The Village of Secrets [GAME OVER] Werewolves Win!

[jak111]

I know MP is not a vampire and we will all know by tomorrow if pcm is one. I put garlic on both of you, it takes a day for its effect to work. MP is still around so he is no vampire, by tomorrow we'll know if pcm is a vampire. (Not saying they're not mafia/some other faction).

Go back and look at Jmac's posts (sort by author to make it easier). D1 his only vote really is on RD, an easy thing to wagon really at the time.

Again, D2, he did not really create any cases, attempted to defend himself once. What has he really contributed to the discussion compared to everyone else so far? I let him off the hook that day because I found something I thought pegged Jonty as mafia in my eyes.

He's not going three days with little contributed. He's not a VT that's for sure. But I doubt he's a helpful PR either.

[jak111]

Also I might not be able to use garlic tonight, basically my secondary night action requires something completed each day, then I get a second action, but there's a different percent chance I'll get action 1, 2, 3, etc.

I don't want to go further into that at the risk of quoting pm, but I landed garlic two nights in a row. I'm trying to land a different action currently that would be more beneficial I think.

But here's the items for the actions that are possible (I do not actually know what action is behind the other items until I get one).

~ Garlic: Basically kills the wearer after a day if they're vampire.
~ Stake
~ Mirror
~ Holy Water <-- Thing I'm trying to get.
~ Cross

[Anarkistsdream]

So what do we know about the vampires? They can post in the daytime? Are they like a cult? Can the scum kill them like Jak is?

[StorrZerg]

pretty sure posting in the day isn't a factor since everyone has posted....


vampires are probably just anti town like mafia.
Maybe they are a cult and need majority to win.

All i know is i have not been infected...

[kgb007]

vote jmac let's get a claim and then reevaluate

[MudPuppy]

vote jmac let's get a claim and then reevaluate

I approve of that plan: Vote jmac

[jak111]

vote jmac let's get a claim and then reevaluate

There, is that so bad? Not saying "LET'S LYNCH JMAC" right from the start, just it's where I'm heading for pressure today.

We only have me and Anark that have claimed alive today (I also claimed so that if there is mafia alive they'll focus on me instead of him), they seem to have been killing off all the guys I've been clearing out loud.

[StorrZerg]

hey jak don't clear me ok?

[StorrZerg]

vote jmac let's get a claim and then reevaluate

see this is a shitty way to go about doing anything.
first off, no one should be out right claiming anything unless a few things happen.
1. they have information AND want to share it
2. they are pressured to claim.


To say vote jmac to vote jmac is so bad. You have no attachment to the lynch process now, cause its "o i just wanted a claim" You have not staked any value into your vote.



Vote kgb007


Now lets take a better look at you. Day 1, you do a joke vote into a no lynch. And you stick with that. You also have the attitude that you can't scum hunt, so there is no point for you to pressure your own opinion. (this being super scummy) (and yes you did lightly defend jonty day 1... into a no lynch)

I did like this from you though

FP'd by spiesr

agreed...what did stating that you know of another VT do for us besides waste time? Yesterday, Storr wanted people to give their reads on people and reasons why. You're half assing it today. Just tell everyone who you think has a PR/scum role instead and quote the posts as evidence, that way when people continue dying, you can't hide behind these vague statements since you didn't actually name names

But your actions speak louder than words

C

vote jonty I never assumed a town doc and 2 others visited you with Jak watching, just presented a possible scenario of how Jak would reach the conclusion of 2 kills being blocked.

You didn't do anything for the lynch or against it yesterday. I'm an open book for the jonty lynch. It is 100% easy to see my motivation, my drive, my reasoning. You however are cloak and dagger.

[jak111]

hey jak don't clear me ok?

Someone afraid of dying? You know, for this post alone I should kill you/put garlic on you (if I get it) alone. I don't know why I've town read you through most of the game but your posts seem odd, even to me who enjoys it when people aren't always barking at me to do everything for them. *Cough* spiesr, kgb *cough* and everyone else who couldn't be assed to reread D1 to find out HotShot was a VT and outed him to IB to be killed *COUGH*.

[Anarkistsdream]

hey jak don't clear me ok?

Someone afraid of dying? You know, for this post alone I should kill you/put garlic on you (if I get it) alone. I don't know why I've town read you through most of the game but your posts seem odd, even to me who enjoys it when people aren't always barking at me to do everything for them. *Cough* spiesr, kgb *cough* and everyone else who couldn't be assed to reread D1 to find out HotShot was a VT and outed him to IB to be killed *COUGH*.

Due to the deaths we have suffered, you are the only person I trust right now... if you kill all the vampires, is that endgame for you, or do you continue to play? I ask this because it could be that we help you kill all the vamps and then you side with mafia at the end.

[StorrZerg]

So here is where i am at. Day 2 we had some people do nothing. And overall it was honestly a terrible day. Though we still got a lynch off so that was worth. (even with jonty flipping town).
So Vig was lynched, So there should have been at least 1 anti town on the lynch. imo.
We know because of n1, that almost certain a save happened of some sort. Those 2 people when outed would look super townie. (or if it was a block then 1 looks good 1 is scum)



Jmac1026, Whatsausage, They literally didn't do anything.

Jonty lynch people under suspect.
spiesr is the only other person besides myself to stay on jonty over both days. (i don't count anark here because he moved over for the lynch. He didn't have any strong feelings about jonty being scum. Spiesr also imo decided to lay back and let me do the work in convincing people. And tbh i stayed quiet for a bit on jonty because i wanted something else to develop. I started to repush super hard cause imo we started to get to close to time limit. We had 2 groups of 2 on 2 different people. And we had 2 people solo on someone else, and lastly we had 2 people who did not voice a vote. (Jmac1026, Whatsausage) That was 8 people on 4 different "scum reads" with 2 additional people not voting. If those solo votes had considered pushing on someone else, that could have changed the day. If those NO VOTES had considered putting their vote where their mouth was, that could have done something. Jonty literally seemed to give up. He put his vote on jak, and said peace and called it quits.

I feel we are in a pretty good spot, 2 confirmed scum dead. There should absolutly be no reason for people voting NO LYNCH today, OR people NOT VOTING today.

People off the lynch for today in my eyes.
Jak shot 2 confirmed scum, people he calls town die. Can't see any reason to lynch him with out someone counter claiming something on him. Looks pretty solid to me.
Anark and virus look town for the same reason of yesterday (yes anark is so much more town but that has all been hashed and said) I was able to convince both of them to switch their votes to jonty. The manner in which agreed was town in my eyes. Notice how LB was unconvinced and in his scum eyes, the best thing to do was be stubborn on his own target and not even motion to helping town to get a lynch. Both of these guys did something for the benefit of town even if the lynch turned out poor. I doubt mafia in that sense hammers the "vig" to move onto the next day. And pull heat like that.

So they people that look scummy in my eyes are Jmac1026, Whatsausage, for their no vote crap. spiesr, and of course kgb007.

[Anarkistsdream]

Well, I really think whatsausage is scum.. . Especially with his lack of posting... Do the vampires only get so many posts per day, perhaps?

[StorrZerg]

we can try to force it...

[jak111]

Well, I really think whatsausage is scum.. . Especially with his lack of posting... Do the vampires only get so many posts per day, perhaps?

I do not know, I wish I had the answers on exactly what type of faction they are, but currently I am the only one making really any successful kills in the night, so the doc/roleblocker is either super good or they are cult (wont really know until one flips).

As to your other question, I must survive after the faction is defeated so I do not think it Endgames when I kill them all.

That being said, I hope Jmac realizes he's at L3 right now (or L2, might of missed a vote on him).

I think Jmac & spiesr are the scummiest today for my two bigger FOS's. Some of you are saying Whatsausage. So getting a claim/lynch out of one of them seems to be the way to go for today. No one has come forward with better night actions or revealing more info.

Also, I will not side with mafia, I killed 2, if there's even a 3rd I'll probably end up killing him/lynching him with you guys by the end anyway.

3 mafia, 2(?) vampires, me and 9 town would seem a bit unbalanced. 2 mafia, 2 vampires, me and 10 town seems more balanced.

Also, if they are cult.. we're screwed unless we lynch them almost every single day from here on our and I get lucky with kills in the night.

[StorrZerg]

Well, I really think whatsausage is scum.. . Especially with his lack of posting... Do the vampires only get so many posts per day, perhaps?

i thought you pushed him off when LB voted him.

what changed your mind to continue with pressure on him?

[kgb007]

I thought I was pretty clear with my reason for voting Jonty but in case I wasn't, I voted him because he called my theory on N1 actions a "poor assumption". Dismissing my scenario as a possibility was the final straw. Jonty could have defended himself a little harder to draw more posts from people on the fence and expose where alliances fall but he didn't so he might as well have been a villager.

Obviously I was wrong about Jonty but voting me because I want a claim today?

Just to clarify Stor - are you saying people should only be claiming if they have information and they want to share it OR they are pressured? My vote would fall into the latter. How else would there be pressure without casting votes? Are you taken aback by my candidness and bluntness by which I cast my vote? Would it have been better if I sheeped the case against jmac stated by others or nitpicked one of jmac's posts as reason for the vote?

You can't decide whether I have an "attachment" to a lynch. Just because I vote someone who got off easy yesterday doesn't mean I devalued my vote. Hate to break it to you but my vote counts just as much your's does. Choose your words better.

[StorrZerg]

Yes your vote falls in the latter, but you are not actually pressuring. Its literally "someone else said it would be good" and your doing it. Its not cause "i like jaks reasoning, i can get behind it" its not "jmac did this thing thing that bothered me etc"

I have issue with you voting, and not clearly stating WHY. Sheeping isn't always bad... Sometimes people have better reads than others. Mafia have a hard time explaining why someone is scum since they know everyone is town. Sure they can talk and clear things up before they post. Ask "hey does this post make me look bad?" in their chat that is.

As for day 1, your whole thing against jonty can just be summed up with OMGUS. In the end, it even is worse because it wasn't because of something Jonty did, his actions, his words. You voted him because he called your theory bad. Can town or mafia call someones theory bad? DUH. Why would jonty a scum call your theory bad? Why would he call it bad as town? Thing is you didn't' do anything in regards to pushing your own opinion on the case. It honestly just looks like "had to have a reason to vote so here it is" So... I don't want you slipping away into nothingness AGAIN.

If you think jmac is scum, explain it. "he got off easy yesterday" isn't a reason for why he is scum.

[Jmac1026]

I'd love a vote count. I won't claim until L-2. And I'm very confused where people get the idea that I had soft claimed a power role (any role?) somewhere. If they'd be kind enough to point that out, because I can't find a spot where it was said.

I would like to apologize to everyone for my (for the most part) absence on Day 2. I had a particularly brutal patch of work and school, and by the time I got home everyday I was not in any mental capacity for mafia.

I would just like to point out that my read on jak (him being 3rd party) was correct. I'm not saying that gains me any brownie points, just that I like being proven right every now and again.

I'm gonna Vote storrzerg. Him telling jak111 not to clear him? Seems extremely fishy to me. Hey jak111, feel free to garlic, or holy water, or dance the macarena on me. I have nothing to hide from you.

Fastposted by storrzerg. Yes, I know he's defending me. That doesn't mean he looks innocent in my eyes. (Thanks though!)

[StorrZerg]

my comments in blue

I'd love a vote count. I won't claim until L-2. And I'm very confused where people get the idea that I had soft claimed a power role (any role?) somewhere. If they'd be kind enough to point that out, because I can't find a spot where it was said.

I would like to apologize to everyone for my (for the most part) absence on Day 2. I had a particularly brutal patch of work and school, and by the time I got home everyday I was not in any mental capacity for mafia.

So is it gonna be like this all the time? If your to busy get replaced. Why can we trust you to be "in the game now" IMO its fine to state if you will be busy. It is poor to explain your lack of presents after. 1. Either alignment can do it for legit reason (really was busy) 2. Mafia can use it to lurk. This then leads to poor manners in game IMO. so its best to state something a head of time, or just not complain after.

I would just like to point out that my read on jak (him being 3rd party) was correct. I'm not saying that gains me any brownie points, just that I like being proven right every now and again.

great, nice read. How ever, do you believe everything he has said? What do you make of him wanting to lynch you? How about the others that are voting you know? Are they all town for pushing for your claim?

I'm gonna Vote storrzerg. Him telling jak111 not to clear him? Seems extremely fishy to me. Hey jak111, feel free to garlic, or holy water, or dance the macarena on me. I have nothing to hide from you.

I guess my joke didn't translate well. I said nothing about him using any powers on me at night, i was speaking to him verbally calling people town, and then they died. Also i think your not in a spot to request "garlic" since he is trying to get you lynched today... So do you have anything else to add as to why i am scum? Or is it just the joke? Nothing how i pushed a misslynch? How i defended someone? how i pushed on others? Either way it doesn't matter cause that read that my joke comment was odd. Isn't even original. So as for this day, you have contributed 0.

Fastposted by storrzerg. Yes, I know he's defending me. That doesn't mean he looks innocent in my eyes. (Thanks though!)
Seems like you took quite a long time to make this post. Yet doesn't actually seem like you have said anything at all.

[StorrZerg]

Vote count.

PCM (1) Anark
Jmac (3) jak, kgb, mudpuppy
Kgb (1) Storr
Storr (1) Jmac

Not voting (4)

PCM
Spiessr
Virus
Whatsaus

[Whatsausage]

Well, I really think whatsausage is scum.. . Especially with his lack of posting... Do the vampires only get so many posts per day, perhaps?

Can you share why you think I am? You keep saying I am, but the only reasons appear to be my questioning you yesterday, my lack of posting, and my not voting yesterday. So addressing these in order... Last night's flip of hotshot does help that case for you being VT, but I am still not gonna go all the way to 100% sure for you being clean (let's call it 90%) for the reasons I said before (mostly the hedging/vagueness on an early claim). I do apologize for the relative lack of posts, I was unable to post until a ways into D2, and that did contribute to my not voting. It turns out jonty did flip vig, which is unfortunate... It seemed like storr and spiesr are the two who wanted him lynched the most, and luckily, I have some information about them I'll get to shortly...

Well jak, that is definitely an interesting claim. I am inclined to believe you, but of course I have my reservations.
1. Holy wow that is a powerful role; sometimes being able to kill 2 vamps in one night with one of those being a "safe" kill (only vamp). AND your main threat cannot kill you except by lynch. That seems terribly unbalanced if the vampires are killers instead of recruiters...
2. You make your claim a lot safer for you by saying that you will likely come up nontown if investigated, and by saying that these vampires cannot kill you if they try. (not saying these aren't accurate, but they can be flags) Am I to understand you only mentioned the latter to try to explain N1? Otherwise you are basically giving them the go ahead on

I am inclined to believe you jak, I don’t think scum would set up that much of a claim.

So we are back to trying to interpret night results. One kill of mafia N1, two kills one mafia N2, a dead pro-town killer, and a claimed killer speaking of another faction. So the game started with 3 killers or maybe 4 and one has been eliminated, possibly two if there were only two mafia. So we “know” we have a killer in jak, a dead vig, 2 dead mafia, and a vampire group that likely is either able to kill or recruit. With jak claiming both of the mafia kills.

So the possibilities are (assuming jonty didn’t shoot n1, very likey) (and not including doc possibility):
1. There are just the three killing roles, rish targeted someone, but was killed by jak before he could kill, then N2 IB was able to kill Hotshot before jak killed him. With the vampires attempting to recruit both nights
2. There are three killing roles, someone was blocked N1, but not N2. Again vampiers attempt to recruit both nights
3. There are four killing roles and somehow both anti-town factions failed to kill N1 and one failed N2.

Well I don’t really think there would be 4 killing roles in a game this size, even though it appears there are lots of ways for these kills to be stopped, so I am inclined to lean towards option 1 or 2. Option 1, would require different results from the same essential act on nights 1 and 2, I don’t know if the mod has priority on the actions or if he tosses coins or something, but I am inclined more towards option 2. And going along with option 2….. I am a town roleblocker. Night 1 I blocked spiesr, and night 2 I blocked storr. I wasn’t prepared to claim Day 2 from just one night’s results, but I feel like the changed results point pretty heavily towards spiesr being a killer and storr not. I got the feeling something was up with spiesr on Day 1, but it was just a feeling so I couldn’t really build a case. So I blocked him and then blocked someone else night 2 to see what changed. And judging from the change and his short posts that add little… I am going to go ahead and vote spiesr

FP'd like 3 times haha

[spiesr]

Night 1 I blocked spiesr.

I am not able to confirm nor deny being roleblocked at that time.

I am inclined to believe you jak, I don’t think scum would set up that much of a claim.

Interestingly I am questioning the claim in part due to how elaborate it is. It is a few orders of magnitude more complex than anything else I have seen in this game so far. All the roles I have seen in this game apart from Jak's claim have been common. simple roles; either vanilla or with a single ability from the normal pool. Jak's claim is a custom role with elaborate abilities, multiple elements, many different actions, and intimately connected with a major game mechanic that hasn't been hinted at anywhere else. It sticks out like a sore thumb.

[MudPuppy]

Interestingly I am questioning the claim in part due to how elaborate it is. It is a few orders of magnitude more complex than anything else I have seen in this game so far. All the roles I have seen in this game apart from Jak's claim have been common. simple roles; either vanilla or with a single ability from the normal pool. Jak's claim is a custom role with elaborate abilities, multiple elements, many different actions, and intimately connected with a major game mechanic that hasn't been hinted at anywhere else. It sticks out like a sore thumb.

I guess that would be a nice fake claim to make if he were a vamp. If the vamps killed both scum then jak has done well to invent this town-friendly third party vamp hunter. It would be convenient that there's no way for Town to confirm who he put garlic on, etc. and he's preemtively explained why he would turn up non-town if investigated. If a co-vamp gets hung tonight than that would just support his fabricated story. For now, I'm believing jak.. but it's definitely something to keep in mind as a possibility.

Jak, can you think of a way to provide some proof that you aren't just a vamp in vamp-hunter's clothing?

[jak111]

Simply, that I am alone, if I had only a basic role, I'd be outmatched by town, mafia AND vampires.

So my role seems to be more complex to help me survive instead of being able to lose just like that. Town can win with townies dying, I cannot win if I die. Hence the extra stuff to help keep me alive. I do not believe the mod expected me to kill two mafias two nights in a row and the vig being lynched making me pretty much an immune anti-town hunter (hunting anti-town, not anti-town, do not mix those up).

Besides, if I was going to go for a fake claim, I would of went for Bomb. Just to scare the shit out of anyone that lynched/shot at me XD Ever since my spree on Epic Mafia games, I've loved the bomb fake claim, it's like, to prove you wrong, people have to risk shooting you XD

But no, the only way I can prove that I am who I say I am, is either be lynched (resulting in me losing :/) or well.. that's the only way I can think of it, if I was 100% town and could win after dying, I'd do so, since I am not, I'd prefer to survive and just side with town.

Also, I find it funny that spiesr got roleblocked (which some of you can recall hopefully) that I said two kills may have been blocked by doc/roleblocker. If we assume it's one kill blocked, then spiesr is already confirmed scum unless we got a pro doc. I know IB, he'd not shoot Jonty N1, if his scum mates even suggested it, he'd be raging at them. Because that was an obvious place for a doc to be or even a watcher.

I'll let you guys push further up that tree, I am almost in favour of letting a 3rd mafia survive one night just to see if they can hit a vampire. I think my gut on Jmac's scummarining for the most part is a valid thing to pursue. He wants tot even know where he claimed PR. The second he went after Anark after Anark's claim proved he was not a VT, so unless he wants to claim scum out front, then the only option left for him would be a PR.

We need one more vote to pry a little information out from him and he's admitted to his lack of activity for the past two days, time we got something useful out of him, whether a claim someone can CC or something that can be proven wrong.

Oh, something else I'd like to point out, which makes sense if spiesr is anti-town. He went after the vig yesterday AND now going after me, both of us have killing powers and thus a threat to him if he's anti-town.

(Also now that I have even claimed immunity from the vampires actions, I am skeptical about people randomly going after me for the claim for any small reason they can find. So should any of you. Right now I am a threat to a 2+ person faction, if it's a cult there will be multiple people pushing for my head one way or another over time).