Gen.LeeGettinhed [Banned] DCR

[eddie2]

F city Mogul

hey, i resent that. i think i made a very nice map regardless of the fact that some people use it for farming.

hey dim maybe you could code it that the starting points are only 2 for 1 v 1... and they are more further apart from each other

[Frox333]

god damit, u calling glg a cheater? i played games with him, AND HE DID NOTHING OF THE SORT. take this down this instant. he is a fucking dick complaining sometimes LMFAO, but everybody does that. he plays fairly. damn u all for accusing him. just damn you

[eddie2]

god damit, u calling glg a cheater? i played games with him, AND HE DID NOTHING OF THE SORT. take this down this instant. he is a fucking dick complaining sometimes LMFAO, but everybody does that. he plays fairly. damn u all for accusing him. just damn you

rofl read 3 or 4 posts back

[codeblue1018]

Well it appears this is the case; how many more pm's can you send people GLG to speak on your behalf as your puppet. Keep stringing them around mate. So, so pathetic.

[jltile1]

Simple as this. . .

if you telling someone the map and setting to make you are there setting up the game right?
-NO. creating the game is setting the game up
-someone else creating the game is THEM setting it up
-what I do now is JOIN their game
. . . please use a dictionary

BULLSHIT



Now why if you want to play a game with those setting would you not just create it and put it up as a waiting speed game?
-because someone like a CCCW member would join, and I don't like them
-AND I can get distracted, and forget it is set up. . .has happened

YA RIGHT !!! You play 5 games a month a you would forget sure you spend so much time getting someone to join yet you would forget LMAO!!!


Unless you want a certain player to play your game right?
-NO.
-the certain players I WANT to join are female, naked and local.
-but I'll play people I think are friendly and beatable. no rule against that. It's called "Point management"

NEXT!. . .

Here is the point your seeking out people!!! You said it yourself beatable and you could care less about the rest. Point management is what farming ? Now let me out the basement as I'm going up Stairs to slap my mom after reading this.

[Frox333]

god damit, u calling glg a cheater? i played games with him, AND HE DID NOTHING OF THE SORT. take this down this instant. he is a fucking dick complaining sometimes LMFAO, but everybody does that. he plays fairly. damn u all for accusing him. just damn you

i forgot to say that i won.

[rhp 1]

:lol:

Well it appears this is the case; how many more pm's can you send people GLG to speak on your behalf as your puppet. Keep stringing them around mate. So, so pathetic.

they still have to speak on his behalf.. don't they? just like they had to choose to play a game with him... it's called free will... give it rest man...
they could have said no to playing him, just like they could have said no to posting in the thread on his behalf.....

at what point do you move on with your life? just go play some games.. you'll feel better... promise..

[Frox333]

haha, there u go rhp, thats the spirit. stupid accuser....

[deathcomesrippin]

And that's that.

[deathcomesrippin]

Gen.LeeGettinhed has been Banned 1 month for Gross Abuse of the Game.

[deathcomesrippin]

I apologize. I did not explain to anyone apart from GLG why he was given a ban. I will now, and we will see if it is ok with everyone. I am also going to unlock the thread, allow for people to post their (respectful) thoughts and comments, and attempt to answer them as much as I can.

Gen.LeeGettinhed was banned for 1 month as per the situation guidelines for Gross Abuse of Game, which is a major offence. The unofficial term for the particular problem is "Ranching". Simply speaking, it is the case of someone abusing the game by purposefully inviting people who have no experience with certain settings to guarantee a win.

Now, it isn't the fact that he is making these games that resulted in this. It is the fact that he would purposely seek out players with little to no experience on the maps, create the games, and invite them to private matches. This was under the guise of limiting losses, but regardless of the reason, it is still a gross abuse of our gaming system. People will say other players do this. Other players will start games, multiple ones, on maps that they are good at. I myself start 10+ Poland games whenever I get the urge to, as I feel it is my strongest map. But they do not purposely hunt down players who don't understand the maps and invite them under the guise of education, whether there was education or not. Again, this is abusing our system. After examining the situation, it was decided that this indeed did qualify as a Gross Abuse, and the infraction was handed down as per our guidelines. Any questions or comments (within reason), feel free to post in here. The same rules I posted earlier apply though: I won't tolerate any flaming, baiting, or anything of the sort. Keep the remarks clean. Thank you.

[Lindax]

Always nice to see an explanation in this particular forum, thanks.

Lx

[QoH]

Very good ruling here C/A team.

One thing I've wondered though... is how GLG gets his opponents to consent to the game? Either they're incredibly gullible, or he'd make a damn good salesman.

[DiM]

just curious,
he was banned for 1 month and stripped of his premium and this is his second major offence.
when does the score reset come? the 3rd?

[chemefreak]

Always nice to see an explanation in this particular forum, thanks.

Lx

+1

[DiM]

One thing I've wondered though... is how GLG gets his opponents to consent to the game? Either they're incredibly gullible, or he'd make a damn good salesman.

it's actually really easy to convince a low ranker to play with you if you're a conqueror.
first of all there's the potential of getting big points vs losing just a few which is appealing to anybody.
but more than that, you have the chance of beating the conqueror on his own turf under his own terms. it's the ultimate bragging thing for a lot of people.

[deathcomesrippin]

One thing I've wondered though... is how GLG gets his opponents to consent to the game? Either they're incredibly gullible, or he'd make a damn good salesman.

it's actually really easy to convince a low ranker to play with you if you're a conqueror.
first of all there's the potential of getting big points vs losing just a few which is appealing to anybody.
but more than that, you have the chance of beating the conqueror on his own turf under his own terms. it's the ultimate bragging thing for a lot of people.

That definitely could be the case more often than not. That never came to light.

[rhp 1]

I'll preface this with this... I've been accused of being one of GLG's minions or something to that effect because I posted things that could be construed as supportive in this thread... I have no relationship or attachment to GLG whatsoever and I don't like or dislike the guy... I really don't feel strongly in any direction about the him, and have chatted with him briefly on what I would guess is 2 occasions about topics that have nothing to do with game play... so I simply ask you read what I type critically and try not to inject personal feelings it... I know I don't take any of this personally, so I hope none of you do either... now...

most people control the games they play to some extent.. maybe GLG takes it too far, but I don't agree with this latest ruling (I do agree with the previous warning he received however)... people he has "targeted" in this latest round are people with experience on this site... sure, not on Mogul... but though most think that's the point, I would argue it's not.. How much experience would they need? 10 games? 50 games? some would say "how about 1 game?" lol... point taken. but the issue here is expectations... what were those players expectations when they were invited by GLG on that map? they have general CC experience, and if the top ranked player on the site invites you to play a game on a map you aren't familiar with, what are you your expectations? to gain map knowledge? to win? hahaha... seems the people that start these threads might be a bit more concerned about how it will affect the accused rather than the improvement of the site as a whole... I might be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time... It just bothers me when people aren't allowed to be responsible for themselves and their actions... If I were invited to a game by a top ranked player on a map I wasn't familiar with and got crushed, I wouldn't accuse that person of "gross abuse", "farming", "ranching" or anything else of the sort... I would accuse myself of stupidity, or at the very least of not paying attention to what I'm doing if I expected a different result.....
the last I'll say on this is that a few (1,2?) of the players he played spoke on his behalf... these testimonials, so to speak, were shot down, it was said, because GLG pm'd or walled them and told them what to say.. Ok.. granted... but did those players have to? Are they not able to make up their own mind? They easily could have said no to the invite, and then after the fact they could have said no to standing up on his behalf... just a thought...

This is not our site, and if the people in charge want to punish him.. fine by me... I just don't like the precedent it sets... that is, that people who have some reasonable level of experience need the protection of certain players and mods in order to play on CC.. It just doesn't seem right to me...

[squishyg]

will there be a point reset?

[Gunn217]

Nice job DCR. You'll have your detractors but the majority of the site supports what has happened here. It is also a great thing you are doing by explaining the decision and allowing comments, though I don't expect it to stay open long.

[rhp 1]

One thing I've wondered though... is how GLG gets his opponents to consent to the game? Either they're incredibly gullible, or he'd make a damn good salesman.

it's actually really easy to convince a low ranker to play with you if you're a conqueror.
first of all there's the potential of getting big points vs losing just a few which is appealing to anybody.
but more than that, you have the chance of beating the conqueror on his own turf under his own terms. it's the ultimate bragging thing for a lot of people.

That definitely could be the case more often than not. That never came to light.

not that it was intended this way, but this supports my position perfectly... now take it easy analogy police because this isn't too far off in humble opinion..

this makes me think of mike tyson in his prime... now I know a lot of people don't think GLG is a top player like tyson was a top boxer but hear me out...

the people who stepped in the ring with tyson, thought (at least some) that they could beat the champ... most on-lookers would have scoffed at the very notion of some of fighters who challenged him.. this thread would be akin to tyson being banned from the sport for "farming" unsuspecting boxers who he went on to physically destroy in most fights... this is ludicrous of course, but is not the worst analogy...

[jghost7]

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Gen.LeeGettinhed was banned for 1 month as per the situation guidelines for Gross Abuse of Game, which is a major offence. The unofficial term for the particular problem is "Ranching". Simply speaking, it is the case of someone abusing the game by purposefully inviting people who have no experience with certain settings to guarantee a win.

Now, it isn't the fact that he is making these games that resulted in this. It is the fact that he would purposely seek out players with little to no experience on the maps, create the games, and invite them to private matches. This was under the guise of limiting losses, but regardless of the reason, it is still a gross abuse of our gaming system. People will say other players do this. Other players will start games, multiple ones, on maps that they are good at. I myself start 10+ Poland games whenever I get the urge to, as I feel it is my strongest map. But they do not purposely hunt down players who don't understand the maps and invite them under the guise of education, whether there was education or not. Again, this is abusing our system. After examining the situation, it was decided that this indeed did qualify as a Gross Abuse, and the infraction was handed down as per our guidelines. Any questions or comments (within reason), feel free to post in here. The same rules I posted earlier apply though: I won't tolerate any flaming, baiting, or anything of the sort. Keep the remarks clean. Thank you.

This reasoning manufactured specifically to hang this player is utterly ridiculous. For one there is no way you can prove intent or that he purposely invited people with no experience with certain settings to guarantee a win. You are assuming that this is the case. It is only circumstantial evidence that they don't. He may have sought them out but you cannot prove that he did, and for what reasons.

Also, by inventing this interpretation of gross abuse, you set a precedence that allows for any condemnation of anyone who might invite someone to a map that they may not know. I feel that this slippery slope could lead to more reaching by mods to wrap rules around frustrating players rather than enforcing existing rules regularly.

This also does not take into account the rights of the other players to have a game against a player of their choice, be it GLG or some other strong player. There are no rules stating you must have experience on a map or settings before playing said maps or settings, and therefore it is also not against the rules for the opposite either. It is pretty lame to force players to maprank every potential opponent prior to agreeing to a game like an interview.

I don't particularly pay much attention to the antics and fanfare that is GLG nor do I condone any such tactics. But it simply is a fact that the handling of the GLG cases and its subsequent manipulation and twisting of rules is an atrocious and disreputable use of the mods use of interpretation of the existing rules. And to me that is a bigger issue than anything that GLG has done, whether he farmed or not.

We rely on the volunteers that make up the C&A to be fair and to do the right thing according to the rules that are set in place to keep order here and allow us to enjoy the site. There must have been alot of pressure to have some results against this player, but I still think that it should have been done within the rules already in place.

Thanks,

J

[codeblue1018]

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Gen.LeeGettinhed was banned for 1 month as per the situation guidelines for Gross Abuse of Game, which is a major offence. The unofficial term for the particular problem is "Ranching". Simply speaking, it is the case of someone abusing the game by purposefully inviting people who have no experience with certain settings to guarantee a win.

Now, it isn't the fact that he is making these games that resulted in this. It is the fact that he would purposely seek out players with little to no experience on the maps, create the games, and invite them to private matches. This was under the guise of limiting losses, but regardless of the reason, it is still a gross abuse of our gaming system. People will say other players do this. Other players will start games, multiple ones, on maps that they are good at. I myself start 10+ Poland games whenever I get the urge to, as I feel it is my strongest map. But they do not purposely hunt down players who don't understand the maps and invite them under the guise of education, whether there was education or not. Again, this is abusing our system. After examining the situation, it was decided that this indeed did qualify as a Gross Abuse, and the infraction was handed down as per our guidelines. Any questions or comments (within reason), feel free to post in here. The same rules I posted earlier apply though: I won't tolerate any flaming, baiting, or anything of the sort. Keep the remarks clean. Thank you.

This reasoning manufactured specifically to hang this player is utterly ridiculous. For one there is no way you can prove intent or that he purposely invited people with no experience with certain settings to guarantee a win. You are assuming that this is the case. It is only circumstantial evidence that they don't. He may have sought them out but you cannot prove that he did, and for what reasons.

Also, by inventing this interpretation of gross abuse, you set a precedence that allows for any condemnation of anyone who might invite someone to a map that they may not know. I feel that this slippery slope could lead to more reaching by mods to wrap rules around frustrating players rather than enforcing existing rules regularly.

This also does not take into account the rights of the other players to have a game against a player of their choice, be it GLG or some other strong player. There are no rules stating you must have experience on a map or settings before playing said maps or settings, and therefore it is also not against the rules for the opposite either. It is pretty lame to force players to maprank every potential opponent prior to agreeing to a game like an interview.

I don't particularly pay much attention to the antics and fanfare that is GLG nor do I condone any such tactics. But it simply is a fact that the handling of the GLG cases and its subsequent manipulation and twisting of rules is an atrocious and disreputable use of the mods use of interpretation of the existing rules. And to me that is a bigger issue than anything that GLG has done, whether he farmed or not.

We rely on the volunteers that make up the C&A to be fair and to do the right thing according to the rules that are set in place to keep order here and allow us to enjoy the site. There must have been alot of pressure to have some results against this player, but I still think that it should have been done within the rules already in place.

Thanks,

J

Received this yesterday mate; the authors name was removed. If this isn't seeking players out, I'm not sure what is; he clearly took advantage of others mate.

Sent: Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:13 pm
From:
To: codeblue1018 

Hey bro,
When I was a Private, I got a PM from GLG. He invited me to play a speed game. I said I don't know much, just started a month ago. He said, it will be fun, come on...

So I followed into the slaughter.
A. I never played a speed game before. My internet download speed was preschool to his High speed broadband.
B. I played freestyle once prior,
C. I never played City Mogul before...
D. The game was Fog. I had no clue what to do...
E. The game was 1-2 minute speed.

GLG, must be using BOB to see who has not played City Mogul before and ask them to play. I had zero chance of winning. When the game started, I asked him how to play, he said he would tell me in live chat after the game... I told him that this was silly that he should just have a donation box. But I was knew and I thanked him for the game, but inside I was frustrated that he did that to me...

[rhp 1]

...
Gen.LeeGettinhed was banned for 1 month as per the situation guidelines for Gross Abuse of Game, which is a major offence. The unofficial term for the particular problem is "Ranching". Simply speaking, it is the case of someone abusing the game by purposefully inviting people who have no experience with certain settings to guarantee a win.

Now, it isn't the fact that he is making these games that resulted in this. It is the fact that he would purposely seek out players with little to no experience on the maps, create the games, and invite them to private matches. This was under the guise of limiting losses, but regardless of the reason, it is still a gross abuse of our gaming system. People will say other players do this. Other players will start games, multiple ones, on maps that they are good at. I myself start 10+ Poland games whenever I get the urge to, as I feel it is my strongest map. But they do not purposely hunt down players who don't understand the maps and invite them under the guise of education, whether there was education or not. Again, this is abusing our system. After examining the situation, it was decided that this indeed did qualify as a Gross Abuse, and the infraction was handed down as per our guidelines. Any questions or comments (within reason), feel free to post in here. The same rules I posted earlier apply though: I won't tolerate any flaming, baiting, or anything of the sort. Keep the remarks clean. Thank you.

This reasoning manufactured specifically to hang this player is utterly ridiculous. For one there is no way you can prove intent or that he purposely invited people with no experience with certain settings to guarantee a win. You are assuming that this is the case. It is only circumstantial evidence that they don't. He may have sought them out but you cannot prove that he did, and for what reasons.

Also, by inventing this interpretation of gross abuse, you set a precedence that allows for any condemnation of anyone who might invite someone to a map that they may not know. I feel that this slippery slope could lead to more reaching by mods to wrap rules around frustrating players rather than enforcing existing rules regularly.

This also does not take into account the rights of the other players to have a game against a player of their choice, be it GLG or some other strong player. There are no rules stating you must have experience on a map or settings before playing said maps or settings, and therefore it is also not against the rules for the opposite either. It is pretty lame to force players to maprank every potential opponent prior to agreeing to a game like an interview.

I don't particularly pay much attention to the antics and fanfare that is GLG nor do I condone any such tactics. But it simply is a fact that the handling of the GLG cases and its subsequent manipulation and twisting of rules is an atrocious and disreputable use of the mods use of interpretation of the existing rules. And to me that is a bigger issue than anything that GLG has done, whether he farmed or not.

We rely on the volunteers that make up the C&A to be fair and to do the right thing according to the rules that are set in place to keep order here and allow us to enjoy the site. There must have been alot of pressure to have some results against this player, but I still think that it should have been done within the rules already in place.

Thanks,

J

Received this yesterday mate; the authors name was removed. If this isn't seeking players out, I'm not sure what is; he clearly took advantage of others mate.

Sent: Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:13 pm
From:
To: codeblue1018 

Hey bro,
When I was a Private, I got a PM from GLG. He invited me to play a speed game. I said I don't know much, just started a month ago. He said, it will be fun, come on...

So I followed into the slaughter.
A. I never played a speed game before. My internet download speed was preschool to his High speed broadband.
B. I played freestyle once prior,
C. I never played City Mogul before...
D. The game was Fog. I had no clue what to do...
E. The game was 1-2 minute speed.

GLG, must be using BOB to see who has not played City Mogul before and ask them to play. I had zero chance of winning. When the game started, I asked him how to play, he said he would tell me in live chat after the game... I told him that this was silly that he should just have a donation box. But I was knew and I thanked him for the game, but inside I was frustrated that he did that to me...

really? this is your sheep? "must be using BOB"? lmao.. yea.. completely clueless player with g-m add-ons... ok...

[codeblue1018]

RHP,

Apparently you cannot grasp the "point" made here. I would expect better from you, very disappointing

One of many, many cases mate, hence the reason for the warning and now ban. If you have a problem with the "noobs" falling prey to GLG, feel free to do something about it instead of adding useless comments eh.