Will the Real Gen.LeeGettinhed please stand up![CLEARED]es

[GoranZ]

Im speechless about this.....I will be joining those on the list of not renewing their premium..I have been on this site for 1 and half years now and have bought premium twice and entered two CC cups....thats over 60 euro I have wasted on this site and it will be the last lack gets from me..........I will post my real feelings on all this later....................................................................................................

I'll add... No contribution for maps, ideas, suggestions, not reporting bugs etc...

[ljex]

Some of us have absolutely no faith in the hunters' tools.

Looking at the source I just lol'd.

I seriously doubt you'd be laughing if you had been the victim, instead of me. It was pretty upsetting.

I honestly wish that I had cheated, so that I would have had no one to blame but myself, and I could finally find peace on CC.

But, no... now I'm stuck with this harsh, bitter resentment, and a gut-wrenching desire for revenge... with no one to take it out on.
For, above all else, I am left with confusion; thus, the only people I can direct my anger on are those who do not share my lack of clarity, who truly believe it was me, and especially those who, by unhappy chance, had a hand in administering undeserved "justice" upon me.

Having shared a similar experience on this site, i agree wholeheartedly with what is stated above. It is easy to accept the consequences of something that you have actually done, it is completely different to be punished for something you know you didn't do.

I used to be a huge advocate for Conquer Club, as was Commander62890. I dedicated my time to being a Discussion Volunteer and Global Moderator, bought about 5 different members premium, and told others they should join conquer club. Since being found guilty of my supposed infraction not only have i stopped buying others premium and donating my time to the site, but i have serious reservations about refiling my premium come September when it runs out. Yes I am fully aware of the fact that you or even the admins may not care about one member choosing to leave as you have so eloquently stated earlier. But when the number of members who have such reservations increases seemingly daily one would think eventually it becomes of concern...especially when these are players who have been prevalent in the community for the past few years.

Now I'm sure few will read this post, as it is buried in a closed C&A report; however, I think this issue of longtime members being fed up is one that needs to be addressed by the admins sooner rather than later. It is my sincerest hope that one of them will stumble upon it, and as a result, discuss the ramifications of this issue for conquer club and its future.

[jgordon1111]

Some of us have absolutely no faith in the hunters' tools.

Looking at the source I just lol'd.

I seriously doubt you'd be laughing if you had been the victim, instead of me. It was pretty upsetting.

I honestly wish that I had cheated, so that I would have had no one to blame but myself, and I could finally find peace on CC.

But, no... now I'm stuck with this harsh, bitter resentment, and a gut-wrenching desire for revenge... with no one to take it out on.
For, above all else, I am left with confusion; thus, the only people I can direct my anger on are those who do not share my lack of clarity, who truly believe it was me, and especially those who, by unhappy chance, had a hand in administering undeserved "justice" upon me.

Having shared a similar experience on this site, i agree wholeheartedly with what is stated above. It is easy to accept the consequences of something that you have actually done, it is completely different to be punished for something you know you didn't do.

I used to be a huge advocate for Conquer Club, as was Commander62890. I dedicated my time to being a Discussion Volunteer and Global Moderator, bought about 5 different members premium, and told others they should join conquer club. Since being found guilty of my supposed infraction not only have i stopped buying others premium and donating my time to the site, but i have serious reservations about refiling my premium come September when it runs out. Yes I am fully aware of the fact that you or even the admins may not care about one member choosing to leave as you have so eloquently stated earlier. But when the number of members who have such reservations increases seemingly daily one would think eventually it becomes of concern...especially when these are players who have been prevalent in the community for the past few years.

Now I'm sure few will read this post, as it is buried in a closed C&A report; however, I think this issue of longtime members being fed up is one that needs to be addressed by the admins sooner rather than later. It is my sincerest hope that one of them will stumble upon it, and as a result, discuss the ramifications of this issue for conquer club and its future.

I think ljex and commander may have the right of this, more are talking about leaving and how messed up things have gotten

[jj3044]

First rule of building a successful business: Take every step possible to KEEP your existing customers.

[Chariot of Fire]

I'm with ljex and Commander on this. I saw what happened to them and thought "OK, perhaps I'm not in possession of all the details" and that their punishment was excessive but maybe justified. Now having been on the receiving end of it myself (and in possession of all the details far better than anyone else) I have simply lost all faith. Along with this faith goes my desire to do anything for the welfare of this site: bringing new players into the clan, helping on new maps, reporting C&A, contributing to the CLA, assisting with ladders/rankings, renewing my premium, encouraging my clan members to renew membership, etc.

Sure, it's just one player. "Big deal" you may think. But if the same mood permeates throughout a wider (and more silent) audience then one day this place will just be left to an inept administration and a leaderboard topped by scam artists. It's a pity. It could be so much better if someone in authority had the moral fibre or a sympathetic ear.

[lackattack]

looks like glg signed another check over. just helping the mods out in their personal lives, while they turn a blind eye.

btw, I have it on good authority that lackattack has VERY little to do with this site anymore. It's pretty much being run (into the ground) by Andy Dufresne, with help from KA and others. I haven't started a non tournament game, and once my tournament games are done, i'm out. I've decided to file a report about cc.com below:

http://www.consumerfraudreporting.org/reporting.php

I suggest others do the same, so that someone takes a look inside of whats going on behind closed doors at this site. I guarantee you they will discover some interest stuff, like dice codes.

AndyDufresne and king achilles work hard and are really dedicated to serving our members and volunteers. I keep up-to-date on their work and give them feedback and direction. I can only think of one explanation for why you think CC is a scam - you must be a troll! So if you file a report about CC on ConsumerFraudReporting.org, I will file a report about you on WebsiteTrollReporting.org. I'll even suggest others do the same (possibly with bribes of secret dice codes) to expose your trollish ways

[happy2seeyou]

looks like glg signed another check over. just helping the mods out in their personal lives, while they turn a blind eye.

btw, I have it on good authority that lackattack has VERY little to do with this site anymore. It's pretty much being run (into the ground) by Andy Dufresne, with help from KA and others. I haven't started a non tournament game, and once my tournament games are done, i'm out. I've decided to file a report about cc.com below:

http://www.consumerfraudreporting.org/reporting.php

I suggest others do the same, so that someone takes a look inside of whats going on behind closed doors at this site. I guarantee you they will discover some interest stuff, like dice codes.

AndyDufresne and king achilles work hard and are really dedicated to serving our members and volunteers. I keep up-to-date on their work and give them feedback and direction. I can only think of one explanation for why you think CC is a scam - you must be a troll! So if you file a report about CC on ConsumerFraudReporting.org, I will file a report about you on WebsiteTrollReporting.org. I'll even suggest others do the same (possibly with bribes of secret dice codes) to expose your trollish ways

I might be up for a good bribe or even playing a game with Lack were he doesn't miss turns!

[comic boy]

I'm with ljex and Commander on this. I saw what happened to them and thought "OK, perhaps I'm not in possession of all the details" and that their punishment was excessive but maybe justified. Now having been on the receiving end of it myself (and in possession of all the details far better than anyone else) I have simply lost all faith. Along with this faith goes my desire to do anything for the welfare of this site: bringing new players into the clan, helping on new maps, reporting C&A, contributing to the CLA, assisting with ladders/rankings, renewing my premium, encouraging my clan members to renew membership, etc.

Sure, it's just one player. "Big deal" you may think. But if the same mood permeates throughout a wider (and more silent) audience then one day this place will just be left to an inept administration and a leaderboard topped by scam artists. It's a pity. It could be so much better if someone in authority had the moral fibre or a sympathetic ear.

For what its worth I saw no reason to renew premium , I haven't even bothered to play a game for about 3 months, this site has lost its soul

[eddie2]

i think it is time for a thread just to see what players we are actually losing...... nice to see lack has popped in pity he can't respond when people are calling out for rule changes etc..

[Evolution299]

Really? Lack took the time to read some of the responses and the only one he cared about was MB's where MB is filing a complaint with consumer fraud. He even goes so far as to threaten MB that he will file a counterclaim.

Seriously?!?! What is wrong with this site when even the owner could care less about everyones opinions. Alot of us feel a lack of trust and integrity from those who run this, and LAck comes, comments about one post and ignores the real responses to this problem.

I knew I shouldn't have renewed.

[Serbia]

Really? Lack took the time to read some of the responses and the only one he cared about was MB's where MB is filing a complaint with consumer fraud. He even goes so far as to threaten MB that he will file a counterclaim.

Seriously?!?! What is wrong with this site when even the owner could care less about everyones opinions. Alot of us feel a lack of trust and integrity from those who run this, and LAck comes, comments about one post and ignores the real responses to this problem.

I knew I shouldn't have renewed.

I continue to be utterly flabbergasted by the number of people who waste their time on a website about which they have nothing good to say. If you're that bothered, why don't you just leave?

[hmsps]

looks like glg signed another check over. just helping the mods out in their personal lives, while they turn a blind eye.

btw, I have it on good authority that lackattack has VERY little to do with this site anymore. It's pretty much being run (into the ground) by Andy Dufresne, with help from KA and others. I haven't started a non tournament game, and once my tournament games are done, i'm out. I've decided to file a report about cc.com below:

http://www.consumerfraudreporting.org/reporting.php

I suggest others do the same, so that someone takes a look inside of whats going on behind closed doors at this site. I guarantee you they will discover some interest stuff, like dice codes.

AndyDufresne and king achilles work hard and are really dedicated to serving our members and volunteers. I keep up-to-date on their work and give them feedback and direction. I can only think of one explanation for why you think CC is a scam - you must be a troll! So if you file a report about CC on ConsumerFraudReporting.org, I will file a report about you on WebsiteTrollReporting.org. I'll even suggest others do the same (possibly with bribes of secret dice codes) to expose your trollish ways

I dont think many people would argue that King A, Andy, Evil Semp and others do a good job, but if this is the only post you can grace people with your presence and in that manner which frankly is. schoolboy stuff, really you shouldn't have bothered.

[Evolution299]

Really? Lack took the time to read some of the responses and the only one he cared about was MB's where MB is filing a complaint with consumer fraud. He even goes so far as to threaten MB that he will file a counterclaim.

Seriously?!?! What is wrong with this site when even the owner could care less about everyones opinions. Alot of us feel a lack of trust and integrity from those who run this, and LAck comes, comments about one post and ignores the real responses to this problem.

I knew I shouldn't have renewed.

I continue to be utterly flabbergasted by the number of people who waste their time on a website about which they have nothing good to say. If you're that bothered, why don't you just leave?

Oh Serbia, Its because I like this site that I say what I do. I have vision and see how well this site COULD run, but DOESN'T because of its leadership in the C&A department. Thanks for caring though, and have a great day!

[lackattack]

Really? Lack took the time to read some of the responses and the only one he cared about was MB's where MB is filing a complaint with consumer fraud. He even goes so far as to threaten MB that he will file a counterclaim.

Seriously?!?! What is wrong with this site when even the owner could care less about everyones opinions. Alot of us feel a lack of trust and integrity from those who run this, and LAck comes, comments about one post and ignores the real responses to this problem.

I knew I shouldn't have renewed.

I take the integrity of the game quite seriously, and I do care about our members opinions. I don't like it either when our Conqueror gets his points from cheap tactics. We just don't have a solution yet. Once again we spent quite a bit of time this morning discussing farming and ranching during the admin meeting. I've recently made improvements to the anti-farming ban, and there are more measures coming soon to protect new recruits. As king achilles has pointed out many times, it is very tricky to make rules against taking advantage of lower ranks because it is very hard to draw a line between abuse and normal playing. If you have any suggestions on how to enforce a ranching rule in a practical way we would love to hear them. In the meantime I'm looking into changing the join a game pages to show new games first, to discourage ranching, but there are serious issues I need to iron out (i.e. will most games still fill?, what to do with games that never fill?).

By the way, my counterclaim threat was a joke, that website doesn't even exist!

[Chariot of Fire]

Thank you. This is exactly the kind of response I think most would like to hear - that you and your team are at least aware of the problem and are discussing it. I'm fairly certain a set of rules and guidelines could be proposed for you to consider. There's none better-qualified than those who invest a lot of their time on this site playing the game fairly.

[ljex]

Really? Lack took the time to read some of the responses and the only one he cared about was MB's where MB is filing a complaint with consumer fraud. He even goes so far as to threaten MB that he will file a counterclaim.

Seriously?!?! What is wrong with this site when even the owner could care less about everyones opinions. Alot of us feel a lack of trust and integrity from those who run this, and LAck comes, comments about one post and ignores the real responses to this problem.

I knew I shouldn't have renewed.

I take the integrity of the game quite seriously, and I do care about our members opinions. I don't like it either when our Conqueror gets his points from cheap tactics. We just don't have a solution yet. Once again we spent quite a bit of time this morning discussing farming and ranching during the admin meeting. I've recently made improvements to the anti-farming ban, and there are more measures coming soon to protect new recruits. As king achilles has pointed out many times, it is very tricky to make rules against taking advantage of lower ranks because it is very hard to draw a line between abuse and normal playing. If you have any suggestions on how to enforce a ranching rule in a practical way we would love to hear them. In the meantime I'm looking into changing the join a game pages to show new games first, to discourage ranching, but there are serious issues I need to iron out (i.e. will most games still fill?, what to do with games that never fill?).

By the way, my counterclaim threat was a joke, that website doesn't even exist!

The best one i have seen to date is viewtopic.php?f=4&t=161292

i feel it draws a nice line in that anyone who hosts public games is fine but those who try to target lower ranked players when joining games are in violation. One would of course have to determine what a lower ranked player is and then how to know what rank someone was when the games were joined but i think this would help eliminate experienced players joining against new players and inviting them to games for the specific tactic of improving their statistics.

there is a clear loophole in the fact that the quads public games with low rankers will still be a method to get to conqueror (e.g. the method me and blitz used to get to the #1 spot) but i feel this would be a good change for the site as a whole and not spoil the fun of conquerclub where there is no rank segregation among public games.

[Evolution299]

Really? Lack took the time to read some of the responses and the only one he cared about was MB's where MB is filing a complaint with consumer fraud. He even goes so far as to threaten MB that he will file a counterclaim.

Seriously?!?! What is wrong with this site when even the owner could care less about everyones opinions. Alot of us feel a lack of trust and integrity from those who run this, and LAck comes, comments about one post and ignores the real responses to this problem.

I knew I shouldn't have renewed.

I take the integrity of the game quite seriously, and I do care about our members opinions. I don't like it either when our Conqueror gets his points from cheap tactics. We just don't have a solution yet. Once again we spent quite a bit of time this morning discussing farming and ranching during the admin meeting. I've recently made improvements to the anti-farming ban, and there are more measures coming soon to protect new recruits. As king achilles has pointed out many times, it is very tricky to make rules against taking advantage of lower ranks because it is very hard to draw a line between abuse and normal playing. If you have any suggestions on how to enforce a ranching rule in a practical way we would love to hear them. In the meantime I'm looking into changing the join a game pages to show new games first, to discourage ranching, but there are serious issues I need to iron out (i.e. will most games still fill?, what to do with games that never fill?).

By the way, my counterclaim threat was a joke, that website doesn't even exist!

I agree with COF, Lack. This is what you should be telling us as paying customers. Everything seems so secretive and noone.
If you would have said that in the first place, instead of the post that you made, I NEVER would have said what I did.

To you Lack I appologize.

[eddie2]

this is a big step lack maybe you could get involved in a gd thread maybe even start one to get everyones feedback.... this thread i feel is a big step in the correct direction because you have actually posted something for people to think about.

[lackattack]

Thanks guys. And you're right I should communicate more what we're working on.

I'm going to discuss that possible solution with the admins during our next meeting...

[hmsps]

Thanks guys. And you're right I should communicate more what we're working on.

I'm going to discuss that possible solution with the admins during our next meeting...

Credit where credit is due. That is what people have been asking for, a little transparency.

[sdh]

thankyou lackattack, good to hear.

[ubcman64]

Thanks guys. And you're right I should communicate more what we're working on.

I'm going to discuss that possible solution with the admins during our next meeting...

yes, thank you

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

I'm with ljex and Commander on this. I saw what happened to them and thought "OK, perhaps I'm not in possession of all the details" and that their punishment was excessive but maybe justified. Now having been on the receiving end of it myself (and in possession of all the details far better than anyone else) I have simply lost all faith. Along with this faith goes my desire to do anything for the welfare of this site: bringing new players into the clan, helping on new maps, reporting C&A, contributing to the CLA, assisting with ladders/rankings, renewing my premium, encouraging my clan members to renew membership, etc.

Sure, it's just one player. "Big deal" you may think. But if the same mood permeates throughout a wider (and more silent) audience then one day this place will just be left to an inept administration and a leaderboard topped by scam artists. It's a pity. It could be so much better if someone in authority had the moral fibre or a sympathetic ear.

For what its worth I saw no reason to renew premium , I haven't even bothered to play a game for about 3 months, this site has lost its soul

I was displeased that a medal was put into place and I was overlooked because I could not provide a screen shot to prove that I obtained conqueror even though it was common knowledge I obtained this. I even gave a specific time frame ( within a month ) and who I surpassed for number 1 ( Poo Maker ) but it still wasnt enough. It took other CC players to finally provided the "proof" that was required. It is going on 5 months for non premium for me. I been a member here for 6 years and at one time owned every major CC record. Most games played, most games won, most unique defeats, most medals, being number 1 twice, etc. I spent 4 years documenting the all time high scores which was kept more accurately than the script that most players use these days.

[BGtheBrain]

And on that note. This thread is locked.