A Cino Filled Mafia (2/27) *Game Over*

[The1exile]

Firstly, "The Red Part":you are not convinced he is town by him not roleclaiming. Why the hell would he claim, he is not @ L-2. Or turned up scum in an investigation, in fact, it would be more scummy to claim under little pressure than to claim under little pressure.

You've misunderstood. My problem is not that he's hasn't roleclaimed (duh) it's that he tried to drip drop information that would lead us to believe that he is important... and I'll come to why that's important later.

Secondly, "The Orange Part": you geninuely think there is a possibility that he is a cultist AND he "leaked this info on D1". Lets have at look at where this all came from. (snip)

"The Orange Part": (because it is related to Comm9 been cult, like the previous orange part)"Many a true word is spoken in jest." Now this is your reasoning for why Comm9 sarcastically agreeing to Mandy's comment, makes him a cultee. I think it is absolute trollop. If somebody were to accuse me as a cult leader IN THE JOKEVOTE STAGE I would plead guilty as it would be humourous, regardless of my role. I cannot fathom, how you can think he was been serious.

Well, you're entitled to do that I guess. OTOH it's exactly the double-bluff tactic a cult might take. But you're giving me way too much credit for being a day-cop.

"The Red Part": (because it is related because it is related to the part about him not roleclaiming, like the previous red part) why would he reveal all about his role, when he's not at L-2???

I don't think he is revealing all about his role. In fact, I don't know for sure that he is a cultist. What I do know is that we need a lynch day 1, and he is acting suspiciously. Why do I know that?

Well, my initial suspicion of him is based on his terrible reaction to mandy's suspicion and his attempts to big up his role to the town, viz:

Well, yes and no. My victory condition (goal) has nothing to do with Fircoal, so it's not the typical lyncher/lynchee situation, but another part of my role is... Heavily associated with this situation. I'm guessing that if he'd actually get lynched, either nothing would happen or my role/powers would transform.

I totally agree with most of what is said above, that's why it's not really recommended by me as my "meta" game has nothing to do with this.

Sound like a townie-with-a-post-restriction to you? After this, he started attracting attention. Here's his defence, paraphrased:

Sarcasm sarcasm no u lynch fircoal instead sarcasm you're skimming skimming skimming hey guys look who's a big fat skimmer

The closest he got to an actual defence was when he suggested "aage/mandy/skoff" were bandwagonning.

So now, with his latest post, let's revisit his actual claim, bearing in mind his suggestions of importance before:

I am a townie with specific... "conditions."

and then some stuff about only ever posting jokes.

TL;DR I don't know that comm9 is scum - but I believe his reactions to being accused are suspicious and that he has deliberately tried to mislead the town with suggestions of his role. Since we need a lynch day 1 (this isn't really up for discussion, since giving scum a free night is always a bad idea) I think we should vote him, though I am willing to entertain other theories of who might be scum. Unfortunately, so far not even comm9 (who is the one who really should be under the moist pressure to spot scumminess in others) has presented a definite path to follow. Finally, as to the cult thing, I don't know if there is a cult but a) it is a distinct possibility I don't want to rule out and b) if there is a cult, having a lynch-free day 1 is a really bad idea.

[The1exile]

@Commander9 - I don't think this guy is scum. It seems he has a rather unfortunate role that leads people to want him dead, therefore getting distracted from the main enemies which are the mafia and their allies. The bandwagon on him, which I was originally a part of, has no strong foundation.

I summed up my reasons for believing Comm is not what he says he is above.

@The1exile - Slightly suspicious for reason aforementioned; pushing for a lynch on Commander9 much more heavily than anyone else. However, unless I'm mistaken, he seems to have gone quiet about this since other players have brought it up.

I will admit I pushed this lynch pretty hard; however, that's because this is day 1 so the best way to get any info is to see what sticks out of the joke votes etc. In Comm9's case, his defence was rubbish-to-nonexistent so I believe he is the most likely to be scum (with honourable mentions for my earlier FOS too).

The rest of your points are interesting. There may well be multiple factions, explaining some of the defence/bandwagon efforts. Something to keep in mind.

Exile, care to respond to any of the posts about yourself? Asking for nothing more than a vote count seems somewhat odd, all things considered.

I have uni all day weekdays so that was something I shot off shortly before catching the train this morning. I will try and recap now.

Your uni has begun already?

Yeah, I'm doing a PGCE.

[sheepofdumb]

I think long posts are annoying sometimes but I don't think they are anti-town. Unvote Vote Doom

Are you voting me for the disagreement or for some other reason?

I have no strong opinions on all the dust Tal has been raising and your post ticked annoyed me. So it's disagreement.

[Talapus]

In Talapus's post, he argued not to vote Commander9, and instead he voted for Nebuchadnezer. I don't think DoomYoshi would be this accusatory towards Talapus if he wasn't aligned with Neb. If Commander9 somehow survives, there will be grounds to believe that Talapus is a busdriver mafia.

ummmm, I'm confused. That wasn't my argument at all. My argument was that there was no need to waste a lynch on Com9 when someone could off him in the night. Not sure how you missed it as it's in several posts. I voted Neb and called out James for there seemingly scummy moves and playstyles which several others have now also commented on as well. And I am certainly not defending Yoshi in any way but Yoshi's whole accusatory posts towards me relied heavily on the completely misguided notion that those who post long posts are likely scum as that is usually how it works on a different site. Could he be aligned with Neb sure, other people said Yoshi seemed to derail the thread, I don't really see it that way but mafia is opinions and guesses so speak your mind.

How in the world this makes grounds for me to be a mafia busdriver is beyond me. I stated a few times if Com9 is cult, as I certainly don't buy everything he is saying and don't trust him still, then town or mafia would be completely stupid to busdrive him in the night. That just a damn quick way to give a possible third party the majority to win and town and mafia would both be screwed. This has all been discussed so not sure how much time and effort you put into your thoughts, but maybe time to try again.

[shrewstur]

In Talapus's post, he argued not to vote Commander9, and instead he voted for Nebuchadnezer. I don't think DoomYoshi would be this accusatory towards Talapus if he wasn't aligned with Neb. If Commander9 somehow survives, there will be grounds to believe that Talapus is a busdriver mafia.

ummmm, I'm confused. That wasn't my argument at all. My argument was that there was no need to waste a lynch on Com9 when someone could off him in the night. Not sure how you missed it as it's in several posts. I voted Neb and called out James for there seemingly scummy moves and playstyles which several others have now also commented on as well. And I am certainly not defending Yoshi in any way but Yoshi's whole accusatory posts towards me relied heavily on the completely misguided notion that those who post long posts are likely scum as that is usually how it works on a different site. Could he be aligned with Neb sure, other people said Yoshi seemed to derail the thread, I don't really see it that way but mafia is opinions and guesses so speak your mind.

How in the world this makes grounds for me to be a mafia busdriver is beyond me. I stated a few times if Com9 is cult, as I certainly don't buy everything he is saying and don't trust him still, then town or mafia would be completely stupid to busdrive him in the night. That just a damn quick way to give a possible third party the majority to win and town and mafia would both be screwed. This has all been discussed so not sure how much time and effort you put into your thoughts, but maybe time to try again.

When I said that you argued not to vote Commander, I meant that you were saying not to lynch him this turn. I read through all your posts, I just could have phrased it better is all.

[Talapus]

When I said that you argued not to vote Commander, I meant that you were saying not to lynch him this turn. I read through all your posts, I just could have phrased it better is all.

Ok, i get that, but where the heck did you come up with me being a mafia busdriver. That just seems out of the blue.

[rishaed]

We don't even have any idea if there is a Mafia Busdriver? Sure there could be one, but its currently not confirmed. Got more thoughts, will post later. Got 1 1/2 event ahead.

[DoomYoshi]

When I said that you argued not to vote Commander, I meant that you were saying not to lynch him this turn. I read through all your posts, I just could have phrased it better is all.

Ok, i get that, but where the heck did you come up with me being a mafia busdriver. That just seems out of the blue.

I suggested it initially.

When I say one long post in Island Mafia, I mean of all the posts in all the mafia games that rishaed has played there was only a single long post. So, the statistical sample is small, but he clearly has no idea what he is talking about.

oh, like this one maybe?
long post1
or this one
or maybe this one?
That's enough however. I usually do keep my posts short and concise. Why should I use two sentences to say what I can use one with? I use long posts when building cases and posting my thoughts and comments on said cases. However that is enough of a tangent from outside the thread.
How can you say that you didn't completely derail the thread from a Neb line of thought? After Tal, voted Neb directely and had a long post as such, you completely attacked Tal, which then drew attention from Neb/JamKer, and a page or two later Neb's name is nowhere to be seen.
Also the long post being scummy is BS. And I don't have to post long posts to know the information that I get out of them, or the potential information is greater.

I did miss the Bo2012 post, my bad. The other two don't count as walls.

Your point 1 is incorrect. The person who actually led the case on Neb even disagrees with you there. So, if I derailed the case on Neb so bad, why are you focusing on me while those who are actually interested in the Neb case are focused over there?

I can't do anything about your gut feeling though. Note that I play nearly identical town to scum. I am surprised I'm not a policy lynch around here (and so is Neb). Many times I don't read my role PM so saying that I act a certain way on Day 1 means you know me better than I know myself.

Now, I don't like how Neb is buddying up to me.

vote Neb

[aage]

Now, I don't like how Neb is buddying up to me.

vote Neb

I agree that this post is definitively off:

3. Doomyoshi - You are more my style. You type what you think with no filter at all. I sometimes wonder how you stay alive in these games ...but I do agree that Talapus is flooding us with walls of text.

But that was two pages ago, why the change of heart? Rish convinced you? You don't need him for that.

[rishaed]

@ Doom, Link the part where you said TAL disagreed, I'm not finding it. You attacking me after I fos'd and disagreed with you on the part about long posts didn't help either. Its called being highly aggressive when at that point I hadn't even voted you yet. I realize that you were trying to destroy any credibility on the subject I had, but it came off weird. As far as why I am voting you instead of Neb, both of you are pretty scummy to me. I am just trying to either gain momentum on one or the other.
Back and forth on the Neb going all buddy buddy on you. The no deadline is comforting seeing as there is still quite a bit of infighting. For today I would like at least one solid claim before going into the night.
Where is Iliad??????!

[Nebuchadnezer]

Lol...re-reading my post, it does looking like my lips are glued to doom's butt. It was unintentional. Doom just amuses me sometimes. Just as I'm sure my scummy posting amuses the scum. I am not Doom's buddy, and I would be foolish to paint that picture.

[Commander9]

Didn't have enough time today. Should make a big post tomorrow.

[DoomYoshi]

@ Doom, Link the part where you said TAL disagreed, I'm not finding it.

other people said Yoshi seemed to derail the thread, I don't really see it that way

According to talapus, I didn't derail the thread, or his case on Neb.

@aage: 2 pages ago? With 27 players, that is just over a post per player. It is also less than 24 hours difference. I wanted to see how the rishaed thing played out first, especially since I went looking through his mafia history as I have a meta on him as being a concise player normally. The rishaed thing is played out. He seems more confused townie than scum trying to blackwash me.

[Minister Masket]

Exile, care to respond to any of the posts about yourself? Asking for nothing more than a vote count seems somewhat odd, all things considered.

I have uni all day weekdays so that was something I shot off shortly before catching the train this morning. I will try and recap now.

Your uni has begun already?

Mine has. Not that that won't stop me from being active.

The excessive drinking however might.

[aage]

@aage: 2 pages ago? With 27 players, that is just over a post per player.

Yet you made three posts since (okay, two of them consecutively). But okay, the rishaed thing. I suppose that's only fair since Neb was backing you up and you're juggling several cases.

Vote neb I should've in my last post. I suppose I wanted DY's response.

[The Weird One]

Sorry for the postless day...Got swamped by homework, and, at a glance, there wasn't much for me to comment on, at the time. I'll try to make a long post, this evening, if I get a chance...I'll post something, at the least.

[iAmCaffeine]

Since there hasn't really been any progress after my last post, I'm just going to sit tight and reiterate that my vote is currently on Neb for reasons already stated.

The1exile raised some interesting points, but I'm not convinced Comm9 is mafia. I think it more likely he's a fool of some sort.

[jonty125]

Just because this is in a spoiler, it doesn't mean don't read, it's just to make the post look less foreboding.

show: DoomYoshis Comments About Long Posts

Re: this above post. which was my (jonty125) case on The exile Why no green part comments? I don't mind the colors after all, it just seems weird.

also:
"I would plead guilty as it would be humourous, regardless of my role."

Is it actually humorous? Have you ever laughed during the jokevote stage. I never did.

Yes, yes I have.

Can I just throw out a polite request here? [yes, I'm just as guilty as everyone else when it comes to these accusations]:

For right now, at least, can we just accept that everyone is skimming to some extent. When it gets down to the only players who are posting anything just pointing at each other and saying how much each of us is skimming, we aren't making any progress. Whether or not the accusations hold water I'm not bringing up. All I'm saying is that the accusations are just bogging down the miniscule handful of actives.

Or I could just be dead wrong.

I don't skim them intentionally, and I normally read through the posts that have posted since my last, twice before I post.


Neb's post was less than impressive. You all know which one I'm on about if you've been following. So FOS Neb.


I'll respond to the exile maybe later tonight or in the morning. I'm shattered from college, but I have read it, and my first impression is that we are going to have to agree to disagree.

[safariguy5]

So it seems like Doom threw out the long post=scum argument out there to test rishaed's meta? And that rishaed seems scummy because he usually doesn't post long cases/paragraphs?

I suppose it's an interesting idea, but my main issue is why Doom would put a blanket statement out there. It can (and did) elicit strong reactions from a lot of people. Perhaps he was trying to see if anyone would agree with him? Still however, I don't really understand how taking that meta angle on rishaed would be useful. This is putting aside the fact that rishaed showed long or longish posts that he has made.

[The1exile]

I suppose it's an interesting idea, but my main issue is why Doom would put a blanket statement out there.

Maybe mandy can tell us who deals in absolutes, if he comes back.

[Talapus]

I suppose it's an interesting idea, but my main issue is why Doom would put a blanket statement out there.

Maybe mandy can tell us who deals in absolutes, if he comes back.

God help us if he comes back with crazy theories and ideas. The last thing we need is to give Sherwood's record breaking day 1 a run for it's money. Unless of course it reveals all scum day one and gets results...lol

[Anarkistsdream]

Sherwood was an awesome game. Sorry I have been away... Visiting my parents out of state...

Sadly, right now, I want to vote several people, but only get one vote, so I still need to keep it where it is....

Maybe if you all were as smart as me with all my education, thiswould have already been solved.

[DoomYoshi]

So it seems like Doom threw out the long post=scum argument out there to test rishaed's meta? And that rishaed seems scummy because he usually doesn't post long cases/paragraphs?

I suppose it's an interesting idea, but my main issue is why Doom would put a blanket statement out there. It can (and did) elicit strong reactions from a lot of people. Perhaps he was trying to see if anyone would agree with him? Still however, I don't really understand how taking that meta angle on rishaed would be useful. This is putting aside the fact that rishaed showed long or longish posts that he has made.

No, I threw the argument out there because I play impulsively. The rishaed thing came after.

[jonty125]

The1exile, I can see your reasoning, however, I disagree, that he has and I quote; "deliberately tried to mislead the town". I believe a D1 claim is needed, but not as far as D1 lynch (in all circumstances) so unvote. Because now that you have fully explained yourself, I still believe, with the greatest respect your wrong, but being wrong doesn't make you scum (for the matter is subjective, as of now).

[Fircoal]

For the record, no one has been prodded because either people can not be bothered to actually read what's going on in the thread or they don't care.