neb says I claimed that same role. The timing and it being Campin of all people are more than enough to be suspicious. Also, I was very close to being lynched, so him claiming to have one of the few power roles was just incredibly reckless. If he were Town, he'd be practically handing himself over to the Mafia. It's also pretty much impossible to prove the claim other than killing him.

And for the millionth time, it is HIS case that holds no weight. He has nothing at all on me, yet everyone is just voting me blindly, and it's going to backfire horribly. Open your eyes, people! If you let this happen, you're only going to have yourselves to blame, no matter how much you try and say otherwise.

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Well, we have like three or four lynches depending on our luck, we don't necessarily need power roles, if yomiel is telling the truth, which I honestly have no idea what so ever of, since she refuses to throw us even the slightest bone, the only logical move I can see campin doing as jailkeeper would be protection/blocking, making the role useless anyhow, I am currently for lynching yomiel, but would ask the following questions first.

1. There is a 50% chance the setup contains one jailkeeper, thus scum should logically not claim recklessly for fear of being counterclaimed, Is there any specific reason to think campin is not a jailkeeper?

2.Is there any reason to think there is not a jailkeeper in the game?

3. You are, if telling the truth, a cop, that is the only role you logically can be is you are telling the truth, if you were jailkeeper you would have counterclaimed and gotten campin lynched, if you were doc you wouldn't be speculating on the doctors actions, we have eliminated all other possibilities, just say yes or no depending on weather I'm correct or not.

[Yomiel]

I've claimed as much as I'm going to, so don't act like I've given you nothing. O_O

Of course there is reason to think Campin is not what he claims. First, it's a little too convenient that he of all people would claim to have that role. Neb says I claimed to be the Jailkeeper when I did not, then immediately, Campin says that is his role, so I am a liar who should be lynched. This is the same guy who has been pushing like crazy to get me killed. Second, why take the risk at this stage? I'm about to be killed, so there was really no pressing need to reveal himself as a power role. I had not actually claimed to be that role, nor was there any sign of people unvoting me.

I cannot say anymore, lest I mess up my strategy.

[everywhere116]

Does that satisfy you, /?

[ShaggyDan]

Second, why take the risk at this stage? I'm about to be killed, so there was really no pressing need to reveal himself as a power role. I had not actually claimed to be that role, nor was there any sign of people unvoting me. 

I cannot say anymore, lest I mess up my strategy.

The risk is far greater if you were scum, once you flipped he would have been insta lynched day two. Where as if he is actually JK it makes sense to out so people don't unvote the scum.

As for your strategy; you should definitely reconsider it. Not claiming on top of other things is just making you look worse. If your town then why hide it after you've already said you have a power? The only reason to lie is if your scum.

[Yomiel]

If I were Mafia, then I would just lie. Like Campin. Never underestimate the Mafia. I had a case built against me with nothing, yet people bought it. Then someone falsely states that I claimed Jailkeeper, and another claims that is his rules-the same player who has been trying hard to get me lynched. If someone else had said that was their role, he probably would have said he was just trying to force me to claim or something. When you see my role, you may realize what a mistake you made, but will you be able to stop the Mafia at that point? Knowing Campin, there is a slim possibility he could be lying Town, certain I'm Mafia and willing to say anything to kill me.

[thechuck51]

Vote Count 1.6

/ ( ) -
Campin Killer ( ) -
Count Belisle ( ) -
Jonty125 ( ) -
everywhere116 ( ) -
ShaggyDan (1) - /
Nebuchadnezer (2) - Yomiel, Count Belisle
samgrossy ( ) -
yomiel (4) - Campin_Killer, samgrossy, ShaggyDan, everywhere116 ~ L-1 ~

Not Voting - Jonty125, Nebuchadnezer

if there are any errors in the vote count let me know.

with 9 alive it takes a 5 to lynch. Deadline is July 26th @ 10pm EST

*** quick note: Vote counts will be done each evening around 10pm EST and I am putting links to each vote count in the OP.[/quote]

[Nebuchadnezer]

Vote Count 1.6

/ ( ) -
Campin Killer ( ) -
Count Belisle ( ) -
Jonty125 ( ) -
everywhere116 ( ) -
ShaggyDan (1) - /
Nebuchadnezer (2) - Yomiel, Count Belisle
samgrossy ( ) -
yomiel (4) - Campin_Killer, samgrossy, ShaggyDan, everywhere116 ~ L-1 ~

Not Voting - Jonty125, Nebuchadnezer

if there are any errors in the vote count let me know.

with 9 alive it takes a 5 to lynch. Deadline is July 26th @ 10pm EST

*** quick note: Vote counts will be done each evening around 10pm EST and I am putting links to each vote count in the OP.

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Lol...I wasn't voting Yomiel? Hah! Let's end this. Vote Yomiel

[Yomiel]

Well, this was no fun. I hope your proud of yourselves. There is one thing I have no respect for-poor players. You guys just copied the strategy that was used to bully me over on MafiaScum, and there is no honor in that. And now you mock me. You never had a case against me. You two hate me, so I'm not surprised you targeted me, but don't act like you actually built some brilliant case. And those of you who bandwagoned with them, I'm disappointed. Because they never built a case against me. You didn't care. You just ignored that. I'm not giving up, no matter how many games you two ruin for me. Campin makes up lies to accuse me of being Mafia in every game we're in together, so this is nothing new.

[DiM]

shut up yomiel. you're an imbecile.
in each game you accuse people of making up lies and targeting you. are you an idiot? do you even realise how many people you've already accused?

let's see. me, edocsil, vodean, campin, jak111, lsu tiger, jgordon and there are probably more as i haven't looked at all your games.

do you really think all these people have nothing better to do than stalk you, harass you and lynch you in every game? furthermore do you actually think these people are always mafia? what would be the odds of that?
for crying out loud, in this game you said me vodean and campin are mafia for sure. (3 mafia in a 9 person game is absurd) but that's not all. once vodean and me were replaced we stopped being mafia. the roles didn't change but because our replacements didn't vote for you you stopped saying they are mafia. instead you complained neb is mafia.
you're absurd in all your actions and you do nothing but bitch and moan that people target you for personal reasons. who the hell do you think cares enough about you to do that. you're nothing. do you think i'd waste my time to stalk you and target you? get over yourself you little troll.

all the people that you've accused to make things personal have played here before, some even for years and they never had problems with anybody else. nobody accused them of being instigators, stalkers, trolls or even worse like you have. i haven't seen any of those people use coarse language until you came.
for the first time since i've played mafia here i saw people asking for a replacement or a modkill on account of being a troll. you guessed it, you were the troll, and not once but 3 times i've seen this happen with you.

the only logical conclusion is that you're the problem.

frankly i would not be surprised to see you turn up town again and blame people for a mislynch when in fact you're the one who could have prevented being lynched but chose to act like an idiot and spoil the game for everybody.

i hope nobody allows you in their game from now on.

PS: i apologize for this post. i know i'm not in the game but i'm just really pissed because i actually love the mad men show and i was very much looking forward to playing this and i couldn't because of this troll.
this is my last post here as i do not want to sidetrack the topic.

edit// since i said it's my last post i guess i'll have to edit here. yomiel, i have no idea what PMs you want to report to the staff but i've never ever sent you one.

[Yomiel]

Your whole post just proves you're one of the problems, not me. Because you're a bully and an instigator.

You replaced out of this game. You are no longer a part of it. You're not even a dead player. That means you should not be posting here.

When you were in this game, you did do nothing but make up lies and target me solely for your dislike. I have no doubt your group got this idea when I mentioned the MafiaScum people doing it to harass me in that thread here. If I turn out to be Mafia, you'll act like it's some big victory, when you were not basing it on anything but your own hatred. If I turn out to be Town, you just write it off and claim it was because I was a poor player. It's a pathetic and cruel strategy that ruins the fun of the game. You three prevented this game from being any fun, and even after replacing out, you still continue to do just that.

I almost feel sorry for you, because all you can do is keep lying and calling me names. It's sad, but it won't make me run away. I'm not leaving this site willingly. This whole pathetic plot to try and force hosts to keep me out of their games is getting old, and I'm saving all the PMs to send to the staff here.

Stop blaming me for how you and your friends behaved. This should have been fun, but you insisted on ruining it. You said things that were beyond offensive, and not just in this topic. I've done my best to be civil towards you, but you keep on trying to harass me. It backfired this time, because the host and several players saw through you, which is what saved me from being forced out of the game.

[samgrossy]

I quick "I know you are, but what am I" post would be easier for both Yomiel, the 14 y.o., and DiM, the guy not even playing in the game. This is getting a bit absurd. I'm a newbie and I feel that all this is just crazy stuff.

I don't don't know if this is appropriate in this type of game, but I'll say it anyway: take your shit to a different playground because its getting ridiculous.

Can I double vote? For my second vote, DiM. Or maybe I could talk the scum into lynching DiM tonight.

So here is *MY* solution - Yomiel - Avoid games with these guys. DiM - Avoid games with yomiel. Problem solved.

Unless of course you both want to fight over the internet like you're getting a divorce.

[Yomiel]

I can be civil, they can't. They'll put the game in jeopardy just to harass me, because they want to get my blacklisted by every host here. If refusing to sign up if I'm allowed to play doesn't work, they'll usually just pick fights in the games, knowing I'll get blamed. I don't want games to become a competition of who can sign up first, especially since they've already made it so that there are few hosts who will even let me in their games.

[vodean]

yomiel shut up. you're dead.

chuck, please add me to the reserves list.

[Yomiel]

Another person who shows up just to harass me.-.- And nothing is official set. Stop instigating.

[Campin_Killer]

You've been lynched. Ergo, you are dead. It is official that you are dead, as Neb voted you at L-1, so you are now lynched

[Count Belisle]

these might be games, but remember this you probably act like this in life.

when 1 person call you a jerk, it more in likely their problem bad and such. but when 2 or more start calling you a jerk, you might want to start looking inward.

I have went and look at a lot of these other games, and this seems to be a running theme with you Yomiel. and the games your in, but not happening in games with these same guy's and no you. also you even said you have been ran off many mafia sites. time to look inward. beleive or not in RL I'm a counselor for troubled youth.

[thechuck51]

Vote Count 1.7

/ ( ) -
Campin Killer (1) - Yomiel
Count Belisle ( ) -
Jonty125 ( ) -
everywhere116 ( ) -
ShaggyDan (1) - /
Nebuchadnezer ( ) -
samgrossy ( ) -
yomiel (5) - Campin_Killer, samgrossy, ShaggyDan, everywhere116, Nebuchadnezzer ~ Lynch ~

Not Voting - Count Belisle, Jonty125

Yomiel has been lynched, scene will follow shortly.

[Yomiel]

Count, you clearly know nothing about the situation, so you probably shouldn't say anything.: (