Rolegift Mafia 2 Endgame: Give 'til it Hurts

[Yomiel]

I swear, I can't stand this. No one listens. I have helped the Town a lot, provided plenty of information, but you all could care less. And when you see I'm Town, you're not going to lynch either of them, just say I'm a "bad player". Even when Campin turns up Mafia later, you still won't give me credit.-.- This is just too much. I had hoped you all could get over your personal feelings at least for the game, but apparently you can't.

Unvote: Crazy
Vote: Rodion

Something is up with you. You're the one who arranged this whole plan for lynching me in the first place, rushing things along with the host extended the deadline, even when there was no point. And you've been pushing for my lynch since Day 1. And now you're suddenly eager to hurry things along, before whoever has the nexus gift this turn or got it last turn has a chance to come forward.

[jak111]

It's settled. Yomiel is today's lynch.

I'll be voting once I get Tails to explain Jonty's rod.

Please, do not hammer before then.

that is fantastic when taken out of context

Oh gawd.. I'm glad I'm not the only one to notice that XDD

[everywhere116]

[Yomiel]

Sickening. I have no respect for poor players, especially ones who get such a kick out of bullying another player.-.- It's bad enough you're buying into Campin's lies, but now bashing? Would have thought at least you were better than that, but apparently you're not. I bet if I replaced out, suddenly his result would change, and no one would be voting my replacement.-.-

[jak111]

Sickening. I have no respect for poor players, especially ones who get such a kick out of bullying another player.-.- It's bad enough you're buying into Campin's lies, but now bashing? Would have thought at least you were better than that, but apparently you're not. I bet if I replaced out, suddenly his result would change, and no one would be voting my replacement.-.-

Probably not, but you're scummy for avoiding questions and people asking you of stuff.

[Yomiel]

I didn't avoid anything! I answered everything asked of me! All I did was refuse to hand over my notes, and there is nothing wrong with that. My notes are private, and that goes for every game I am in.

[Yomiel]

And by admitting you are only voting for me because I'm me, you are showing that you could care less about this game. You're just using it for personal reasons.

[thechuck51]

And by admitting you are only voting for me because I'm me, you are showing that you could care less about this game. You're just using it for personal reasons.

For the record I am not voting you because its you. I am voting you for the following reasons:
1 - Its a way to test LSU's cop gift and clear/condemn multiple players. And I have no doubts that the cop gift campin got is not the same as what you got.
3 - you lied about what gift you received night 1
2 - Your whole nexus stuff reeks of BS and seems like a desperate attempt to avoid being lynched

[Yomiel]

1. As I have pointed out many times, it is not. Even if you don't believe me, killing me proves nothing. You can't prove LSU gave his gift out at all, that Campin has it, or that it is 100% accurate or inaccurate. LSU is dead. He's not even going to be giving out his gift anymore. If I were to turn up Mafia, it would not automatically mean the gift is always right. If I were to turn up Town, it would not mean the gift is always wrong. You guys said the same kind of stuff when I revealed the results of my investigation on LSU. In this case, with LSU dead, it's just pointless. And the only person who was allegedly investigated is Jak, who even if he is proven innocent, would probably just be killed by the Mafia that same Night anyway, which ironically, I would be able to prevent-one of the few players who could.>_> And even though there are other such gifts, do the gifters know they have them? Could they use them to protect someone the Town wants to keep safe? I'm thinking no.

2. I did not really lie. I did receive the 8-Ball. I just didn't mention the nexus. I was waiting to get clarification on some stuff before I said anything, and then pancake said what he did, so I couldn't. And as you say in your third point, even if he hadn't said a thing, no one would have believed me, because it sounds weird.

3. If I were going to lie or make up a gift, I could do better than that. The nexus gift is for real. It's a make-your-own cyclone kit. You just have to add water.

[thechuck51]

unvote while I give this some more thought

[Rodion]

It really pisses me off that you'd get an item and not claim it (which is lying somewhat), especially when I was so concerned about cataloguing all of them before we could make decisions. Even after cooling my head, however, at the moment I fail to see how this cyclone story adds up or effectively helps your cause.

1 - Are you saying that the cyclone is the 19th and final item? Or did you say it necessarily came with an 8-ball, meaning those 2 items are actually 1 and the 19th and final item is still undisclosed?

2 - Assume you could prove that such a cyclone exists. Since Campin did not claim a cyclone, wouldn't that only mean he got LSU's ball, the supposedly sane one, meaning you're mafia?

[Yomiel]

I've said why I could not admit to having it, and even looking back, I believe I did the right thing. Pancake's claim aside, it is an item many would find hard to believe, and if no one else recorded getting it, it would make people think I'm lying.

1. I can't say if the two would be counted separately or together. Either is possible, so that must be considered. There might be another secret item.

2. I said already, but I'm pretty sure there is only one 8-Ball, and it has random results. That makes sense. I say that Campin is lying.

[Yomiel]

I can't say whether it's because he's Mafia or just really wants me dead, though.

[Rodion]

2. I said already, but I'm pretty sure there is only one 8-Ball, and it has random results. That makes sense. I say that Campin is lying.

If there is only 1 ball and you got it the other time, that would make PCM a liar as well, wouldn't it?

[Yomiel]

I have said that several times. That was one of the reasons I kept quiet, because I knew no one would believe such a crazy gift. And while you may criticise this, I've been proven right. Look at my investigation. It took ages for you to believe it. And you already doubt my item story. Had I come forward, I would have been killed Day 1!

[jak111]

2. I said already, but I'm pretty sure there is only one 8-Ball, and it has random results. That makes sense. I say that Campin is lying.

If there is only 1 ball and you got it the other time, that would make PCM a liar as well, wouldn't it?

The thing I don't like is that PCM claimed 8-ball first... so really Yomiel would more likely be liar.

[Rodion]

If you claim to have KNOWLEDGE that PCM is a liar, then why didn't you ever vote him (in the past or, right now, in the present)?

I still don't believe you at all.

[Yomiel]

If I voted him, people would want a reason. I decided waiting was smarter.

It could be that Pancake got a cop gift and used it on me.

[Rodion]

Yomiel, mafia commuter gifter, lynched day three

- Chuck is the insane/paranoid cop* and gifted to pmchugh (95%), Jonty (5%)
- LSU's ball gave innocent on Jak and guilty on Yomiel - it means that the ball is neither paranoid nor naive, so it has to be sane or insane
- Yomiel is mafia, Jak is town - 99.9%
- Yomiel is town, Jak is mafia - 0.01% (and getting caught in huge contradictions like you did with the cyclone-ball thing when you are actually town is blacklist worthy, so I hope for your future on this website that you do flip mafia)

*Chuck said he was sure about the origin of the ball (you can only be sure Campin's ball is not Yomiel's if you are the gifter). The yay/nay thing was a valid attempt at concealing Chuck's role, but he said he was sure again, so I rule that mafia could easily conclude Chuck was the cop, therefore it's better to have that laid out publicly.

Wait for Tails/Milkshake and plan your gifts, guys. Sunday/monday we lynch Yomiel.

[spiesr]

What's wrong with Hensow?

I was going to protect Campin, but since we're such good friends, I thought people might figure it out.: P

I didn't really have much of a reason. I tried to pick someone I didn't know or have any problems with, since I had little to go on. He seems okay.O_o

Sure, but unless he is revealed to have an important gift protecting him is a waste. He is so inactive that he would be pretty low on the mafia's hit list. And if they WIFOM and go for a low priority target they have plenty of choices.

You're not getting it. I lied about only getting one gift, but I had a good reason. I was clarifying certain aspects of it with the host. In the meantime, Pancake claimed to have gotten the 8-ball. But I know he didn't. Unfortunately, I knew no one would believe me over him. Even if you lynched me and saw I was Town, you still wouldn't kill him. The giftnexus is a cyclone that blows away all your gifts and replaces them with a Magic 8-Ball.

The nexus you describe sounds nothing like the role of Nexus that I am familiar with.

And even though there are other such gifts, do the gifters know they have them? Could they use them to protect someone the Town wants to keep safe? I'm thinking no.

You are confident that between a bullet-proof gifter, hider gifter and a doc that we couldn't save on player? Maybe if everyone tries to save Hensow...

I did not really lie. I did receive the 8-Ball. I just didn't mention the nexus. I was waiting to get clarification on some stuff before I said anything, and then pancake said what he did, so I couldn't. And as you say in your third point, even if he hadn't said a thing, no one would have believed me, because it sounds weird.

We demanded that ALL GIFTS RECEIVED MUST BE CLAIMED. Not claiming a gift you got is equivalent to lying. Since you didn't claim it before we should lynch you out of policy.

I've said why I could not admit to having it, and even looking back, I believe I did the right thing.

I strongly disagree.

I have said that several times. That was one of the reasons I kept quiet, because I knew no one would believe such a crazy gift. And while you may criticise this, I've been proven right. Look at my investigation. It took ages for you to believe it. And you already doubt my item story. Had I come forward, I would have been killed Day 1!

Even you being lynched Day 1 would be have been way better that what you claim to have done. That way, we would had have seen you were telling the truth and lynch Pancake (who would be scum if your story is true) on Day 2. Your potential sacrifice would have helped the town more that you being alive. Trading 1 townie for 1 scum is a fair trade so town, especially so early in the game.

Yomiel, mafia commuter gifter, lynched day three

- Chuck is the insane/paranoid cop* and gifted to pmchugh (95%), Jonty (5%)
- LSU's ball gave innocent on Jak and guilty on Yomiel - it means that the ball is neither paranoid nor naive, so it has to be sane or insane
- Yomiel is mafia, Jak is town - 99.9%
- Yomiel is town, Jak is mafia - 0.01% (and getting caught in huge contradictions like you did with the cyclone-ball thing when you are actually town is blacklist worthy, so I hope for your future on this website that you do flip mafia)

*Chuck said he was sure about the origin of the ball (you can only be sure Campin's ball is not Yomiel's if you are the gifter). The yay/nay thing was a valid attempt at concealing Chuck's role, but he said he was sure again, so I rule that mafia could easily conclude Chuck was the cop, therefore it's better to have that laid out publicly.

Wait for Tails/Milkshake and plan your gifts, guys. Sunday/monday we lynch Yomiel.

And Rodion is right about everything, as usual. (As the only person who has any idea what he is doing inn this game if he is scum we might as well just surrender now.)

[Yomiel]

I'm still alive over here.

[thechuck51]

Yes I am the insane/paranoid cop gifter. I sent to Yomiel day 1 and jonty day 2 so the gift campin got has to be from LSU.

[spiesr]

I'm still alive over here.

Yes, and you will stay so until he either collect our information of the deadline gets close.

Rodio, could you give me the list of everyone who claimed not to get a gift each day? My chart is missing that right now. Thanks

[Yomiel]

Rodion gets more and more suspicious. He's speaking for everyone and forcing this forward too strongly. Why is no one else picking up on this? Spiesr is too.

You guys just aren't going to realize your mistake until it's too late.-.-

[Yomiel]

Forget this. I'm replacing out. This if freakin' ridiculous, and I'm not putting up with it. Rule breaking now? That's the lowest thing ever Rodion. I wanted to play an honest game, but apparently that's not going to happen.