ASoIaF Mafia Prologue (10/13) - D3: The Bloody Winter Rose

[strike wolf]

From what I can tell yes I did lose that one save.

More comments later.

[kgb007]

Well, we at least know that the rebels have no type of doctor role...

How do we know this?

not speaking for neb but my guess is that if the rebels had a doc, nag would have been the obvious choice to protect since he hammered yesterday

[Nebuchadnezer]

Well, we at least know that the rebels have no type of doctor role...

How do we know this?

If there was a doc on the rebel side, he would have protected Nag. (I know, there are various other explanations...I'll take the simplest one for now.)

Seem's like neb's vote for me is an OMGUS vote.

Not OMGUS. Your poor play and constant inability to follow the information I had posted yesterday are the main reasons. Your preference to try and discredit a third party rather than hunt for someone opposite you makes me believe you have something to hide...a rather important role, perhaps? I'm just not sure if you were trying to save Iron, or just were upset with my posts in response to you. Note that Nagerous had no qualms about coming out and sticking it to the Loyalists...Hats off to Nag for his bold move. Had Iron been a little more bold and claimed before being at L-1, he may perhaps still be alive as well. This game isn't for scared mice to hide in the corners, hoping nobody notices you.

I'm with spiesr and jonty...it seems like you're just fishing for claims...

Yes. I am fishing for claims. Must we have this discussion again today? Or should we just vote to end the day and let the night play out?

From what I can tell yes I did lose that one save.

More comments later.

Sorry to hear that...sounds like some idiots are too scared by you and Minister. I, on the other hand, want you two on my side yet. I understand if you would like to wait for more info...if anyone is even going to share anything...

[jonty125]

I'm with spiesr and jonty...it seems like you're just fishing for claims...

Yes. I am fishing for claims. Must we have this discussion again today? Or should we just vote to end the day and let the night play out?

I would hardly say voting Foxglove turns into fishing for a claim. Reading through the Neb, Foxglove saga, it seems more of a disagreement, over what to do with third parties. Foxglove, accused Neb of making threats and then produced a very non-threatening line. So at this stage, I'm not going to take a side between Neb & Foxglove.

[spiesr]

Alright Nebuchadnezer, here is where I stand right now on this. I don't have a significant read on Foxglove's alignment at this point. Since you haven't revealed which faction you joined I have no idea if you are voting for Foxglove because you think he is a Loyalist, Rebel, or some unrelated reason. The things you have mentioned about his play don't seem to inherently give any substantial hints towards his alignment. His play hasn't gotten to the level that Iron Butterfly reached, where I would cast my vote without any feelings about what his alignment might be. If you think he might be my enemy please say so.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Alright Nebuchadnezer, here is where I stand right now on this. I don't have a significant read on Foxglove's alignment at this point. Since you haven't revealed which faction you joined I have no idea if you are voting for Foxglove because you think he is a Loyalist, Rebel, or some unrelated reason. The things you have mentioned about his play don't seem to inherently give any substantial hints towards his alignment. His play hasn't gotten to the level that Iron Butterfly reached, where I would cast my vote without any feelings about what his alignment might be. If you think he might be my enemy please say so.

I think that is for you to decide, if you think he is your enemy. I'm comfortable voting him based on his play/patterns. To say which side I think he is on, gives away my side, and also gives away the sides of anyone else that votes for him...which, at some point will happen anyway. We can't keep blindly hoping that we pick someone from the other side...sooner or later, we'll all know where we stand.

I will wait to here from the Lannisters. I think Strike has information on why he thinks he lost his save power. Also, if I can persuade them to join my side, I'm sure as hell going to try...they just have to let me know what they need from me.

[Foxglove]

For the record, I'm a she, not a he.

It grates on the nerves.

[Foxglove]

Also, I'm sorry that you are so firmly under the impression that I haven't been following what's going on, because I have. Apparently my tongue-in-cheek sentences weren't received the way I intended.

You are correct that you haven't made threatening statements (except just recently, by voting to lynch me! I find that quite threatening). But! And it's a big one! The character of Walder Frey in the books is so devious and treacherous that he cannot be trusted. I find it hard to believe that your role would be much different, which is why I find you threatening in general. I think anyone who counts on the support of Walder Frey would be wise to watch their backs (from a flavor and theme perspective).

[jonty125]

I think anyone who counts on the support of Walder Frey would be wise to watch their backs (from a flavor and theme perspective).

Are you proposing that he is an SK? or is it just me reading too much detail where this none

[Foxglove]

I think anyone who counts on the support of Walder Frey would be wise to watch their backs (from a flavor and theme perspective).

Are you proposing that he is an SK? or is it just me reading too much detail where this none

I'm definitely not. I'm just saying that no particular game trickery would surprise me.

[Flow520]

I think anyone who counts on the support of Walder Frey would be wise to watch their backs (from a flavor and theme perspective).

Are you proposing that he is an SK? or is it just me reading too much detail where this none

I'm definitely not. I'm just saying that no particular game trickery would surprise me.

Perhaps game trickery like, he can change his faction on day 4 or 5? (I'm guessing this because it seems to me Walder Frey is relatively spineless and knows he is not going to be the top dog, so only cares about joining whichever side will be victorious.) Maybe Nebuchadnezer could confirm if he has to stick with his D2 chosen faction the rest of the game.

[The Weird One]

I think anyone who counts on the support of Walder Frey would be wise to watch their backs (from a flavor and theme perspective).

Are you proposing that he is an SK? or is it just me reading too much detail where this none

I'm definitely not. I'm just saying that no particular game trickery would surprise me.

Perhaps game trickery like, he can change his faction on day 4 or 5? (I'm guessing this because it seems to me Walder Frey is relatively spineless and knows he is not going to be the top dog, so only cares about joining whichever side will be victorious.) Maybe Nebuchadnezer could confirm if he has to stick with his D2 chosen faction the rest of the game.

That is an interesting thought...That being said, though, why would he admit that...it would only lead to him being trusted even less...at least, now, if he comes out in support of a side, he can hope to get that side's backing...

[Minister Masket]

Tywin's ultimate goal is most likely to gain the throne and they will not stop until this is achieved. Saying that he might be better alive a little while to see if he provides information on the true villains of the piece, the Taegaryans. Jamie Lannister, the man who pushed a defenceless kid out of a high window might be a better place to start today.

>back from Day 1.
nag is smart but I'm not sure he's smart enough to pull off some reverse psychology here. This might rule him out of being a Taegaryan and possibly even puts him as being part of the Rebels - Robert / Starks

Oooh, someone get me a phone, because I farking called that. ^^

I'm a bit confused by the reaction here, did strike know that MM was aligned with him? I would think this faction would be a mason thing, not a one-way knowledge arrangement.

Gentlemen, I give you another faction leader...or an independent on his own...not sure if the latter exists in this game, though. [never played factions, before, that I can remember]

Worth bringing up again I think.

[The Weird One]

Tywin's ultimate goal is most likely to gain the throne and they will not stop until this is achieved. Saying that he might be better alive a little while to see if he provides information on the true villains of the piece, the Taegaryans. Jamie Lannister, the man who pushed a defenceless kid out of a high window might be a better place to start today.

>back from Day 1.
nag is smart but I'm not sure he's smart enough to pull off some reverse psychology here. This might rule him out of being a Taegaryan and possibly even puts him as being part of the Rebels - Robert / Starks

Oooh, someone get me a phone, because I farking called that. ^^

I'm a bit confused by the reaction here, did strike know that MM was aligned with him? I would think this faction would be a mason thing, not a one-way knowledge arrangement.

Gentlemen, I give you another faction leader...or an independent on his own...not sure if the latter exists in this game, though. [never played factions, before, that I can remember]

Worth bringing up again I think.

Didn't we cover this, already, yesterday?

[spiesr]

Vote Nebuchadnezer, I am getting pretty tired of you being evasive about your new alignment. It is my opinion that you lost the privilege of keeping it a secret back on Day 2. I am not entirely sure why you would even need to conceal it with the role you have claimed either, you can just hide from any kill attempts right?

Also, Mod can we get Fircoal replaced? I don't think he survived the winter.

[safariguy5]

I think anyone who counts on the support of Walder Frey would be wise to watch their backs (from a flavor and theme perspective).

Are you proposing that he is an SK? or is it just me reading too much detail where this none

I'm definitely not. I'm just saying that no particular game trickery would surprise me.

Perhaps game trickery like, he can change his faction on day 4 or 5? (I'm guessing this because it seems to me Walder Frey is relatively spineless and knows he is not going to be the top dog, so only cares about joining whichever side will be victorious.) Maybe Nebuchadnezer could confirm if he has to stick with his D2 chosen faction the rest of the game.

It's possible also that some of the roles have hidden conditions or whatnot that the player does not know about. He may not know the full complexities of his role.

[jonty125]

vote Neb I would like to see what faction you have aligned yourself to as well.

[Nebuchadnezer]

vote Neb I would like to see what faction you have aligned yourself to as well.

Very interesting how you two hypocrites will vote me to know MY alignment. However, voting anyone else is not an option, because you might "expose" someone on your team...or if you were voted to find out your alignment, you would scream and cry that it wasn't fair.

However, I have a feeling that you two already know what alignment I picked based on my vote. I'm voting Foxglove because she was riding me constantly D2. She knew I was 3rd party, but would rather not have pressured Iron to find out his alignment. Then when his alignment was made known, she made no move to hammer him. I therefore assume that she is a Loyalist scum backing the mad king, or perhaps the mad king himself. It's good to see spiesr and Jonty essentially show they colors by voting me, as I can now assume that they are Loyalists as well.

Why did I pick Rebels? You can thank Nag for that. He was the only one bold enough to drop the hammer on Iron, thus giving the Rebels a distinct advantage going into the night. I was hoping that someone would protect him, and thus Rebels come out ahead today. Unfortunately that didn't happen, and now we are at a deadlock again, because all of you mice would rather hide than show your colors.

As for the constant and incessant guessing about what my role does, I find it all ludicrous. It's a distraction from having to play the real game. It's a way for people to look like they are contributing, when all they are doing is masking their unwillingness to move the game along. I half expect it from Foxglove whose defense is based on "don't vote me, look at how bad Neb's character is." Meanwhile, without myself, Minister and Strike (and Nag) this games moves nowhere.

There. It's out. I have chosen Rebels, and cannot switch to anything else. Let the lines be drawn. I call the Lannisters to rally with the Rebels!

[Minister Masket]

As I am still unaware who exactly it was who tried to off me - might've been a rebel - I'll hold off for just a little longer.

[Fircoal]

Vote Nebuchadnezer, I am getting pretty tired of you being evasive about your new alignment. It is my opinion that you lost the privilege of keeping it a secret back on Day 2. I am not entirely sure why you would even need to conceal it with the role you have claimed either, you can just hide from any kill attempts right?

Also, Mod can we get Fircoal replaced? I don't think he survived the winter.

Fir is here and has ready everything in the thread. However I am currently not much with what to say.

I will say this. I am of the thought that while yesterday was prime to wipe out the 3rd parties, I do think today is a good day for scumhunting~

[Foxglove]

From what I can tell yes I did lose that one save.

More comments later.

I'm curious about Jaimie/strike's thoughts.

[Foxglove]

Vote Nebuchadnezer, I am getting pretty tired of you being evasive about your new alignment. It is my opinion that you lost the privilege of keeping it a secret back on Day 2. I am not entirely sure why you would even need to conceal it with the role you have claimed either, you can just hide from any kill attempts right?

Also, Mod can we get Fircoal replaced? I don't think he survived the winter.

Fir is here and has ready everything in the thread. However I am currently not much with what to say.

I will say this. I am of the thought that while yesterday was prime to wipe out the 3rd parties, I do think today is a good day for scumhunting~

I agree - we're down 1 each from the Rebels (nag) and the Loyalists (IB), so the third parties are becoming more important than ever.

[Foxglove]

As I am still unaware who exactly it was who tried to off me - might've been a rebel - I'll hold off for just a little longer.

Will the knowledge either way cement your decision about what faction to join?

[strike wolf]

So Neb reveals his reasons for voting Foxglove (no quotes) and Foxglove makes some statements but doesn't directly confront Neb's statements. As far as where do the Lannisters stand...Honestly, from what I have seen and I hate to admit it but I am thinking that our time to choose sides is close at hand father.

[Minister Masket]

As I am still unaware who exactly it was who tried to off me - might've been a rebel - I'll hold off for just a little longer.

Will the knowledge either way cement your decision about what faction to join?

You would assume as much. However, if someone wants to be brave and take responsibility for it, that might change things.

So Neb reveals his reasons for voting Foxglove (no quotes) and Foxglove makes some statements but doesn't directly confront Neb's statements. As far as where do the Lannisters stand...Honestly, from what I have seen and I hate to admit it but I am thinking that our time to choose sides is close at hand father.

Close it may be, but it isn't now. Both rebels and loyalists have some very important decisions to make soon, and I suggest to everyone that you not risk angering the lion any further.

A Lannister always pays his debts.