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[rishaed]

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[Nendreel]

Yikes, this game is getting confusing fast.
As a preface to my post I'll have to state that I am a human, but I did not get the same role as most of the other humans.
From what I gather, the near-VT humans function as semi-JOATs. They are allowed to ask specific questions about a target of their choice.
Based on the rules, insanity occurs if they encounter certain events.
I pressume that these certain events involve Elder Gods or monster encounters.

Rishaed visited Vodean and didn't go insane, which implies Vodean would be human (as he claimed)
Vodean visited Betiko and did go insane, therefore Betiko is not human.

The main issue I have with this case, is that the questions asked N1 were Tracker related, but seem to be broken.
Rishaed tracked Vodean who didn't go anywhere, but Vodean tracked Betiko (who also went nowhere) but this means Vodean did go somewhere. So if the Tracker question is broken, what's the point of it?

vote betiko since he seems to be non-human.

[rishaed]

Nah, Betiko's human just like me/doom. He let go info that only we could know, that wasn't already given in posts.

[DoomYoshi]

Ok, later on I will explain my confusion betiko.
unvote

Humans
vodean
jonty (these 2 are insane)
Sully
yoshi
edoc
rishaed (how did I forget this one)
Kanin (maybe)
Rodion (iffy at first, def on this list now though)
betiko

Non-Humans:
spiesr
strike wolf
Nendreel (but probably not a monster)
Commander9 (leaning scum)
ghostly (unsure on alignment, slight fos)
Iron Butterfly (fos'ed)
jak
safariguy
new guy (last minute change due to gut feeling)

Unsure right now:
LSU (still strongly leaning scum, playing very similar to vodean, but without the humanity)
pcm (could be a human trying really hard to pretend not to be)
voldemort (not posting enough to really tell)
thehippo8 (this guy is impossible to read)
Swifte
crazymilkshake5 (who hasn't posted at all yet... WTF??)

Nendreel, you are basically confiriming what I wrote in this post^.

Ok, next up: LSU.vote LSU

[Nendreel]

Ok, later on I will explain my confusion betiko.
unvote

Humans
vodean
jonty (these 2 are insane)
Sully
yoshi
edoc
rishaed (how did I forget this one)
Kanin (maybe)
Rodion (iffy at first, def on this list now though)
betiko

Non-Humans:
spiesr
strike wolf
Nendreel (but probably not a monster)
Commander9 (leaning scum)
ghostly (unsure on alignment, slight fos)
Iron Butterfly (fos'ed)
jak
safariguy
new guy (last minute change due to gut feeling)

Unsure right now:
LSU (still strongly leaning scum, playing very similar to vodean, but without the humanity)
pcm (could be a human trying really hard to pretend not to be)
voldemort (not posting enough to really tell)
thehippo8 (this guy is impossible to read)
Swifte
crazymilkshake5 (who hasn't posted at all yet... WTF??)

Nendreel, you are basically confiriming what I wrote in this post^.

Ok, next up: LSU.vote LSU

This would probably be easier if I just said yes, but I think it's best I be clear about this.

I am human, but I don't have the same role or ability as the JOAT humans (Doom, rish, betiko, etc.).

unvote with both Doom and rish clearing Betiko, I'll have to rethink what's going on.

[Rodion]

The main issue I have with this case, is that the questions asked N1 were Tracker related, but seem to be broken.
Rishaed tracked Vodean who didn't go anywhere, but Vodean tracked Betiko (who also went nowhere) but this means Vodean did go somewhere. So if the Tracker question is broken, what's the point of it?

You're missing the point.

a) player A tracks player B -> player A visits player B and that can be shown in other tracker/watcher reports
b) player A asks Yog-Sothoth where player B went -> player A never left his home, so tracking says he did not go anywhere

[pancakemix]

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When was you last check in, five minutes ago? I'm here and I've been posting. I've voiced my concerns about vodean and as of right now, I think Doom's judgement is the best out of anyone's right now.

Sorry, but without a vote my hands are pretty much tied.

[spiesr]

As a preface to my post I'll have to state that I am a human, but I did not get the same role as most of the other humans.
From what I gather, the near-VT humans function as semi-JOATs. They are allowed to ask specific questions about a target of their choice.
Based on the rules, insanity occurs if they encounter certain events.
I pressume that these certain events involve Elder Gods or monster encounters.

Rishaed visited Vodean and didn't go insane, which implies Vodean would be human (as he claimed)
Vodean visited Betiko and did go insane, therefore Betiko is not human.

To the best of my understanding the way insanity works regarding the questions is that whenever you ask a question there is a chance of you losing sanity. The more "valuable" the question is the greater the chance of you losing sanity (or perhaps the more debilitating the insanity can be).

[Kanin Usagi]

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When was you last check in, five minutes ago? I'm here and I've been posting. I've voiced my concerns about vodean and as of right now, I think Doom's judgement is the best out of anyone's right now.

Sorry, but without a vote my hands are pretty much tied.

It looks like his list boils down to "People I haven't seen post in two pages." Doom's is much easier to read and more accurate (IMHO), so that's the one I suggest we follow. With that being said, I'm with Doom, so vote LSU.

Could we get a prod of Crazymilkshake5 please?

[new guy1]

I would like to say sorry that I was have not posted much of substance, I have been out, just read up, and it seems everyone is voting LSU. Im going to go back as I seem to have missed the post that everyone went off on, but I know that there was mention of him in doom's list of players that listed him as most likely scum. With that said, Im going to go back and look at all of his (LSU's) posts to see if I think he is vote worthy to me...

PR's don't have to "appear in every post". I've been in a game where I had a pr but only had to do it once a day. Doom to me is trying to hard to get lynched so something may be up with that. As far as VT knowing who each other are, it is a possibility but I am more inclined to believe that it is not that way for all of them. Rishaed is also someone that I am a bit suspicious of at this time.

Unvote Vote Doom

I want sully replaced.

The blue part is why I am voting him. Not only did he post little in the game (I am guilty of the same thing), but most of his posts seem to be incriminating doom and then he is saying here that hes leaning towards VT's not all knowing who each other are and such, which would say he is not a human, since he isnt sure, (as far as I can tell) and therefore he may be a threat to town, so I will Vote LSU.

[thehippo8]

I don't think much of the case on LSU. It is just fluff.

Of more concern to me is Nendreel. He claims human but seems so far away from what the others are posting that to me it looks like a fake claim. He hasn't posted enough to completely hang him but his I'm a human but not a JOAT thing is so completely contra to the others that we either don't believe Nendreel or we don't believe the rest of the claimed humans. Frankly, and based on my PMs, I don't believe Nendreel.

So,unvote vote Nendreel.

[Iron Butterfly]

Yikes, this game is getting confusing fast.
As a preface to my post I'll have to state that I am a human, but I did not get the same role as most of the other humans.
From what I gather, the near-VT humans function as semi-JOATs. They are allowed to ask specific questions about a target of their choice.
Based on the rules, insanity occurs if they encounter certain events.
I pressume that these certain events involve Elder Gods or monster encounters.

Rishaed visited Vodean and didn't go insane, which implies Vodean would be human (as he claimed)
Vodean visited Betiko and did go insane, therefore Betiko is not human.

The main issue I have with this case, is that the questions asked N1 were Tracker related, but seem to be broken.
Rishaed tracked Vodean who didn't go anywhere, but Vodean tracked Betiko (who also went nowhere) but this means Vodean did go somewhere. So if the Tracker question is broken, what's the point of it?

vote betiko since he seems to be non-human.

The question of the day would be does one go insane if they discover something they "shouldn't" or is it the price one pays for seeking this knowledge? Why would Vodean go insane yet Rishead not? One of two reasons. Either he is right about Betiko or the mod uses a method to determine insanity.

Just like a person has a 50% chance of dieing if they have the most lynch votes but not enough to lynch, I Believe the mod roles the dice to determine insanity. One has a greater chance of going insane dependent on the knowledge sought.

What would have been the result if Vodean discovered that Betiko was The Great Baba Booey ?

I find it hard to believe that the end result of insanity is reciting poetry and speaking about the lore. If that is the Risk vs Reward
then tomorrow there will probably be an HP Lovecraft poetry circle.

[Nendreel]

I don't think much of the case on LSU. It is just fluff.

Of more concern to me is Nendreel. He claims human but seems so far away from what the others are posting that to me it looks like a fake claim. He hasn't posted enough to completely hang him but his I'm a human but not a JOAT thing is so completely contra to the others that we either don't believe Nendreel or we don't believe the rest of the claimed humans. Frankly, and based on my PMs, I don't believe Nendreel.

So,unvote vote Nendreel.

I'm not really sure how my claim is so unbelievable considering that soundman has been confirmed as a human and wasn't JOAT.

[DoomYoshi]

LSU has raised 3 points, all of which I disagree with:

a) Doom is a jester
b) rishaed is scummy
c) sully should have been replaced

Now, its fine for someone to have a different opinion than me, but unless these 3 points can be defended, they are a scummy stance in that they are the "safe" stance. I still stand by what I said when I noted that replacements aren't that amazing in this game.

I would be willing to unvote, if LSU could give one reason for each of those 3 stances. And yes, I understand that those were early day 1 stances, so I will take "back-in-time" reasoning. As I fear, there was no valid reason for any of those 3 positions (maybe the rishaed one).

[Iron Butterfly]

Why has no one addressed Vodean's statement that he has the ability to change alignment?

If he is third party human survivor as he claims and he can change alignment why would he do so? Even more important...to what alignment?

[vodean]

Why has no one addressed Vodean's statement that he has the ability to change alignment?

If he is third party human survivor as he claims and he can change alignment why would he do so? Even more important...to what alignment?

we have it as a one-shot ability. also, we dont know what alignment we get necessarily. im not going to reveal more info. maybe one of the other humans did.

betiko, i fully believe your claim, but i am curious about what you did.

doom, you are being scummy again, stop. that was early on D1, and there were a number of people who agreed.

insanity is random based on the question.

[Iron Butterfly]

So then Vodean if your role has a one shot ability to change alignment and you do not know what that alignment would change to, that would be a double edged sword.

As a third party survivor who can join a faction outside of "normal human" that would mean factions have to be very wary of who they target. I am assuming a faction/cults win condition is to gain more numbers then everyone else. By targeting "normal" humans such as yourself they have the potential of killing one of their own.

[edocsil]

So then Vodean if your role has a one shot ability to change alignment and you do not know what that alignment would change to, that would be a double edged sword.

As a third party survivor who can join a faction outside of "normal human" that would mean factions have to be very wary of who they target. I am assuming a faction/cults win condition is to gain more numbers then everyone else. By targeting "normal" humans such as yourself they have the potential of killing one of their own.

That's really not how it works at all. It isn't random.

Also betiko kinda dropped the bomb a few pages bag for sure and I hadn't noticed. That borders on quoting honestly, but w/e it isn't my decision. Definitely a "vt"

[ghostly447]

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Jonty is writing from a poem. There are 3 possible things that I can think of off the top of my head:

1. More likely: Since he is posting a constant amount (not too much) and following the poem line for line, I think he has a post limit (think about it like this. The poem as somehow trapped him inside his slumber. It is a dream from which he CANNOT awake according to the link he gave us).

2. Less likely: Once he completes the lines in this poem, he will no longer be insane.

3. Even less like: Once he completes the lines in this poem, he will die or raise someone from the dead.

4. Other

Jonty, if you are able to confirm any of these, confirm by slipping the number of the correct option in your next post. If it is something else, use the number 4 so we can try to figure it out.

I dont know why I am red on your list. I posted yesterday.

[vodean]

as one good goes, two bad come.
as i see it, the clear people are: betiko, rishaed, doom (despite his erratic behavior, he knows a lot that only humans could know as far as we know, as well as his not necessarily being a normal human like the others--> he could be like nendreel), edoc (probably), and me (despite what some of you may think, the humans can confirm that i am one of them). since humans are so plentiful, town pretty much have to accept that having us around is in your best interests at the current time.
On the other hand are people who are not human. they are not necessarily scum, but they are the ones who might be. on the list is: ghostly (probably not, but its possible i guess that hes a human), iron butterfly, nendreel, hippo (though he seems like he is trying to subtly paint himself as human specifically here), new guy1, who strikes me as very scummy in this post where he admits to scummarining, and jumps on a weak BW with poor reasoning), kanin usagi (has given little evidence either way, which i think paints him as non-human, as well as seeming very scummy in this post where he is blatantly following doom for no good reason), pancake, spiesr, rodion, nendreel (he may be human, but if so he is abnormal).


betiko, i fully believe your claim, but i am curious about what you did. (i asked this in my last post, and you havent posted since, but i am just curious. this could be potentially very valuable info. just say which action you took (the first, second, third, etc. and then what the result was).

[jonty125]

Stars that soothe and stars that bless

I have no idea on the results of this poem and I would like to hear more about Nendreel if he is soft-claiming to be a non-standard-human,

[lord voldemort]

I can confirm pancakes issue with losing his vote as I too had it happen to me. I am a captive man. And I believe pcm is the same

[rishaed]

That isn't good. . . Can you tell us what kind of role you have? This means that we have 2 people, who are probably antitown, who can restrain/procrastinate/remove votes from others so they can either avoid a lynch or whatever else. Or it is one person who can target two people with the same effects as the other scenario.
FYI starting tomorrow I will lose my internet connection until the 6th Nov. Thanks for the understanding

[lord voldemort]

I can confirm pancakes issue with losing his vote as I too had it happen to me. I am a captive man. And I believe pcm is the same

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[Nendreel]

Stars that soothe and stars that bless

I have no idea on the results of this poem and I would like to hear more about Nendreel if he is soft-claiming to be a non-standard-human,

Short of a full claim, I don't think I can tell you much more, but you may wish to recall how our Day began. Like Doom, Betiko and soundman I am (h)uman, but unlike Doom and Betiko I am not (H)uman.

Will that suffice for an explanation?