Battle of the Bulge - CLOSED

[Some7hingCLEVER]

double post...i didnt even realize that pmc said the same exact thing....Well i agree.

[new guy1]

double post...i didnt even realize that pmc said the same exact thing....Well i agree.

Skimming now? I wouldnt have admitted to that .

[Some7hingCLEVER]

double post...i didnt even realize that pmc said the same exact thing....Well i agree.

Skimming now? I wouldnt have admitted to that .

lol i dont see how i skimmed if you think about it i replied to it therefore i would have had to read it. i noticed what he said it must have just stuck in my tiny brain...

[pmchugh]

Lol, maybe "lynch" is a bit harsh for the top one. We can certainly discuss the top few. I guess then we have to decide the order in which we say it, assuming nobody disagrees. If we do it randomly like the "yoshi role call" I have been hearing so much about then I think jak has to do the randomising, as he is the least likely to corrupt it IMO.

[Ragian]

Sounds like a plan that could spawn a lot of OMGUS

I don't think anyone has made any major slip-up just yet even though a lot of people have pounded blindfolded in various directions for 50 pages. I'm not convinced by any of the cases so far anyway (hence no voting from me as it is right now).

As I see it, there's a 3rd party and some scum-mariners in the mix. That would the safest bet for a lynch in my eyes. (Prolly gonna get players with the number 1 in their names on my back now.)

FASTPOSTED. Didn't read it yet...

[Ragian]

Sounds like a plan that could spawn a lot of OMGUS

I don't think anyone has made any major slip-up just yet even though a lot of people have pounded blindfolded in various directions for 50 pages. I'm not convinced by any of the cases so far anyway (hence no voting from me as it is right now).

As I see it, there's a 3rd party and some scum-mariners in the mix. That would be the safest bet for a lynch in my eyes. (Prolly gonna get players with the number 1 in their names on my back now.)

FASTPOSTED. Didn't read it yet...

EBWOP

[everywhere116]

Vote gimli

Welcome to the Game.

Safari guy, why are you voting for someone who may not have received a role PM yet?

I am overwhelmed by the irony.

[shieldgenerator7]

Prod recieved. I'm still gone and still at page 37 but I'll catch up when I can when I get back

-SG7 ( )

[chapcrap]

As of now, the only people I would consider are

• jgordon
• pmc
• newguy
• safari

I wouldn't have put safari on the list until he voted gimli. Maybe he was joking...It seemed serious and really ridiculous.

The reason I (half-jokingly) agreed with Doom about a post limit is because not everything you guys have posted is helpful at all, especially jgordon. You have been giving almost no helpful posts. All of your posts are just commentary on others' gameplay. It's kind of ridiculous.

@pmc, I can have justified votes and want to bandwagon on Day 1. Those do not have to be mutually exclusive.

[safariguy5]

As of now, the only people I would consider are

• jgordon
• pmc
• newguy
• safari

I wouldn't have put safari on the list until he voted gimli. Maybe he was joking...It seemed serious and really ridiculous.

The reason I (half-jokingly) agreed with Doom about a post limit is because not everything you guys have posted is helpful at all, especially jgordon. You have been giving almost no helpful posts. All of your posts are just commentary on others' gameplay. It's kind of ridiculous.

@pmc, I can have justified votes and want to bandwagon on Day 1. Those do not have to be mutually exclusive.

Again, pmc pushed me to pick somebody. I've already said I think we have enough information for me. How many more claims do you guys really want? At this point, I think it's either we lynch jgordon to minimize town losses or we no lynch and see what the night brings us.

[chapcrap]

saf, I saw that you said that earlier. I responded with the same feelings, but said one more claim wouldn't hurt in a game this size. We really only have 2 claims so far, which isn't a lot, IMO.

[jak111]

Hmm, my top THREE would probably be
[*]Saf
Chap
Doom[/*]

If only ones who are currently have at least one vote on them
[*]Chap
NG
No lynch[/*]

Saf has been jumpier than Hippo does in games with him. Which seems odd to me, but perhaps I haven't played with him enough. Also his lack of explanations lately seem doubly odd. He's pushing for the lynch but he'll settle for a no lynch.

Chap, well again, another player who's playing style is a bit off from what I've seen of him. He started the game quiet but got more active as lynching time grew closer.

Doom, whom I still have FOS on from earlier, at this point he could or could not be a mafia. Although his name as definitely sunk in activity since the case was pulled from him.

NG, not much of a reason, just a few gut feelings of late and everyone else being voted for are either being pulled off or they don't seem scummy/inactive.

No vote because everyones all over the place, and really those who think we must lynch the survivor if we lynch anyone, why not just no lynch and add to our numbers a potential ally? You all seem odd to be for pushing it so hard.

[jak111]

Hmm, my top THREE would probably be

Saf
Chap
Doom

If only ones who are currently have at least one vote on them

Chap
NG
No lynch

EBWOP

[DoomYoshi]

Even though I am on your top 3 list, I agree with it. However, chap and safari are both great players and I am not sure I want to take them on day 1. That seems like a lot of effort. I will let jak pick one and will follow along.

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My top three, by suspicion would include jak, because frankly I don't believe his claimed name or special ability, but I will leave him redacted from the list because it is the type of thing that needs later confirmation and definitely not a lynch at this point.

The true three would be
Jgordon, obviously, I still believe the most info can be gained from his death, and it is possible he is scum, if not now we will probably lose him through the cracks until endgame, and be in a situation similar to what PMC described.

everywhere116, doesn't really contribute much beyond the occasional quip, his last serious vote, as I have noted panned out poorly, and wasn't thought through seemingly.

Safari, I find it odd to pressure the replacement like that out of nowhere, there are cases abound that will actually generate data because there have been tons of posts, I wonder if there is a reason he wants to detract from them and on to a completely random case on someone with no in game posts, besides supposedly not reading fast enough. One would think someone so read up would have an actual case by P.50


newguy narrowly is bumped down to fourth, for the reasons I mentioned a few pages back, and possibly for trying to prematurely put that line to bed. (ie: saying in advance "that's all I have to say" then literally not responding further, moving on to the definition of "OMGUS")

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Oh also, I suspect newguy because he vigorously and immediately (see post times), backed Jak every step of the way pages 21-24, rather than letting jak stand on his own through questioning, I think it may have either been an attempt to save a partners fakeclaim, or buddying the doc.

[jak111]

Oh also, I suspect newguy because he vigorously and immediately (see post times), backed Jak every step of the way pages 21-24, rather than letting jak stand on his own through questioning, I think it may have either been an attempt to save a partners fakeclaim, or buddying the doc.

Ah, good catch. Obviously there'll be people trying to play the good guy to the doc.

But my question is. (THIS IS TO EVERYONE) Should we start crossing off names that shouldn't be questioned and voted for for D1 only. Or continue making a huge list?

[jgordon1111]

As of now, the only people I would consider are

• jgordon
• pmc
• newguy
• safari

I wouldn't have put safari on the list until he voted gimli. Maybe he was joking...It seemed serious and really ridiculous.

The reason I (half-jokingly) agreed with Doom about a post limit is because not everything you guys have posted is helpful at all, especially jgordon. You have been giving almost no helpful posts. All of your posts are just commentary on others' gameplay. It's kind of ridiculous.

@pmc, I can have justified votes and want to bandwagon on Day 1. Those do not have to be mutually exclusive.

You are exactly right about my post's being a commentary on others gameplay chap,I thank you for noticing.

I therefore am puzzled on the exact criteria that you use to determine who to vote for.(BW's?)

Because that is the exact criteria I use to try and determine whether or not someone is possible scum. Their gameplay is very important I believe.

And for you to make the comment I have to be lynched because I am questioning gameplay makes you ever more scummy each post you make.

But please take a moment reflect and respond with what exactly your vote criteria is.

Be very careful with your response now chap,because I am at the point I think I have you.

Ah fastposted by doom with the usual lynch jgordon routine, but at least your making some posts with valid points now.But I see the survivor is suicidal theory has fell by the wayside,going to go with someone elses idea now in the hopes it works it would seem. I have already responded to that one, I have already picked the side I would like to win. And no its not cheating,going against my role or any other idea you are trying to plant.
I forget is PMC's vote on me, hmmmm. Come up with a new tactic doom,you are closer to that noose every post.

Oh I almost forgot the JG is vote hopping, I would say your doing a fair amount of it yourself doom,and now by my count you are now ahead of me.

Again fastposted by / now there is a post with info.

Fastposted by jak,never cross a name off the list until it comes down to deadline.

[safariguy5]

Hmm, my top THREE would probably be
[*]Saf
Chap
Doom[/*]

If only ones who are currently have at least one vote on them
[*]Chap
NG
No lynch[/*]

Saf has been jumpier than Hippo does in games with him. Which seems odd to me, but perhaps I haven't played with him enough. Also his lack of explanations lately seem doubly odd. He's pushing for the lynch but he'll settle for a no lynch.

Chap, well again, another player who's playing style is a bit off from what I've seen of him. He started the game quiet but got more active as lynching time grew closer.

Doom, whom I still have FOS on from earlier, at this point he could or could not be a mafia. Although his name as definitely sunk in activity since the case was pulled from him.

NG, not much of a reason, just a few gut feelings of late and everyone else being voted for are either being pulled off or they don't seem scummy/inactive.

No vote because everyones all over the place, and really those who think we must lynch the survivor if we lynch anyone, why not just no lynch and add to our numbers a potential ally? You all seem odd to be for pushing it so hard.

I'm not pushing crap. All I'm doing is making a case since pmc pushed me to do so. If you can't tell already, I'm simply throwing a name out there so nobody forgets about it later.

[chapcrap]

Chap, well again, another player who's playing style is a bit off from what I've seen of him. He started the game quiet but got more active as lynching time grew closer.

Still reading, but first of all, when have you seen me play before? I don't remember playing with before. Maybe once.

Second, got more active as lynching time grew closer? Or as my wife got out of the hospital from having our kid and I had more time because I wasn't working 13 hours a day like I am today...

[chapcrap]

Ok, I thought there would be more to read, that's why I responded with that first post. I guess the game is slowing a bit with the number of posts, thankfully.

And for you to make the comment I have to be lynched because I am questioning gameplay makes you ever more scummy each post you make.

I didn't say you needed to be lynched because you are questioning gameplay. If you can find where I said that, I'd be happy to respond to it. Otherwise, quit making false accusations.

In the past, I did say that you are acting the scummiest. And I did say that you should be lynched if we can't find someone inherently scummy. And what's weird about it is now you are mad at me for it even though you voted yourself... Perhaps you should build a case on yourself for BW'ing yourself.

[pmchugh]

Well my list is rather simple, the order is the hard thing.
Chap
Saf
Doom

Doom has always been on the radar for me, lets take a look at his latest post.

Even though I am on your top 3 list, I agree with it. However, chap and safari are both great players and I am not sure I want to take them on day 1. That seems like a lot of effort. I will let jak pick one and will follow along.

This post is so lazy it is ridiculous. It is "too much effort" to try and lynch someone, so he will just follow the doc. He is clearly trying to fence sit and absolve himself of any blame for picking a target. FOS

On to saf then.

Again, pmc pushed me to pick somebody. I've already said I think we have enough information for me. How many more claims do you guys really want? At this point, I think it's either we lynch jgordon to minimize town losses or we no lynch and see what the night brings us.

As someone else pointed out 2 claims is not that much, considering this is an 18 player game and only one of them were town. Are you not interested in catching scum? Even if we fail then more information would not hurt, especially considering we have no idea how many night kills there will be tonight. Due to the length of time you've been playing I find your apathetic nature towards gathering info on day 1 highly suspicious. FOS.

Finally lets move on to chap, who has now changed his tune to say that he does have good reasons behind his waggoning. So lets take a look at him and some of the things I pointed out earlier that he never addressed.

Gi..give me till tomorrow afternoon to post guys. My friend just.. I'll be a day or two...

Is this trying to make fun of someone? I don't know.

However, I agree with was saf said about jak. More than anything, I think it's ridiculous that jak tries to guide the doctor for absolutely no reason. Guiding the doctor to a specific person is scummy in itself, because you need to guide the doctor on day 1 by giving them information to go on in general.

Not only is it ridiculous to guide the doctor to a specific person, it's even more ridiculous when the person in question is in no way proven to be town or be helpful to town.

AND, the reason given for saving him is even more absurd. If you have no idea what pmc's role is, how can you say that you need him to answer question about night intel? The whole thing is preposterous and makes me think that you are scum who is trying to guide the doctor into doing something predictable.

unvote vote jak

Through IMO faulty logic and repeating safs point three or four times he forms part of his first BW.

It was faulty because guiding the doctor can end in a double protection AND it wasn't even his own original thought he just copied sarifguy.

On to jgordon, the case seems ok, but not overwhelming to me. I do agree that his activity has been scummy though. After looking back at it, he seems to be waffling back and forth about everything and being very non-committal. That is scummy. For now, my vote stays on jak until he responds to my questions.

The bold and underlined part here shows how poor his reasoning has been. You can say a great number of things about jgordon but "non-committal" is the one thing he is not.

I want to get more information for town to work with, but if we don't have someone who is inherently scummy at the end of this day, I will say that we need to lynch jgordon.

This seems reasonable, but in reality it is just copying other peoples reasoning again. For example:

If we really don't have anything else by the end of this day, then I'm willing to follow a survivor lynch over a town lynch.

Still, lynching someone who we believe to be scum is better than lynching the survivor, so I won't vote for jg yet. After all, we have a week left.

Next:

As far as my vote goes, I don't really see that Doom pointing out the soft claim was all that scummy. However, I will pressure him because someone needs pressured for more information. If he wasn't already being pressured, I would pressure Rodion. I don't like his level of activity in this game. I have played a few with him and this behavior on Day 1, I don't like from him. vote DoomYoshi

My vote will stay on Doom. Yes, I agreed with what you had to say about you fully exposing jak's claim. However, that doesn't mean you can't be pressured. As stated, at that time, I didn't see anyone else compelling and as I am still looking for scum, I went ahead and pressured someone for information, not for a lynch. My vote will stay until you claim.

One case that was not mentioned in jaks vote summary was dooms. At one point he looked like a decent BW target due to his outing of jaks soft claim. This for me stands out as the most scummy one he was involved in because he openly admits that he thinks doom is not scummy and he can even explain why, but he votes him anyway just because other people are pressuring him... BW much?

I see chap offered no defense to one of my central points, I clearly stated here that he appeared to be bandwaggoning on someone with no good reason.

Anyway, I don't really see what CLEVER just did that was that awful. It's still day though and every little thing will be jumped on. At least we're finally doing something. I suppose that CLEVER is the scummiest (other than jgordon, who I'm not sure I believe anyway), so I'll go ahead and make DoomYoshi happy and unvote FOS CLEVER. No vote for now, because that's 3 votes in a row already and we don't need to get out of control when we have until May 7.

The above post is clearly an endorsement of the clever wagon while once against acknowledging he had done little to deserve it. This time he appears to not vote him only because of his awareness that a quick BW is happening.

Again, no good reasons. He basically side stepped my whole argument by ignoring the fact I accused him of BW with little/no reason. My vote stays where it is.

[jak111]

Aye, I agree with PMC. His post as solidified my assumptions and my vote will remain on Chap for the rest of the day.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Well my list is rather simple, the order is the hard thing.
Chap
Saf
Doom

Doom has always been on the radar for me, lets take a look at his latest post.

Even though I am on your top 3 list, I agree with it. However, chap and safari are both great players and I am not sure I want to take them on day 1. That seems like a lot of effort. I will let jak pick one and will follow along.

This post is so lazy it is ridiculous. It is "too much effort" to try and lynch someone, so he will just follow the doc. He is clearly trying to fence sit and absolve himself of any blame for picking a target. FOS

On to saf then.

Again, pmc pushed me to pick somebody. I've already said I think we have enough information for me. How many more claims do you guys really want? At this point, I think it's either we lynch jgordon to minimize town losses or we no lynch and see what the night brings us.

As someone else pointed out 2 claims is not that much, considering this is an 18 player game and only one of them were town. Are you not interested in catching scum? Even if we fail then more information would not hurt, especially considering we have no idea how many night kills there will be tonight. Due to the length of time you've been playing I find your apathetic nature towards gathering info on day 1 highly suspicious. FOS.

Finally lets move on to chap, who has now changed his tune to say that he does have good reasons behind his waggoning. So lets take a look at him and some of the things I pointed out earlier that he never addressed.

Gi..give me till tomorrow afternoon to post guys. My friend just.. I'll be a day or two...

Is this trying to make fun of someone? I don't know.

However, I agree with was saf said about jak. More than anything, I think it's ridiculous that jak tries to guide the doctor for absolutely no reason. Guiding the doctor to a specific person is scummy in itself, because you need to guide the doctor on day 1 by giving them information to go on in general.

Not only is it ridiculous to guide the doctor to a specific person, it's even more ridiculous when the person in question is in no way proven to be town or be helpful to town.

AND, the reason given for saving him is even more absurd. If you have no idea what pmc's role is, how can you say that you need him to answer question about night intel? The whole thing is preposterous and makes me think that you are scum who is trying to guide the doctor into doing something predictable.

unvote vote jak

Through IMO faulty logic and repeating safs point three or four times he forms part of his first BW.

It was faulty because guiding the doctor can end in a double protection AND it wasn't even his own original thought he just copied sarifguy.

On to jgordon, the case seems ok, but not overwhelming to me. I do agree that his activity has been scummy though. After looking back at it, he seems to be waffling back and forth about everything and being very non-committal. That is scummy. For now, my vote stays on jak until he responds to my questions.

The bold and underlined part here shows how poor his reasoning has been. You can say a great number of things about jgordon but "non-committal" is the one thing he is not.

I want to get more information for town to work with, but if we don't have someone who is inherently scummy at the end of this day, I will say that we need to lynch jgordon.

This seems reasonable, but in reality it is just copying other peoples reasoning again. For example:

If we really don't have anything else by the end of this day, then I'm willing to follow a survivor lynch over a town lynch.

Still, lynching someone who we believe to be scum is better than lynching the survivor, so I won't vote for jg yet. After all, we have a week left.

Next:

As far as my vote goes, I don't really see that Doom pointing out the soft claim was all that scummy. However, I will pressure him because someone needs pressured for more information. If he wasn't already being pressured, I would pressure Rodion. I don't like his level of activity in this game. I have played a few with him and this behavior on Day 1, I don't like from him. vote DoomYoshi

My vote will stay on Doom. Yes, I agreed with what you had to say about you fully exposing jak's claim. However, that doesn't mean you can't be pressured. As stated, at that time, I didn't see anyone else compelling and as I am still looking for scum, I went ahead and pressured someone for information, not for a lynch. My vote will stay until you claim.

One case that was not mentioned in jaks vote summary was dooms. At one point he looked like a decent BW target due to his outing of jaks soft claim. This for me stands out as the most scummy one he was involved in because he openly admits that he thinks doom is not scummy and he can even explain why, but he votes him anyway just because other people are pressuring him... BW much?

I see chap offered no defense to one of my central points, I clearly stated here that he appeared to be bandwaggoning on someone with no good reason.

Anyway, I don't really see what CLEVER just did that was that awful. It's still day though and every little thing will be jumped on. At least we're finally doing something. I suppose that CLEVER is the scummiest (other than jgordon, who I'm not sure I believe anyway), so I'll go ahead and make DoomYoshi happy and unvote FOS CLEVER. No vote for now, because that's 3 votes in a row already and we don't need to get out of control when we have until May 7.

The above post is clearly an endorsement of the clever wagon while once against acknowledging he had done little to deserve it. This time he appears to not vote him only because of his awareness that a quick BW is happening.

Again, no good reasons. He basically side stepped my whole argument by ignoring the fact I accused him of BW with little/no reason. My vote stays where it is.

just check once more what you said.

[jak111]

just check once more what you said.

I doubt quoting the entire thing is going to help PMC or anyone reading your post Clever. Try to be more precise.