The Village of Secrets [GAME OVER] Werewolves Win!

[spiesr]

well was hoping to provoke a response from anyone.

What exactly were you hoping someone would do? The most obvious thing I can think of is suggesting that whatsausauge might not be telling the truth in his claim. But what would you do with that? It seems like an entirely reasonable response so what benefit would have come from you lying to get it?

[superkeener]

Official Vote Count 3.3

Anarkistsdream (0):
jak111 (0):
L-1 Jmac1026 (5): jak111, kgb007, MudPuppy, virus90, Anarkistsdream
kgb007 (0):
pancakemix (0):
MudPuppy (0):
spiesr (2): Whatsausage, StorrZerg
virus90 (0):
Whatsausage (0):
StorrZerg (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting (3): spiesr, pancakemix, Jmac1026

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Deadline for DAY 3 is: Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 10:00am CC Time.

[jak111]

Well before someone places the hammer on Jmac, quick tally vote, quote this question with a yay or nay response.

Should I kill spiesr tonight due to Sausage's block claim?

If the majority of voters say nay, I'll look into someone else tonight. I vote yay btw. It's almost concrete evidence Sausage has brought to the table if it's true.

[virus90]

nay.

[StorrZerg]

should be more than just a yes or no.

If you are willing to use your night kill as a second lynch, then we should treat it as such

[StorrZerg]

SO here is what i'm thinking... Only mafia know if the reduced kp was because of role block (spiesr being scum) or if it was some other form of protection. they wouldn't know exactly what it was if spiesr is town. But we would be certain spiesr was not a factor in saving a townie n1.

Directed at those who are pushing jmac, so he claimed if you have not voiced your opinon after the claim you should do so. To those who have, why exactly is the claim bad? Is it because you expected a role claim? Personally i'm not seeing what is "scummy" about his claim. I'm more interested in the scummy things he has done and for people to voice their opinions on that matter...

[StorrZerg]

well was hoping to provoke a response from anyone.

What exactly were you hoping someone would do? The most obvious thing I can think of is suggesting that whatsausauge might not be telling the truth in his claim. But what would you do with that? It seems like an entirely reasonable response so what benefit would have come from you lying to get it?

was hoping for reaction. Something which then i could judge if it seemed like a reasonable thing, or if it was scummy and opportunistic reaction. There is also the deal with large wagon onto jmac, and i wanted more discussion on something else. I thought it would provoke more comments, but it just seemed to be glossed over and the push continued with jmac so thats that.

[MudPuppy]

Should I kill spiesr tonight due to Sausage's block claim?

If the majority of voters say nay, I'll look into someone else tonight. I vote yay btw. It's almost concrete evidence Sausage has brought to the table if it's true.

I vote "nay." If true, whatsausage's claim definitely places suspicion on spiesr... but not enough that I'd like to see him killed for the possibility that the roleblock prevented a killing. I'm just not sure we can connect the roleblock and lack of a second N1 kill that clearly.

[StorrZerg]

So you non voters, spiesr, pancakemix, Jmac1026.

What are you going to do...

[MudPuppy]

Unvote Jmac: he's still the person I want to vote for atm... but I'm a little nervous with it being L-1. I don't want the day to end prematurely.

[Jmac1026]

I'm curious as to why Jonty was lynched almost solely because he was a vig (and a few not very good reasons) and "could" potentially night kill someone, and yet Jak's done it twice (luckily on good targets) and has gotten no negative repercussions. He's talking about vig-ing someone who certainly is not the majority's favorite target (apparently that is me), and yet no one calls him out on it.

Vote jak.

And why bother unvoting me mudpuppy? I'm genuinely curious. There probably isn't more than one red anti-town faction left. Unless they're very inexperienced, that person isn't going to put the hammering vote onto me, because when I flip town, that person will look very suspicious.

[MudPuppy]

And why bother unvoting me mudpuppy? I'm genuinely curious. There probably isn't more than one red anti-town faction left. Unless they're very inexperienced, that person isn't going to put the hammering vote onto me, because when I flip town, that person will look very suspicious.

That's true... call it an abundance of caution. I can imagine a vamp (don't know how many are out there) would want you lynched if you aren't already part of their group. While the odds of a quick lynch are likely very low, there is zero downside to a temporary unvote.

[pancakemix]

vote jmac....

That was a WEEEEEAK claim.

But yours wasn't?

Final thought for the day: Don't see much on Jmac at all. The case is that he doesn't play up to an experienced standard. That, to me, does not a case make. The only reason I'd be voting him would be because he made a VT claim, and at this point that's not enough.

I still have enough distrust for jak that I'm not willing to side with him. The way he's treating the whole spiesr thing kind of takes himself for granted, and that doesn't sit well with me. Killing two mafia is a good start, but if you're going pro-town, you need to act it as well. To me, he's not acting that way yet.

[Anarkistsdream]

vote jmac....

That was a WEEEEEAK claim.

But yours wasn't?

Final thought for the day: Don't see much on Jmac at all. The case is that he doesn't play up to an experienced standard. That, to me, does not a case make. The only reason I'd be voting him would be because he made a VT claim, and at this point that's not enough.

I still have enough distrust for jak that I'm not willing to side with him. The way he's treating the whole spiesr thing kind of takes himself for granted, and that doesn't sit well with me. Killing two mafia is a good start, but if you're going pro-town, you need to act it as well. To me, he's not acting that way yet.

Not when it was the first of it's kind... Second, why would jmac be all over my ass about it when that is now supposedly his role too? I voted you first of this day, PCM, and I still think you are a vamp or mafia...

[kgb007]

Vote Roger Dodger.

I really don't like the way he's been playing. Bandwagoning, poor (no) reasonings for the things he has said or done, and his participation has done nothing to further the conversation or cases in constructive ways.

That being said, I'd support a Anark lynch if the case was made for one. Claiming with only two votes? Come on man! You're acting like amateur hour at the Apollo.

Gut tells me Jmac's claim is BS but other than the post above, I don't have evidence to support my thinking. MP has already unvoted to disfuse the situation so we don't end the day prematurely.

[StorrZerg]

its not hard to 1. make up something (yes scummy)
2. point out what is weird, and explain why its weird.
3. an action he did, statement he said, etc ,etc ,etc

[jak111]

I am giving the town a choice, they should be lucky they're getting one. I've been right so far with my gut shots. I'm one of the most pro-town people in the game.

All the people trying to cast doubt on me, ask yourselves this, what have you claimed/done so far to help out town? No one else suspected rishaed, no one else suspected Iron Butterfly, I got a claim out of Jmac who claims a VT but with his reactions D1 is pretty much confirmed to NOT be a VT. Heck I got Anark to claim D1 which helped find VT's and non-VT's that is specifically helping us RIGHT NOW.

So before you question my pro-town, ask yourself, what have you done so far this game to help find scum?

[MudPuppy]

no one else suspected Iron Butterfly,

While Roger Dodger has made some posts that could be interpreted scummish, she also has some unpolished remarks that makes her an easy target to be MADE to appear scummish. The first person to point her out was IB who has been flying a bit under the radar this game. He's made a fair number of posts but not a whole lot of substance. I find his semi-scummarining and opportunistic case against Roger Dodger to be suspicious.

Unvote Vote Iron Butterfly

[jak111]

Shush MP. I already marked you off as townie.

I am directing it more at people questioning me constantly instead of looking into what we currently have on these two just a tad bit.

[MudPuppy]

Well, I really think whatsausage is scum.. . Especially with his lack of posting... Do the vampires only get so many posts per day, perhaps?

Can you share why you think I am?

I can... I am the Town Seer (e.g., Cop). I investigated Whatsausage last night and the result was anti-town.

I am a town roleblocker. Night 1 I blocked spiesr, and night 2 I blocked storr. I wasn’t prepared to claim Day 2 from just one night’s results, but I feel like the changed results point pretty heavily towards spiesr being a killer and storr not. I got the feeling something was up with spiesr on Day 1, but it was just a feeling so I couldn’t really build a case. So I blocked him and then blocked someone else night 2 to see what changed. And judging from the change and his short posts that add little… I am going to go ahead and vote spiesr

He may still be a roleblocker... just for the wrong side. His attempt to set up spiesr goes a long way toward making spiesr look townish... I had a town read on him already.

N1 I investigated pancakemix and got a town result. Now it's possible he's a godfather and/or has since been converted to vampirism (though I would guess that unlikely if Jak sprinkled him with garlic N2).

So, I believe a Sausage lynch is in order... followed perhaps by a jmac night kill by jak... assuming he's still the other prime suspect by day's end.

Vote Whatsausage

[jak111]

Well, I really think whatsausage is scum.. . Especially with his lack of posting... Do the vampires only get so many posts per day, perhaps?

Can you share why you think I am?

I can... I am the Town Seer (e.g., Cop). I investigated Whatsausage last night and the result was anti-town.

I am a town roleblocker. Night 1 I blocked spiesr, and night 2 I blocked storr. I wasn’t prepared to claim Day 2 from just one night’s results, but I feel like the changed results point pretty heavily towards spiesr being a killer and storr not. I got the feeling something was up with spiesr on Day 1, but it was just a feeling so I couldn’t really build a case. So I blocked him and then blocked someone else night 2 to see what changed. And judging from the change and his short posts that add little… I am going to go ahead and vote spiesr

He may still be a roleblocker... just for the wrong side. His attempt to set up spiesr goes a long way toward making spiesr look townish... I had a town read on him already.

N1 I investigated pancakemix and got a town result. Now it's possible he's a godfather and/or has since been converted to vampirism (though I would guess that unlikely if Jak sprinkled him with garlic N2).

So, I believe a Sausage lynch is in order... followed perhaps by a jmac night kill by jak... assuming he's still the other prime suspect by day's end.

Vote Whatsausage

Wow, I actually had you pegged as my Doc read XD Like legitly was thinking you were the town doc. I am curious about what it'd say about me XD but I'm not town sided faction wise, just ABLE to side with town with a mutual win condition.

Though.. I am questioning this.. why are you only bringing this up now MP? I mean you even helped pressure Jmac and everything.

Although now this is putting a lot of doubt in the entire set-up >.<

Let's see what we have with the remaining players..

Anarkistsdream ~ VT
pancakemix ~ Cleared by me AND MP?
Whatsausage ~ Either roleblocker or scum
virus90
Jmac1026 ~ Suspicious VT claim (Which almost no one believes)
spiesr ~ Potential scum IF Sausage is Roleblocker
jak111 ~ Vampire Hunter (not the real colour, just different to tell from list)
StorrZerg
MudPuppy ~ Cop/scum (depending on what Sausage really is)
kgb007

We have 4 claims on the table, with all the stuff going around.. I think Anark is 100% SAFE Town.

But now we have a pretty odd thing going on, MP bringing this up late in the game after saying he'd be willing to vote Jmac again just hours ago.

• If Sausage is telling the truth both MP and potentially spiesr are scum.
• If MP is telling the truth Sausage is scum.

Meanwhile we're also pretty sure Jmac is fake claiming his VT role.

We have a for sure 1-2 scum in one group and another one we suspect is lying about being a VT, could this be it? Did we find all the scum and vampires?

Let's say we kill sausage and then he turns up to be who he says. Then we have to get rid of both MP AND Spiesr.
But if we kill MP and he is who he says, we'd only have to kill Sausage.
Thoughts?

This info would of been more trustworthy if it was given earlier in the day, I am not buying this whole

Unvote Jmac: he's still the person I want to vote for atm... but I'm a little nervous with it being L-1. I don't want the day to end prematurely.

How did you go from that to finding Sausage as scum all in the same real life day? MP I THOUGHT YOU WERE TOWN BEFORE THIS CLAIM, now it's just way too fishy.

[pancakemix]

I have to admit, I thought MP's unvote was a vote, hence my "final thought".

I have to admit it's strange that MP didn't bring up his results when Sausage was a direct topic of discussion. That said, I think our only recourse is to put the claim to the test. Vote Whatsausage

@jak: If I still distrust you, it's only because you're giving me reason to. As of right now I have to take it on faith that you're working a pro-town angle, but you're still holding back a lot. You won't even reveal what color your role is. That suggests that you have something to hide which, for someone who stuck his neck out as far as you did, isn't a quality I like to have in my town-acting third party killers.

[MudPuppy]

You nervous about something jak? How'd you go from:

But at this point, any more guilty reports from a cop would be highly recommended to out them now. I can easily kill them in the night if town is not willing to lynch them. Though if no guilties I'll just have to go with my gut again. (Told you IB was a hard bugger to read when he's against you btw)....
....Until a PR brings up some info for us, I'm going with my gut here. My gut has been right(ish) in the night. Not as much in the day, but I don't have a big list left of whom I think is scummy at the current moment.

and

I know MP is not a vampire and we will all know by tomorrow if pcm is one. I put garlic on both of you, it takes a day for its effect to work. MP is still around so he is no vampire.

and

Shush MP. I already marked you off as townie.

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I am not buying this whole

Unvote Jmac: he's still the person I want to vote for atm... but I'm a little nervous with it being L-1. I don't want the day to end prematurely.

How did you go from that to finding Sausage as scum all in the same real life day? MP I THOUGHT YOU WERE TOWN BEFORE THIS CLAIM, now it's just way too fishy.

That big swing in your read on me because I delayed my revelation?!?!? If you truly were a pro-town vampire hunter, I would've expected you to say... "That's awesome, MP... Let's go kill some vamps." But instead, we get:

Let's say we kill sausage and then he turns up to be who he says. Then we have to get rid of both MP AND Spiesr.
But if we kill MP and he is who he says, we'd only have to kill Sausage.

I'm still new to Mafia but surely it is not uncommon for cops to hold their cards close to their chest in hopes of getting some more info on the table first. Would it have been better for me to disclose my investigation BEFORE Whatsausage made his claim? Of course not. With the info I had, I ultimately planned to vote Sausage today... my "he's still the person I want to vote for atm" comment is true... I'm not going to vote for sausage before I was ready to release the results of my investigation. So, "AT THAT MOMENT" jmac, my second highest scum read at the time, was who I wanted my vote on. And the reason for the "I don't want the day to end prematurely" quote should be pretty obvious at this point since it's clear I had something to say and didn't want to risk losing that opportunity. I was just waiting for the right time to make my claim and midday of D3, with 4 real life days left to discuss my claim seemed right.

Oh, and let me correct your logic about who to lynch today:

Let's say we kill sausage and then he turns up to be who he says. Then we have to get rid of are able to out both MP AND Spiesr as scum.
But if we kill MP and he is who he says, we'd only have to kill out Sausage as scum.

I certainly hope the town believes me and lynches Sausage... but the info is now out there and you will learn the truth of it either way you go.

Your response to my claim makes you look scummy... and, by association, makes your reads questionable. Now that all the cards are out on the table I'd love you to better explain your 90% jmac read:

Surprised no one else has commented on my vote on Jmac (and Jmac yet to make an appearance to complain that I am voting him). Does that mean no one cares about that vote or no one cares about him? Right now if no one has any info I am thinking a Jmac push would be in order. I believe 90% he is scum at the current moment.

At the time, you made the comment, it sure sounded like you had some real dirt on him... and I believed you and went with it since it was a direct extension of my IB scum read. But your subsequent revelations have done little to support your scum read of jmac.

Oh, and I might add I find it more than a bit ironic that you give me grief for waiting 'til half way through D3 to make my claim when you dragged out your revelations over a couple of days.

FOS on jak

[kgb007]

unvote vote sausage Let's test MP and Sausage's claim. If MP is correct, we lynched scum and perhaps clear spiesr for the time being - he could get turned by vamps during the night (if he hasn't already). If the lynch goes wrong, Jak can eliminate MP tonight.

[Jmac1026]

Unvote. Vote Whatsausage.
Thank you mudpuppy. I'm glad someone sees that the entire case on me is based on Jak's imaginary reads.

I've had eyes on whatsausage for parts of the game, but I had assumed that with his claim he was pretty much proven town.