The Village of Secrets [GAME OVER] Werewolves Win!

[superkeener]

Official Vote Count 3.6
FINAL DAY 3 VOTE COUNT

Anarkistsdream (0):
jak111 (0):
Jmac1026 (1): virus90
kgb007 (0):
pancakemix (0):
MudPuppy (1): Whatsausage
spiesr (0):
virus90 (0):
LYNCHED Whatsausage (6): MudPuppy, pancakemix, StorrZerg, Anarkistsdream, spiesr, jak111
StorrZerg (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting (2): Jmac1026, kgb007


Whatsausage, a Mafia Goon has been lynched.



Deadline for NIGHT 3 is: Wednesday, April 30, 2014, 10:00am CC Time.

[Anarkistsdream]

TOOOOOOLD YOOOOOOU

[Whatsausage]

ooOOoooOOo...
Well I'll try not say too much from beyond the grave, but I thought I made a decent case in my one post I was able to make before everyone decided to believe a late claim... You'll all see tomorrow or if you're lucky the next day when the vampires have won. You remaining town better hope they choose you to recruit tonight

[superkeener]

The night began after the lynch brought about the 3rd mafia lynch. Before this entire thing happened the Villagers would have been thrilled to see mafia blood being poured. Now it seems the villagers are starting to wonder if maybe things were not so bad as long as the mafia had control of things. No one is safe now, not even a mason…

virus90 a Town Mason has been killed.

Day 4 begins now…


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Official Vote Count 4.0

Anarkistsdream (0):
jak111 (0):
Jmac1026 (0):
kgb007 (0):
pancakemix (0):
MudPuppy (0):
spiesr (0):
StorrZerg (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting: Jmac1026, MudPuppy, spiesr, StorrZerg, kgb007, pancakemix, jak111, Anarkistsdream

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Deadline for DAY 4 is: Wednesday, May 7th, 2014, 10:00am CC Time.

[jak111]

Hmmm, 3 nights in a row it seems my kills are the only thing getting through.

1.) Mafia had 2 nights to shoot, LOL FAIL!

2.) I think it's a safe bet vampires being cult.

I told virus if Sausage flipped mafia my kill would be in that list of 4.

So now with the new day we need a few things.

[list=]
[*]Cop investigation
[*]Mason claim (I think I know who, but I want it confirmed)[/list]

Final 8 (with their "claims")

• Anark ~ VT
• Jmac ~ VT
• MP ~ Cop
• Storr ~ ?
• spiesr ~ ?
• kgb ~ Matchmaker
• pcm ~ ?
• Jak111 ~ Vampire Hunter

Of the three unclaimed, one of them WILL be a mason. So the other two are up for trustworthy claims.

Thoughts?

[jak111]

^ You don't know how bad I want to edit that just to take the = sign out of the list to make the coding work...

[MudPuppy]

Thoughts?

You'll all see tomorrow or if you're lucky the next day when the vampires have won. You remaining town better hope they choose you to recruit tonight

If there is a recruiting vampire group out there, we're dead.

Why did you choose virus to shoot at out of those four, Jak?

[jak111]

If there is a recruiting vampire group out there, we're dead.

Why did you choose virus to shoot at out of those four, Jak?

You still need to out your results, right now they're to be out on the table EVERY SINGLE DAY at the START of the day. No waiting till we're half through it, I was ready to put an arrow through your head MP. Right now, you do not have the garlic, it is worn off by yesterday and the vampires know it. So if the vampires are a cult, chances of them trying to recruit you are high, because you can effectively "clear" them and cast "guilty" on the town.

I shot Virus due mostly to my lack of choices. But the deciding factors mostly were 1.) No claim. 2.) No reason not to. 3.) His lack of activity towards the end.

kgb and Jmac have claimed and Storr is active. Now with virus dead we have a auto-clear/chance for a counterclaim to find one more false guy left.

There's only three people left to claim. pcm can only be trusted for today (tonight no garlic protection).

@kgb, can you clarify your powers a bit more? Is it a one time use? (If so, the mod effectively made you a VT after forcing it N1).

Another odd thing to note... Scum had no PR's. Not a single PR. In a multi-anti-town game and with so many town PR's not one a single power seems odd and underpowered.

Since I am still alive, I am going to assume Sausage was the last one, but scum is definitely underpowered in this game.

I believe Sausage knew something about Vampires. Perhaps it mentioned them in his WC. I wish I had more cards to know more about them.

With this post, I am getting off for a while.

• MP, what did you find?
• kgb, answer my question.
• Anyone else have info?

[spiesr]

I shot Virus due mostly to my lack of choices. But the deciding factors mostly were 1.) No claim. 2.) No reason not to. 3.) His lack of activity towards the end.

"No reason not to?" The way I see it he had no reason to claim. I am the Mason.

Also Jak, what was your secondary action last Night?

[StorrZerg]

what does that even mean.

Have you guys been linked since the start?
Well virus is dead so we can't ask you both the same questions..

how does your mason power work

[spiesr]

what does that even mean.

Have you guys been linked since the start?
Well virus is dead so we can't ask you both the same questions..

how does your mason power work

We both know that the other is a Town Mason and can talk at Night. It is a pretty standard (if not necessarily common) role around here. In this case we both started as Masons and there is no recruiter.

[Jmac1026]

What are some of the things you discussed?

We really need Mudpuppy's results here.

[StorrZerg]

yeah so thats where there is a slight problem.


We don't have his side to corroborate the story now. you claim no recruiter, yet how are we to know?

i suppose because virus flipped blue it should suggest that he was town. I suppose you could be similar.
I've scene people mason'd together not knowing the alignment of one another. hmm

[StorrZerg]

Doesn't matter, we can let mp keep his claim for the moment.
Could just start pushing on people and see what happens.


So with "mafia" 3 have died, with all being normal goons.


Cult faction could still be out there, With 3 nights, could have 4 members.
Since game isn't over, my thoughts are IF there is a cult faction, they stacked with a mafia hit. Or tried to recruit the jak kill.

[pancakemix]

So here's the problem: Unless we find the recruiter today, we are completely boned. Actually, that's not true. We should already have lost. Think about it for a second. Assume the game starts with one vampire:

N1: 14 alive, V+1
N2: 12 alive, 2V+1
N3: 9 alive, 3V+1

So on Day 4, the count would be 4V:3T:1VH. We'd have lost. This also assumes that they never hit a mafia or jak (since anti-town factions typically kill cults on attempt) and that they didn't get blocked (since no one countered Sausage's fake claim, I think we can assume we don't have one). Couple that with the fact that it couldn't have been me any of those nights or Mudpuppy the first two (according to jak). Doesn't that seem weird to you? Doesn't it seem weird that this guy who's been sketchy all game wants us to follow him is the only one with any inkling about vampires?

On top of that, why does jak insist on continually clearing Nark? Like, not attempting to put a damper on Nark's claim. On the contrary, if we're dealing with a recruiter why would jak so consistently clear him on his ubiquitous lists?

I already have a well-documented history of questioning jak in this thread because his story has seemed a bit sketchy. The numbers don't add up. We have no evidence of the vampires outside of jak's word and today, we have to find the recruiter or we lose. That's a slim to none chance if they're playing as well as they have up to this point (if they're even playing). Rather than fight futilely against the devil I don't know, I'll fight the devil I do. Vote Jak.

[StorrZerg]

pcm, you assume that things "never" stacked.

I think its likely stacks occurred. If jaks craziness is correct then its probably auto loss if he is lynched today.

Lets look at it this way, If jak is full of shit. It doesn't matter. (game would continue if no cult was alive correct?) What we should think about is what Jak is if he is not "vampire hunter"

[jak111]

Cult faction could still be out there, With 3 nights, could have 4 members.
Since game isn't over, my thoughts are IF there is a cult faction, they stacked with a mafia hit. Or tried to recruit the jak kill.

Or they tried to recruit me N1/N2. N2 more likely with all of what I was hinting at D2.

N3 definitely not since they'd know better from my claim to try.

Even perhaps they have a percentage chance of recruiting someone successfully.

Doesn't matter, my trust in people is minimal, anyone (besides pcm for today) could be cult.

My secondary action I will keep to myself for now, it's not useful at this time, it neither clears/confirms anyone. When it can clear/confirm someone I will reveal it.

Unlike the cop, who should be telling us who he found inno/vampire because his action will only be useful in today's lynching. (If he's not cult by now skewing results).

At the moment, two people left unclaimed. So far, no doctor. So it stands to believe that one of them will be our doc.

The thing to keep in mind right now, is everyone can do a real claim, but are they still that role or are they recruited.

I know I've been bypassing Anark for a while, but he'd be high on the recruit list if only for the fact everyone believes his VT claim. Last night the cop would of been very high on the recruit list.

I doubt they recruited Jmac last night or the night before with all the pressure that's been leaning his way, that being said he could possibly be recruited N1 or original leader.

I guess the main thing we have to do is figure out who would most likely be recruited of all the claims and people.

Also, spiesr, don't get hung up on my reason number 2, that is just thrown in there as there was no reason not to shoot him, nothing stuck out that made him worth keeping around. The list I had to work with that I've given myself during the day was very small. It was going to be one of them, just so happened to be your partner.

FP'd by pcm.

• Read this post, I just read yours and the Anark thing I brought up here actually.
• I am simply immune to them, I doubt I kill them if they attempt on me.
• If cult is at say 3 people right now, you realise it takes only yours and one more town's vote then vampires could quick-lynch me if they're fast. After that, it doesn't matter how hard you try, you'd lose. (Assuming they then not fail any night recruit attempts with me and mafia out of the way). Simply because they'd have more people than town with no way to reduce their percentage over town.

FP'd by Storr, should be thinking how strong is the vampire's hold over votes today. I'll not be casting my vote willy nilly, neither should anyone else that is still town.

[pancakemix]

pcm, you assume that things "never" stacked.

I think its likely stacks occurred. If jaks craziness is correct then its probably auto loss if he is lynched today.

Lets look at it this way, If jak is full of shit. It doesn't matter. (game would continue if no cult was alive correct?) What we should think about is what Jak is if he is not "vampire hunter"

SK comes to mind. It makes the most sense, considering how vanilla this setup has been.

@jak: How do you know you're just immune? How do you know you don't kill them? When I think about vampire hunters, that person isn't immune from vampires. They kill vampires.

How did I know you were going to try and withhold something here again? You really have no reason to withhold information from us right now. This is part of why I think you're scum. You're not willing to keep us in the loop. If you're actually on our side, get on it.

[Jmac1026]

He's has openly admitted to killing two towns, claiming he was "aiming" for the vamps. Oops. Vampire Hunting is a good cover for serial killing.

Vote Jak, unless mudpuppy has something helpful to add.

[StorrZerg]

yeah im not lynching jak today.

If jak telling truth, i can wait 1 more day.
Its worth the risk of extending 1 more day to see if he is telling truth regarding "cult"
If jak is SK, then game just ends yes?

Its simple logic at this point. Just like it was simple logic yesterday listening to MP

[jak111]

@jak: How do you know you're just immune? How do you know you don't kill them? When I think about vampire hunters, that person isn't immune from vampires. They kill vampires.

How did I know you were going to try and withhold something here again? You really have no reason to withhold information from us right now. This is part of why I think you're scum. You're not willing to keep us in the loop. If you're actually on our side, get on it.

(I love lists, they get my point across with nice bulletins)

• I could quote my pm, but no thanks, rather not be modkilled.
• Stop playing the mod pcm. Yeah, I'm a vampire hunter, what you, I and keener would do with the role is completely different from each other. He probably made it that I don't kill them so my role isn't terribly OP.
• I choose to withhold it because outing it does nothing for us, literally. It just gives the info out for someone to easily lie around. Right now it's not useful, but if I can catch someone in a lie. I will out it.

Trying to withhold something, I outed almost every damn thing possible for a faction I'm not 100% aligned with. I could of stayed quiet and let people get recruited around you while you're in complete ignorance that you are in fact losing. I withhold this simple action to further help your faction and my WC.

Think about this pcm. I know you're the doc, I've known since Sausage died and MP outed his role yesterday (which I didn't believe him because I thought he was the doc, then I started thinking, who would be the doc in this game). If I was anti-town I'd of killed you and covered it up by saying my kill was blocked or that I chose to not make a kill for whatever reason. Storr is out in the open too much to be the town's doc. You aren't. I'm outing you now, because there's literally no use of your role anymore. You can't stop recruiting unless you have some magical powers as the doc.

He's has openly admitted to killing two towns, claiming he was "aiming" for the vamps. Oops. Vampire Hunting is a good cover for serial killing.

Vote Jak, unless mudpuppy has something helpful to add.

• I killed 1 town directly (accidentally) and 1 indirectly (because of kgb's N1 action).

Your vote means nothing to me due to your probability to being cult (original or N1).

I am interested in seeing how others react to this. If you give up to cult now, only a few people win with all those dead townies losing including the ones that will be outnumbered when cult does achieve majority.

FP'd by Storr. They all have different reasons for voting me, I'm surprised you haven't yet, whether you're hammer sitting as cult or believe the foolishness going around.

Vampires want me gone, because if I'm gone there's nothing stopping them from the win.
Town wants me gone, because I haven't managed to kill a vampire yet even though I've killed 2/3 of the mafia faction for them. You'd think it's worth one more day to try to get vampires and prove to them just how royally screwed they are without my killing power.

Instead they believe me a SK which they could easily lynch at final 3/4 if I'm lying. What is the greater threat, ask yourselves that. A SK that can be lynched out of the game at 3/4 people left if that's what you really believe me to be. Or a vampire cult that wants me gone in order to have nothing to stop them from winning this.

[pancakemix]

(I love lists, they get my point across with nice bulletins)

-I could quote my pm, but no thanks, rather not be modkilled.
-Stop playing the mod pcm. Yeah, I'm a vampire hunter, what you, I and keener would do with the role is completely different from each other. He probably made it that I don't kill them so my role isn't terribly OP.
-I choose to withhold it because outing it does nothing for us, literally. It just gives the info out for someone to easily lie around. Right now it's not useful, but if I can catch someone in a lie. I will out it.

Not asking you to. I need more than faith at this point, though.

Then what do you suggest? I know what the basic mechanics are for mafia games, cults dying on nontown targets is one of them. My question is unanswered: How do you know that?

Listen, your role is a complicated mess of a thing that isn't fully explained. The only way we can get answers on this is you. You aren't giving them to us. You're supposed to be on our side. If you were on our side you'd tell us stuff, but you won't even post your role color.

While I'm on this subject, in what world could jak achieve at least one of all five of his possible actions? How does he receive these actions? Per his account, he doesn't "have" them, so how does he "get" them? Does he ask for them? Do they come to him? Do you see my point here? There's so much in terms of technical aspects that need to be figured out, but there's not much we know, and this is a lot of detail for one role when the rest of the game has been so simplistic.

Trying to withhold something, I outed almost every damn thing possible for a faction I'm not 100% aligned with. I could of stayed quiet and let people get recruited around you while you're in complete ignorance that you are in fact losing. I withhold this simple action to further help your faction and my WC.

How? What does it do? How does not telling me what I don't know further my WC? Sure, you could have stayed quiet, but mafia's a threat to you too either way. You got what you needed out of us, now it's fine time to sow confusion and mistrust while leading in the name of town. How am I supposed to believe you're with us if you won't tell me everything?

Think about this pcm. I know you're the doc, I've known since Sausage died and MP outed his role yesterday (which I didn't believe him because I thought he was the doc, then I started thinking, who would be the doc in this game). If I was anti-town I'd of killed you and covered it up by saying my kill was blocked or that I chose to not make a kill for whatever reason. Storr is out in the open too much to be the town's doc. You aren't. I'm outing you now, because there's literally no use of your role anymore. You can't stop recruiting unless you have some magical powers as the doc.

Heh. You're funny. Alas, you are wrong. Tell us who you think the vampires are, so we can know who not to look into.

[pancakemix]

While I'm on it: If you suspect Jmac so much, why didn't you kill him? He's probably THE most likely to be vampire if anyone is.

[kgb007]

@kgb, can you clarify your powers a bit more? Is it a one time use? (If so, the mod effectively made you a VT after forcing it N1).

correct, one time use, had to use it during N1, effectively a vanilla townie now

[jak111]

pcm, I know you're rarely a skimmer. So did you just start reading my posts late yesterday and today? All the information you're asking for I have stated here or there.

I even gave my real colour in today's small list thing of claims. You need to stop skipping my answers if you want your questions to have answers for them.

I have said, there's a percent chance of each item and I can slightly change the percentage each night.

Instead of asking the same questions I've answered as you "case" against me, just admit you skimmed my posts that have the answers to the questions you're asking and I'll put them all in a single post (I'll even go back and quote them all into one post for you). But for me to do that, you must admit that you skipped most of my posts (whether they're too large or whatever for you to read).

Right now, you're pulling this case from thin air with questions that I have answered at one point or another. It's like you're intentionally skipping it.

So once you do admit it, ask all your questions that you want in one post together (use bulletins like I've used, it's the little list code with the * code for each bulletin). Then I'll answer it in my post after the admittance post with all the answers colour coded to help you.

When is mafia ever completely basic? I mean >.> I can say more so for mine and slash's games, they are a bit more... experimental.

Then what I said yesterday is still valid if you're not the doc (which I find hard to believe, mafia not getting a night kill and all). Doc's and Cop's are not in every game and thus this is not your "basic mechanics" Cops and Docs are almost always in every basic game of mafia. I am sure behind some of those basic names he's given there's a bit more info to them than what meets the eye due to this not being a very basic game. Because after all this IS "The Village of Secrets". With that opening scene I do not think the name would suit the game if this is a basic mafia game. Otherwise the title would be "The Village of Basics".