owenshooter - Personal Information Abuse[closed]

[Vace Cooper]

Wrong, Gypsy. DaGip flew Owens avatar with f*ck scrawled on his Tshirt. Effectively "f*ck Owen" was his message. That was the beef with the avatar, nit that someone else flew it. Everyone is in here rewriting Owen history and even when wrong it still rocks!

[Gypsys Kiss]

Wrong, Gypsy. DaGip flew Owens avatar with f*ck scrawled on his Tshirt. Effectively "f*ck Owen" was his message. That was the beef with the avatar, nit that someone else flew it. Everyone is in here rewriting Owen history and even when wrong it still rocks!

It was an issue.....but so was the avatar itself

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=74210&hilit=Dagip

garbage, he had "cock sucker" on my IMAGE which he does not have my permission to use, and it was removed by twill. when his 3 day ban was up, he returned, and reposted MY IMAGE with "free owen" on it, against the guidelines and rules of the community. they clearly state:

Don't ever post personal information of other users. Anywhere. Ever. Even if they already posted it somewhere else. This includes posting personal information about a CC user on another site, you will be held accountable here.

he has RE-POSTED personal info of another user, which he is not allowed to do, even if i have posted it somewhere else (my old avatar/my clan sig), and he needs a DM ban, period. i don't think there is anything muddy about this...-0

[eddie2]

The problem with the post, is that it contained personal information that InsomniaRed NEVER posted on CC, and in fact, it can be reasonably assumed that she absolutely DID NOT WANT THE INFORMATION IN THE LINK EVER MADE PUBLIC ON CC.

i got to agree that this guy is not a cc member. but i also have to bring up the fact that if you click the facebook like link in the left hand panel go to the 5k people who are members of cc facebook you will find insomnia reds facebook page. which is where the info was got from so it was public info already. if owen does get punished for this then admin need to take a serious look at themselves along with lack because facebook pages holds personal info. and that link by it self gives all members acsess to players personal info so is in breach of the site rule in question.

[lord voldemort]

The problem with the post, is that it contained personal information that InsomniaRed NEVER posted on CC, and in fact, it can be reasonably assumed that she absolutely DID NOT WANT THE INFORMATION IN THE LINK EVER MADE PUBLIC ON CC.

i got to agree that this guy is not a cc member. but i also have to bring up the fact that if you click the facebook like link in the left hand panel go to the 5k people who are members of cc facebook you will find insomnia reds facebook page. which is where the info was got from so it was public info already. if owen does get punished for this then admin need to take a serious look at themselves along with lack because facebook pages holds personal info. and that link by it self gives all members acsess to players personal info so is in breach of the site rule in question.

I came here to say this. Its quite easy to get to her facebook already through cc's 'Official page'
She has already put herself out there as to who she is as a person to CC.

As for the guy. He isn't a member...therefore has no rights of privacy. Or are you to tell me I couldn't post a random facebook like of my friends photo I find funny?? Or something similar??

The timing of this thread reeks of a)desperation and b) stupidity. I don't even know why the mods haven't cleared it and seriously I like Serbia but its a blatant waste of time and bandwidth. Do you not think that if the mods had thought it was sharing personal info they would of already warned/banned where appropriate. I know they are sometimes an incompetent bunch but they aren't that bad. And they were on the ball with all the IR stuff going around anyway. As was Andy...who is a stickler for the rules (as he should be)

[Serbia]

This post is the most ironic post of them all. From owen's own quoting:

Wrong, Gypsy. DaGip flew Owens avatar with f*ck scrawled on his Tshirt. Effectively "f*ck Owen" was his message. That was the beef with the avatar, nit that someone else flew it. Everyone is in here rewriting Owen history and even when wrong it still rocks!

It was an issue.....but so was the avatar itself

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=74210&hilit=Dagip

garbage, he had "cock sucker" on my IMAGE which he does not have my permission to use, and it was removed by twill. when his 3 day ban was up, he returned, and reposted MY IMAGE with "free owen" on it, against the guidelines and rules of the community. they clearly state:

Don't ever post personal information of other users. Anywhere. Ever. Even if they already posted it somewhere else. This includes posting personal information about a CC user on another site, you will be held accountable here.

he has RE-POSTED personal info of another user, which he is not allowed to do, even if i have posted it somewhere else (my old avatar/my clan sig), and he needs a DM ban, period. i don't think there is anything muddy about this...-0

Some of you say that owenshooter had to prove that he was right, and that InsomniaRed was lying. Why? What does it matter? And if the only way to prove that you're right about someone is to post the other's personal information, then you can't do it; it's against the rules.

And this is NOT the same as someone posting a random facebook page, where you can follow links from there to find personal information about someone else. The linked-to page is the page that contained information about a CC user. It was also posted specifically to share that personal information about that user, based on the quote.

There was intent, and the intent was malicious. The question now is, will Conquer Club punish this appropriately? Or, is this going to be the new modus operandi:

*mod edit*

Doesn't this simply mean this has already been dealt with?

That's precisely what it means, which is why I'm learning towards interpreting this "report" as beating a dead horse and harassment against owen.

I know, right?

Like, I could post extremely racist comments, throw in some porn links and then call someone a "giant cock-sucking maggot whore", but as long as the post gets edited, I should be fine.

[Frop]

Don't be such a drama queen, Army of God's comparison is ridiculous at best and completely out of context. The moderator ruling back then was to remove the offensive content and no further actions were taken. I would be highly surprised if your hypocrite little vendetta is going to cause any backlash.

[Serbia]

hyp·o·crite    [hip-uh-krit]
noun

1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

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Now that you all know the definition, you can either explain to me how I'm being a hypocrite, or find a more accurate word to describe your anger towards me.

But the real question here is: am I wrong? You cannot prove that I am wrong. Which leads us to the most important question: What will Conquer Club do about this? Will they uphold their own rules, and follow their own punishment guidelines? Or are they going to sweep this under the rug?

[jgordon1111]

you people amaze me its a game forum. i could understand if IR was the one screaming but shes not. your own personal petty vendetta's are flying all over the place. whinning i want so and so punished because...... oh because i am a whinner and want to stir up crap about a dying person...... oh shes not really dying. and can post her own defense on cc. play the game foe the people you dont like or shut the f up. do you people have nothing better to do in life. or better still is this how you conduct yourselves outside of cc. if so dear lord stay away from me you whinners and complainers. you dont like my post foe me. very easily done and would probably would cut down on alot of whinning

[Army of GOD]

Don't be such a drama queen, Army of God's comparison is ridiculous at best and completely out of context. The moderator ruling back then was to remove the offensive content and no further actions were taken. I would be highly surprised if your hypocrite little vendetta is going to cause any backlash.

BUT ITS AGAINST THE RULES TO POST IT IN THE FIRST PLACE

He broke the rules and got off scot-free. And don't get me wrong, owen and I are friends (or at least I think we are). I enjoy his posts and what he does for this site. But I want some God damn consistency with the mods. strike made a mistake by not punishing owen. If owen goes unpunished for this, there's a precedent set that says mods can edit rule violations and not punish the poster.

[Army of GOD]

you people amaze me its a game forum. i could understand if IR was the one screaming but shes not. your own personal petty vendetta's are flying all over the place. whinning i want so and so punished because...... oh because i am a whinner and want to stir up crap about a dying person...... oh shes not really dying. and can post her own defense on cc. play the game foe the people you dont like or shut the f up. do you people have nothing better to do in life. or better still is this how you conduct yourselves outside of cc. if so dear lord stay away from me you whinners and complainers. you dont like my post foe me. very easily done and would probably would cut down on alot of whinning

No, owen broke the rules. And this isn't one of those vague "not sure where the line is" rules about trolling, flaming, baiting, etc.

This is a rules violation. He posted personal information. People have posted my Facebook before and have gotten a warning for it (I didn't report them. It just came automatically).

[jgordon1111]

then ban him from forum posts for a week and be done with it. let the punishment fit the crime beings what he did was uncover a horrible lie and himself got banned from live chat by an ex mod who shouldnt have had the power to do it for calling said MOD out on said horrible lie. he has already been punished by cc via ex MOD once. this is now a double jeopardy if he gets punished again really. but if punishment is what the whinners want then let it be a week. not the major infraction that it would normally be,under these circumstances. need to remember IR used a power that cc gave her to ban owen,that rightfully did not belong to her anymore. have not heard one word about the punishment for her on doing this

[eddie2]

No, owen broke the rules. And this isn't one of those vague "not sure where the line is" rules about trolling, flaming, baiting, etc.

This is a rules violation. He posted personal information. People have posted my Facebook before and have gotten a warning for it (I didn't report them. It just came automatically).

what rules did he actually break come on tell me he clicked flike 5k went to insomnias facebook page it changed to in a relationship so he posted to counter act what she said as a leaving statement. sorry but owen got a lot of shit for what he was saying the night she left me included (even got kicked from live chat for it) so he has found proof and posted it where is the problem he used info availible to all members. So lets just let this die and stop the petty vendetas that go on.

Serbia you dont like owen and owen i am sure dont like you. it is like me and a couple of members of this site. FAMO thats all i can say, one of the m,embers posted my real name a while back you dont see me screaming about it because i joined facebook page so it is public.

[king achilles]

Since owenshooter is already serving a 3 month forum ban, I would include this infraction with it.

It is wrong to post any personal information of others, most especially if your motive is to make a mockery out of that person or to evoke more flaming for him/her. For facebook information, you can use your own facebook profiles to spread what you want to say but keep it off from this website. The argument that you can use a non-member's profile is not valid in this case as it is very obvious who you are pertaining to.

Trolling is the intentional attempt to cause chaos.

show: Trolling Specifics

Flames are posts or parts of posts which, directly or indirectly, insult, belittle, bully, name-call, or otherwise attack another user, and are not allowed.

show: Flaming Specifics

[Serbia]

king achilles, I very much appreciate the ruling here. The only further question I have, is why the punishment for this violation is going to be lumped in with a Minor Infraction (in this case, being the maximum 3 month forum vacation) instead of the next-level for a Major/Severe Infraction? The rules clearly state that Personal Information Abuse is a "Major/Severe Infraction", and recent precedent shows that a second Major/Severe Infraction leads to a full website ban. (precedent I'm citing is the Blitzaholic Account Sitting Abuse case) Can you please clarify this point?

[Rodion]

I also have 2 questions of my own. It looks like Owenshooter was banned from Live Chat by a CC mod because he didn't believe a false story.

1 - What that ban warranted or unwarranted according to CC guidelines?

2 - If that ban was unwarranted, is Owenshooter getting any compensation after being unfairly punished?

[Army of GOD]

I also have 2 questions of my own. It looks like Owenshooter was banned from Live Chat by a CC mod because he didn't believe a false story.

1 - What that ban warranted or unwarranted according to CC guidelines?

2 - If that ban was unwarranted, is Owenshooter getting any compensation after being unfairly punished?

I have no clue what happened, but trust me, I highly doubt (like, 99.99999994% sure) they'll reverse it.

[jgordon1111]

and is anyone going to punish serbia for his ongoing unrelenting harrasment of another player like he has.because cc MODs have ruled on this twice now and yet their rulings are not good enough.now its become harrasment in my opinion.your whinning is getting old on this subject dude let be. if you are so much into the rules you might want to read the flaming and trolling sections a little better.causing chaos and personal attacks cyber bullying. etc,.

[jefjef]

and is anyone going to punish serbia for his ongoing unrelenting harrasment of another player like he has.because cc MODs have ruled on this twice now and yet their rulings are not good enough.now its become harrasment in my opinion.your whinning is getting old on this subject dude let be.

You apparently misunderstood king achilles ruling. He is stating that owenshooter is indeed GUILTY of posting personal information. He is just lumping it together with owens current ban. So this complaint filed by Serbia can not be considered harassment.

Personally though I think Serbia should just thank king a, be finished with this and not pursue an additional or more severe punishment.

[jgordon1111]

no jefjef i understood it.my point was serbia is still pushing it even after the ruling.

[jefjef]

no jefjef i understood it.my point was serbia is still pushing it even after the ruling.

Well he does have a valid point and asking a valid question. Posting personal info is a Major infraction and subject to much more severe punishment then the minor infraction that is currently being served.

[Army of GOD]

Serbia is in no way harassing anyone.

[angola]

The page he linked wasn't to IR, or any other CC user. It is just a guy's page....and therefore CC basically has no jurisdiction.

Believe me, the BpB have been all over the personal info rules since the whole clan recieved a ban for including Owen's pic in our sig (yes, it was a witchhunt whcich the mod who banned us openly flaunted).

If memory serves, you wanted the person using Owens Avatar banned....why was it such a surprise when everyone using the said avatar got banned? Owen keeps screaming out about consistency, well on that occasion he got it.

As for the Matt Damon issue, you can google his name and get all the info you want, but you probably couldn't do that with just a photo of IR's new boyfriend or any other photo of a nameless face.

I understand what you are saying, and while IR isn't equal to Matt Damon, you can find everything that has been presented on this site through a google search. You just have to push on for more pages than the average person wants to look through.

In fact, rather than punishing owen, I think CC should use this situation to point out that no one is actually secret on the web - no matter if they use a handle or not. It would be a good lesson for a lot of folks.

Because if people want to figure you out, they will. So, don't post anything about yourself. Ever. Or you will get found out (Insomnia Red - by folks like me finding porno pictures of you). Awkward for everyone involved.

[king achilles]

king achilles, I very much appreciate the ruling here. The only further question I have, is why the punishment for this violation is going to be lumped in with a Minor Infraction (in this case, being the maximum 3 month forum vacation) instead of the next-level for a Major/Severe Infraction? The rules clearly state that Personal Information Abuse is a "Major/Severe Infraction", and recent precedent shows that a second Major/Severe Infraction leads to a full website ban. (precedent I'm citing is the Blitzaholic Account Sitting Abuse case) Can you please clarify this point?

I agree that revealing one's personal identifiable info is classified as a major infraction. For this case, I think the link was pertaining to someone's profile linking to a CC member. I would take this more as a flame or baiting than a major infraction, but it can also be seen as posting someone's personal information indeed. It is already noted in his record so in case he does this again in the future, we know that it would not be his first time anymore.

[eddie2]

king achilles, I very much appreciate the ruling here. The only further question I have, is why the punishment for this violation is going to be lumped in with a Minor Infraction (in this case, being the maximum 3 month forum vacation) instead of the next-level for a Major/Severe Infraction? The rules clearly state that Personal Information Abuse is a "Major/Severe Infraction", and recent precedent shows that a second Major/Severe Infraction leads to a full website ban. (precedent I'm citing is the Blitzaholic Account Sitting Abuse case) Can you please clarify this point?

I agree that revealing one's personal identifiable info is classified as a major infraction. For this case, I think the link was pertaining to someone's profile linking to a CC member. I would take this more as a flame or baiting than a major infraction, but it can also be seen as posting someone's personal information indeed. It is already noted in his record so in case he does this again in the future, we know that it would not be his first time anymore.

well see my pm sent to you. lol this has just brought up a whole new kettle of fish.

[Serbia]

king achilles, I very much appreciate the ruling here. The only further question I have, is why the punishment for this violation is going to be lumped in with a Minor Infraction (in this case, being the maximum 3 month forum vacation) instead of the next-level for a Major/Severe Infraction? The rules clearly state that Personal Information Abuse is a "Major/Severe Infraction", and recent precedent shows that a second Major/Severe Infraction leads to a full website ban. (precedent I'm citing is the Blitzaholic Account Sitting Abuse case) Can you please clarify this point?

I agree that revealing one's personal identifiable info is classified as a major infraction. For this case, I think the link was pertaining to someone's profile linking to a CC member. I would take this more as a flame or baiting than a major infraction, but it can also be seen as posting someone's personal information indeed. It is already noted in his record so in case he does this again in the future, we know that it would not be his first time anymore.

Thank you for the response. I appreciate the speed with which this ruling was handed down.