steve 3ah [busted]

[Hsur]

He probably got busted, booted from all current games then re-bought premium and started a bunch of new games.

[Ace Rimmer]

He was busted with an older account. In the past, they have always made someone re-buy under the older account. In this case, they let him re-buy with the new account. I don't get why they did that and Andy has refused to answer my PM asking for clarification.

Jake

[Hsur]

Yes, I thought too, if your busted, you have to re-buy with the older account. This one doesn't make sense, unless they now let you decide which account you want to re-buy.

[jleonnn]

steve 3ah is BUSTED with billy07.

Good catch DF.

fixed the link

[the.killing.44]

billy07 isn't a user.

[KraphtOne]

looks like etropal all over again...

busted but not busted... my suggestion to you guys is to stop caring...

[Bruceswar]

billy07 isn't a user.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&un=billy07

the link above is the correct one. He exist

[the.killing.44]

billy07 isn't a user.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&un=billy07

the link above is the correct one. He exist

Right…jleonn linked the period.

[Queen_Herpes]

I happened upon a question from Steve 3ah on a different forum. Checked out his games and asked him if he wanted to play some...he agreed...I sent him an invite but was told he is banned...so I checked out this thread.

I then talked with Steve 3ah and found that he forgot the password to the billy07 account and so I looked at that account...

billy07 hasn't played a game since 2008. Here is his last game Game 2978469.

Steve 3ah hasn't ever played a game with billy07.

So I ask this question...how is this guy a multi? There is no evidence of abuse.

Should ConquerClub and the moderators take him at his word that he lost hte password to the billy07 account?

By Steve 3ah's account he has paid for premium twice in the past 2 months. Yet he is currently banned.

Could someone from Conquer Club attempt to help this guy out rather than simply banning him without an indepth review? I mean, come on, it took me about one minute of my time to look at both accounts and then do a Game Finder search to see if they've played in the same game together.

Unless there is something I'm missing here, I think this was an errant decision to ban both accounts.

and...Steve 3ah...you should post your story here so people can hear it.

[72o]

I happened upon a question from Steve 3ah on a different forum. Checked out his games and asked him if he wanted to play some...he agreed...I sent him an invite but was told he is banned...so I checked out this thread.

I then talked with Steve 3ah and found that he forgot the password to the billy07 account and so I looked at that account...

billy07 hasn't played a game since 2008. Here is his last game Game 2978469.

Steve 3ah hasn't ever played a game with billy07.

So I ask this question...how is this guy a multi? There is no evidence of abuse.

Should ConquerClub and the moderators take him at his word that he lost hte password to the billy07 account?

By Steve 3ah's account he has paid for premium twice in the past 2 months. Yet he is currently banned.

Could someone from Conquer Club attempt to help this guy out rather than simply banning him without an indepth review? I mean, come on, it took me about one minute of my time to look at both accounts and then do a Game Finder search to see if they've played in the same game together.

Unless there is something I'm missing here, I think this was an errant decision to ban both accounts.

and...Steve 3ah...you should post your story here so people can hear it.

He can't post here if he's banned.

Also, when he made the Steve 3ah account, he checked a little box that said "I will only ever use one account." So, he lied right there.

If he wanted to play again, he should have sent an e-ticket to reset his password so he could use his original account. Instead, he created a multi, which caused him to be banned.

Maybe for $25 more, and a promise not to do it again, he can be unbanned.

[Woodruff]

? If you pay for premium you can get away with multis? Is that actually a rule?

Sadly, yes.

[72o]

Apparently he's not banned, because he's posting in the forums. I don't know.

[steve 3ah]

Apparently he's not banned, because he's posting in the forums. I don't know.

it would seem that cc have passed my premium over to my billy07 account. which i am more than happy with. i never wanted to cheat anyone and didn't know the procedure of finding out my pw. now all i need is the pw so i can access it and everybody is happy .

[Queen_Herpes]

He can't post here if he's banned.

Also, when he made the Steve 3ah account, he checked a little box that said "I will only ever use one account." So, he lied right there.

If he wanted to play again, he should have sent an e-ticket to reset his password so he could use his original account. Instead, he created a multi, which caused him to be banned.

Maybe for $25 more, and a promise not to do it again, he can be unbanned.

The point is that he was told once that he was in error...and the solution the mods came up with was to tell him he could rebuy with the Steve 3ah account. SO HE DID.

As far as the "only ever use one account" jargon, I think that you can understand his situation. He forgot the password, he didn't know about etickets, and it was never his intention to use two accounts. He, like anyone who is re-accessing a site they have been away from for a while, probably figured it wouldn't be a big deal. And...it shouldn't be this big of a deal.

Look at his comments in the game where he was "identified" as a multi...then look at his comments on this thread. He clearly didn't see any error or cheating in his ways. I'm not one to say that ignorance allows a person to be free from consequence, but he obviously did not consider himself to be cheating by using multiple accounts.

The hammer (once again) came down too quickly on this one...without enough review. moderators should be given the power to mark accussations as "[Pending]" and should communicate with the accussed considerably before marking them "[busted.]"

[72o]

He can't post here if he's banned.

Also, when he made the Steve 3ah account, he checked a little box that said "I will only ever use one account." So, he lied right there.

If he wanted to play again, he should have sent an e-ticket to reset his password so he could use his original account. Instead, he created a multi, which caused him to be banned.

Maybe for $25 more, and a promise not to do it again, he can be unbanned.

The point is that he was told once that he was in error...and the solution the mods came up with was to tell him he could rebuy with the Steve 3ah account. SO HE DID.

As far as the "only ever use one account" jargon, I think that you can understand his situation. He forgot the password, he didn't know about etickets, and it was never his intention to use two accounts. He, like anyone who is re-accessing a site they have been away from for a while, probably figured it wouldn't be a big deal. And...it shouldn't be this big of a deal.

Look at his comments in the game where he was "identified" as a multi...then look at his comments on this thread. He clearly didn't see any error or cheating in his ways. I'm not one to say that ignorance allows a person to be free from consequence, but he obviously did not consider himself to be cheating by using multiple accounts.

The hammer (once again) came down too quickly on this one...without enough review. moderators should be given the power to mark accussations as "[Pending]" and should communicate with the accussed considerably before marking them "[busted.]"

I would tend to agree with you that he's not maliciously creating multis after understanding the situation, but I still think CC is doing the right thing by enforcing a zero-tolerance policy when it comes to multis. They are the largest threat to the integrity of the game, and if left unchecked, would destroy the revenue-generating potential of this site.

I also think things like this thread could be put to bed if they would state publicly their actions regarding something like this. If I were steve 3ah, I would certainly want people to know that CC had ruled that I was not a cheater, but simply naive to the rules, and they had allowed me to buy back in. I would expect people to be told all of this so that I would be treated like any other member of the community, and not a past cheater.

[king sam]

The point is that he was told once that he was in error...and the solution the mods came up with was to tell him he could rebuy with the Steve 3ah account. SO HE DID.

As far as the "only ever use one account" jargon, I think that you can understand his situation. He forgot the password, he didn't know about etickets, and it was never his intention to use two accounts. He, like anyone who is re-accessing a site they have been away from for a while, probably figured it wouldn't be a big deal. And...it shouldn't be this big of a deal.

Look at his comments in the game where he was "identified" as a multi...then look at his comments on this thread. He clearly didn't see any error or cheating in his ways. I'm not one to say that ignorance allows a person to be free from consequence, but he obviously did not consider himself to be cheating by using multiple accounts.

The hammer (once again) came down too quickly on this one...without enough review. moderators should be given the power to mark accussations as "[Pending]" and should communicate with the accussed considerably before marking them "[busted.]"

Do you have to make a cognizant effort when creating an account on here to adhere to the rule of only having 1 account. Yes you do, cause you check so in a box.

Cut & Dry he had more than 1 account, regardless of the reasoning, regardless of whether he was using the accounts to boost his score on one account or not its a violation of the rules that everyone has checked that they would follow when they signed up.

If you start allowing acceptable reasoning on this then you open the door for a loophole that any user can throw out there. Which in turn doesn't benefit the site or its users and we have even more mod decision hating going on.

Its pretty standard what happens when found in this violation, regardless of the situation. Both accounts get Busted, stripped of premium(s) and only the initial account will be available for a possible re-buy if that user wishes to continue to play on the site. Since the initial password was lost on the initial account this user was allowed to re buy under the steve 3ah accounts.

And one last tid bit to throw out there steve 3ah was BUSTED with billy07, britbloodthirsty, bean, geordielandpower, steve lee, sure steve. I'd say the excuse that you guys were trying to logically stand up for of losing the password on the one account doesn't stand up anymore.

Good Day,
KS

[Queen_Herpes]

Do you have to make a cognizant effort when creating an account on here to adhere to the rule of only having 1 account. Yes you do, cause you check so in a box.

Were it not for my freuquent visits to the cheating and abuse forum, I would have no idea about the "checkbox." It is completely forgettable. It is also something that I probably didn't read when I joined. There are so many programs, sites, etc., that require you to "click here" to "comply" that referring back to the "checkbox" as evidence of a person's malfesance is silly.

And one last tid bit to throw out there steve 3ah was BUSTED with billy07, britbloodthirsty, bean, geordielandpower, steve lee, sure steve. I'd say the excuse that you guys were trying to logically stand up for of losing the password on the one account doesn't stand up anymore.

So, he had more than just "Steve 3ah" and billy07???? My apologies. However, once again, if we knew this earlier in the post it would have spared me the time of discussing it here and with him. The more that is related to the players about a player's violations, the better.

So, will he be able to come back as billy07?

[the.killing.44]

Do you have to make a cognizant effort when creating an account on here to adhere to the rule of only having 1 account. Yes you do, cause you check so in a box.

Were it not for my freuquent visits to the cheating and abuse forum, I would have no idea about the "checkbox." It is completely forgettable. It is also something that I probably didn't read when I joined. There are so many programs, sites, etc., that require you to "click here" to "comply" that referring back to the "checkbox" as evidence of a person's malfesance is silly.

I have not heard many worse arguments.

[Queen_Herpes]

Do you have to make a cognizant effort when creating an account on here to adhere to the rule of only having 1 account. Yes you do, cause you check so in a box.

Were it not for my freuquent visits to the cheating and abuse forum, I would have no idea about the "checkbox." It is completely forgettable. It is also something that I probably didn't read when I joined. There are so many programs, sites, etc., that require you to "click here" to "comply" that referring back to the "checkbox" as evidence of a person's malfesance is silly.

I have not heard many worse arguments.

Oh, come on. How many times have you read the disclosures insert with a new phone? How many times have you "checked here" on a cell phone agreement? How many times have you "clicked to accept" the user agreement on a new computer, new piece of software, new video game, new internet account, etc., etc.,???

From the looks of it, I was way off on this player anyways. But had his original story been true, I think it is highly believable to walk right past the "no multis, I promise" checkbox without reading it or giving it a second thought.

[AndyDufresne]

I'm not sure the cell phone agreement is really an accurate analogy---considering we don't have pages for someone to read or scroll through. Pretty much all could be read in under a minute. Additionally, people can at any time refer easily to the rules page---more so than say they could read some old agreement they signed/checked long ago.

But all of this is probably a discussion for another topic!


--Andy

[the.killing.44]

Do you have to make a cognizant effort when creating an account on here to adhere to the rule of only having 1 account. Yes you do, cause you check so in a box.

Were it not for my freuquent visits to the cheating and abuse forum, I would have no idea about the "checkbox." It is completely forgettable. It is also something that I probably didn't read when I joined. There are so many programs, sites, etc., that require you to "click here" to "comply" that referring back to the "checkbox" as evidence of a person's malfesance is silly.

I have not heard many worse arguments.

Oh, come on. How many times have you read the disclosures insert with a new phone? How many times have you "checked here" on a cell phone agreement? How many times have you "clicked to accept" the user agreement on a new computer, new piece of software, new video game, new internet account, etc., etc.,???

From the looks of it, I was way off on this player anyways. But had his original story been true, I think it is highly believable to walk right past the "no multis, I promise" checkbox without reading it or giving it a second thought.

So? You're right, but you can't use "oh I didn't read the contract" as an excuse to break the rules. I said your using it as an argument was terrible, not your point itself.

[colton24]

I think he shouldn't have been busted because he didn't know about E-Tickets as many people don't. I mean really he shouldn't have been busted. Plus what if he can't access his E-Mail for some reason. I mean really comeon CC

[the.killing.44]

I think he shouldn't have been busted because he didn't know about E-Tickets as many people don't. I mean really he shouldn't have been busted. Plus what if he can't access his E-Mail for some reason. I mean really comeon CC

READ THE THREAD

[Bones2484]

I think he shouldn't have been busted because he didn't know about E-Tickets as many people don't. I mean really he shouldn't have been busted. Plus what if he can't access his E-Mail for some reason. I mean really comeon CC

Do you even bother to read the threads that you post in?

And one last tid bit to throw out there steve 3ah was BUSTED with billy07, britbloodthirsty, bean, geordielandpower, steve lee, sure steve. I'd say the excuse that you guys were trying to logically stand up for of losing the password on the one account doesn't stand up anymore.

Good Day,
KS

[king sam]

lol.. Im locking this. Colton heed the advice of the seasoned posters that posted above.

Case has been Closed due to steve 3ah having not 1, not 2 not 3 but 6 multiple accounts, and as stated the rules are readily available for all and if not followed then you leave yourself vulnerable to the consequences.

Feel free to take the discussion on procedures in this matter to the suggs & bugs forum if you wish.

P.S. Evidence at first only implicated the first 2 accounts, but further research showed all 6 were actually 1 hence why it wasn't announced earlier in the thread. And since the action was the same there was no need to add more implications to a player that already received his punishment.

King Sam