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[shieldgenerator7]

I see the AoG BW has died down. I still think AoG may be scum, but since blake has more votes, and I also think he's scum from my previous argument,
Unvote Vote Blake
I also think yoshi's comments are a tad suspicious.

[DoomYoshi]

In what way are they suspicious?

[MeDeFe]

In what way are they suspicious?

From my point of view, because they're "Hard and Fast" rather than analytical and thought out. I consider your arguments sloppy and, as I said, you would disregard more likely outcomes over the absolute worst-case scenarios. That's a good recipe for confusing people. Your latest posts show some improvement, though.

I can see your point about blake's comment (that him voting for AoG wouldn't be out of the ordinary) being out of the ordinary. But I am more inclined to attribute it to noobishness than to being scum.

[shieldgenerator7]

yoshi, some of your comments may seem scummy to me because a nervous person usually types less carefully. Why would you be nervous? Because you're scum and afraid of being found out. Of course, you may be typing carelessly because you're just plain lacidasical, but it might seem scummy to type carelessly. Personally, I don't know if you're scum or not, that's why I just FoS yoshi instead of voting you. Typing carelessly may be a scumtell and it might not be. IDK for sure. But I really suspect something with the AoG-Blake incident.

[DoomYoshi]

I see the AoG BW has died down. I still think AoG may be scum, but since blake has more votes, and I also think he's scum from my previous argument,
Unvote Vote Blake
I also think yoshi's comments are a tad suspicious.

Here you used the same logic that blake used. So you are voting for him for doing exactly the same thing you did by voting for him?

Anyways, as promised: voting the inactive. It's a tough call, but only one player seems bent on not advancing the town' agenda. unvote vote jeraado Don't think you've escaped my notice either Icon and tails; we need some posts of substance. Today we have had 2 BWs and 3 cases presented as well as some subtle hints. It may not be an epic day 1, but we still got something done and I would like to hear your opinions on as much as possible.

[shieldgenerator7]

I see the AoG BW has died down. I still think AoG may be scum, but since blake has more votes, and I also think he's scum from my previous argument,
Unvote Vote Blake
I also think yoshi's comments are a tad suspicious.

Here you used the same logic that blake used. So you are voting for him for doing exactly the same thing you did by voting for him?

what do you mean, I used the same logic blake used? Blake stopped believing AoG was scum (or so it appears) but I still think they both are. Blake just has more votes than AoG.

[freezie]

I see the AoG BW has died down. I still think AoG may be scum, but since blake has more votes, and I also think he's scum from my previous argument,
Unvote Vote Blake
I also think yoshi's comments are a tad suspicious.

Here you used the same logic that blake used. So you are voting for him for doing exactly the same thing you did by voting for him?

Anyways, as promised: voting the inactive. It's a tough call, but only one player seems bent on not advancing the town' agenda. unvote vote jeraado Don't think you've escaped my notice either Icon and tails; we need some posts of substance. Today we have had 2 BWs and 3 cases presented as well as some subtle hints. It may not be an epic day 1, but we still got something done and I would like to hear your opinions on as much as possible.

It wasn't the same logic..Shield is talking about the quick l-1/unvote from blake..Which does seem scummy when you look at it.

Also, I beleive Tail should be prodded..He hasn't said anything since I beleive page 2.

Also..pointing out that Blake is at l-2 and at this rate we're going to get a massclaim day 1..

But..For now unvote Re-reading the last few posts by Doom made me feel better about him.

I am currently re-reading so..May have something to post shortly

[safariguy5]

Announcement

Tails has been prodded.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Rodion(1)- tails
DoomYoshi(1)- MeDeFe
Tails(1)- Vio
No Lynch(1)- AoG
blake(4)- Rodion, jeraado, naxus, shieldgenerator7
jeraado(1)- Yoshi

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline in 2 Days.

[DoomYoshi]

I see the AoG BW has died down. I still think AoG may be scum, but since blake has more votes, and I also think he's scum from my previous argument,
Unvote Vote Blake

Here you used the same logic that blake used. So you are voting for him for doing exactly the same thing you did by voting for him?

It wasn't the same logic..Shield is talking about the quick l-1/unvote from blake..Which does seem scummy when you look at it.

I cut out all the unneccesary stuff above. Part of sg's argument is that "but since has blake has more votes". That's shameless bandwagoning in an attempt to seem unsuspicious. I realize that in sg's mind he is voting for the specific act (vote unvote on AoG). But that specific act was based on blake's attempt to bandwagon in order to seem unsuspicous. It gets a bit convoluted there, but it makes sense I swear

[Army of GOD]

Wait, so sheildgenerator thinks blake is scum because he has votes for him?

I must be missing something...

[TA1LGUNN3R]

hey prod received. I just got back from a concert a couple of hours ago, haven't had time to read over my games here. Will do later tonight.

-Tails

[freezie]

I see the AoG BW has died down. I still think AoG may be scum, but since blake has more votes, and I also think he's scum from my previous argument,
Unvote Vote Blake

Here you used the same logic that blake used. So you are voting for him for doing exactly the same thing you did by voting for him?

It wasn't the same logic..Shield is talking about the quick l-1/unvote from blake..Which does seem scummy when you look at it.

I cut out all the unneccesary stuff above. Part of sg's argument is that "but since has blake has more votes". That's shameless bandwagoning in an attempt to seem unsuspicious. I realize that in sg's mind he is voting for the specific act (vote unvote on AoG). But that specific act was based on blake's attempt to bandwagon in order to seem unsuspicous. It gets a bit convoluted there, but it makes sense I swear

After thousand years of research, billions of cash wasted on laboratory experiments....I get what you're saying.

But it leads us nowhere anyway..-.-

[TA1LGUNN3R]

And no DY, I can't think of a better person to lynch, because you guys are literally going off nothing.

Okay but this is precisely what some others have tried to explain. We're looking for motivations, what reasoning and posts the players use to further their agendas. To rely on the happenstance cop investigation for D2 leads only diminishes town's winning chances (and honestly is dull). I know that you don't like that, I remember you suggested similar, very cautious stuff when you played before your last ban, but really D1 lynching a townie isn't that bad. In fact, it gives us evidence about who participated in the lynch.

Which brings me to my next point, if I may direct your attention to AoG's VC on the last BW that precipitated his claim:

Rodion, 00icon, naxus, Doom, Shield, blakebowling

4/6 players could be considered newer players, and I believe that they may have voted for Army of GOD because the D1 no lynch is an established scumtell, and so they may have been sticking to the mechanics, learning the ropes kinda thing, etc. That doesn't mean they were misplaced, but I have some thoughts on the matter.

I was gonna post earlier regarding the AoG BW (Sunday I was working, and when I got home I was working on a calc test, and then Monday after the second part of the test I was driving to the concert--didn't get back until this afternoon), that the easy lynch is easy. So while some of you could be scum leaping at the chance to lynch a townie who made the classic D1 no lynch and get of scott-free, I think that a more experienced player would use this to their advantage. For example, MeDeFe's case on DoomYoshi jumped out at me. Not that the case itself was poor of quality or anything like that (honestly I'll have to read more into the DY-MeDeFe exchange), but rather the timing. It was an opportune time for someone to make a case on Doom since he was on the BW and AoG had claimed. I could see someone clever like MeDeFe waiting until that silly BW died down and use posts by one of those spearheading the BW to build a case. I know this is pure speculation and meta, so I won't even bother placing a vote or fos, but I think this serves as an example of how there are always motives behind others' posts.

Also, I beleive Tail should be prodded..He hasn't said anything since I beleive page 2.

hehe. Don't worry I'm contemplating my next chess move as I'm typing this.

A bit about myself: I play mafia Fast and Hard. I type Fast and Hard.

ooh. I like where this is going. Can I buy you a drink?

-Tails

[MeDeFe]

For example, MeDeFe's case on DoomYoshi jumped out at me. Not that the case itself was poor of quality or anything like that (honestly I'll have to read more into the DY-MeDeFe exchange), but rather the timing. It was an opportune time for someone to make a case on Doom since he was on the BW and AoG had claimed. I could see someone clever like MeDeFe waiting until that silly BW died down and use posts by one of those spearheading the BW to build a case. I know this is pure speculation and meta, so I won't even bother placing a vote or fos, but I think this serves as an example of how there are always motives behind others' posts.

I can't deny that this is a possible explanation. The truth is more mundane, though.

DY was a driving force behind the wagon against AoG, then he jumped on blake for playing exactly by the book by joining and then leaving the wagon after the claim. A behaviour I wouldn't find overly suspicious even from a highly experienced player, from a new player who has learned the basics of the game it is pretty much to be expected. I wanted to make my case before a second wagon against blake (who, as I've said, I believe is town) got completely out of hand. When noone counterclaimed AoG it certainly did not help allay my suspicions.
In hindsight I must admit that a part of the case I made was due to DY and me having different styles of playing the game, and due to us evaluating the risk of some things very differently. I am by no means convinced he is town, but I can understand where he's coming from a bit better, although I still think he's doing it wrong.

[00iCon]

WHAT? Are you saying that since I was scum in last game, I can't be scum in this one? I like to think those events are independent... although perhaps I need to take more Stats classes;)

the universe is one big chain of events. i believe nothing is independent. in hindsight i should've kept my mouth shut, you puny humans will never understand.

This has turned out a very difficult day 1. There are lots of connections i can see between players, but no major slip ups(not including AoG). Whoever flips due to the NK will be valuable info for the next lynch.

[shieldgenerator7]

WHAT? Are you saying that since I was scum in last game, I can't be scum in this one? I like to think those events are independent... although perhaps I need to take more Stats classes;)

the universe is one big chain of events. i believe nothing is independent. in hindsight i should've kept my mouth shut, you puny humans will never understand.
This has turned out a very difficult day 1. There are lots of connections i can see between players, but no major slip ups(not including AoG). Whoever flips due to the NK will be valuable info for the next lynch.

I feel like you just served us a meal of insults and a desert of summary. I don't see much substance in this post that hasn't been said already. Does the underlined part mean you are not human and possibly robot scum?

[blakebowling]

Did anyone else notice AoG hasn't posted at all since the attention shifted to myself and yoshi?

[DoomYoshi]

Actually he has. He was trying to figure out when being voted for became a scumtell lol

[jeraado]

Did anyone else notice AoG hasn't posted at all since the attention shifted to myself and yoshi?

Yes I had, however he has claimed a character (a high-profile one at that) and no-one has counter-claimed, so I don't think there's much to pursue there. I wouldnt be surprised if it is partly fake though - vanilla townie in a 12-player game seems unlikely.

For now I will unvote

Fastposted, but I dont really understand what you mean?

[blakebowling]

Actually he has. He was trying to figure out when being voted for became a scumtell lol

Ah. I must have missed that post when I was confirming. I'm actually uncertain of who we should be looking for at a lynch. I can, however assure you it's not me.

[DoomYoshi]

Actually he has. He was trying to figure out when being voted for became a scumtell lol

Ah. I must have missed that post when I was confirming. I'm actually uncertain of who we should be looking for at a lynch. I can, however assure you it's not me.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=142441&start=90#p3113323

I mean this post. He was confused as to sg's rationale for voting for you.

[blakebowling]

Actually he has. He was trying to figure out when being voted for became a scumtell lol

Ah. I must have missed that post when I was confirming. I'm actually uncertain of who we should be looking for at a lynch. I can, however assure you it's not me.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=142441&start=90#p3113323

I mean this post. He was confused as to sg's rationale for voting for you.

I found it after you mentioned it, but I didn't see it the first time.

We have two days left, and we have to vote to do something (and I'm pretty sure everyone but AoG agrees no lynch is usually a bad idea). I honestly don't see much of any reason to suspect anyone (there have been some strange / dumb things done, but nothing I would attribute to scumtells). The way I see it we have (roughly) three options: make others reveal something about themselves / start a new BW on someone, lynch AoG (to make sure we don't kill a town power role), vote me (until I'm forced to claim that is). If you ask me, the most plausible route is to get some sort of information from someone new, but then again I'm new at this.

[DoomYoshi]

I think jeraado is a good candidate for 3 reasons:

He had only made two posts, both of which were reiterations of what I had said. I like when people agree with me, but that's one of scum tactics... just pick a town player and agree with them. Now he has made a third. Could be perceived as a smokescreen post.

Tails and Icon are normally inactive which makes me leery about voting them. However with jeraado I have no idea what his meta is like and so I will play it safe and keep my vote there.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Tails and Icon are normally inactive...

Am I?

Anyway I've read more into the exchange between you and MeDeFe--

Anyways, as promised: voting the inactive. It's a tough call, but only one player seems bent on not advancing the town' agenda. unvote vote jeraado Don't think you've escaped my notice either Icon and tails; we need some posts of substance. Today we have had 2 BWs and 3 cases presented as well as some subtle hints. It may not be an epic day 1, but we still got something done and I would like to hear your opinions on as much as possible.

So you make a case on blake and then when called out on it, you switch to the inactive?

unvote vote DoomYoshi

-Tails