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Re: FredVIII [Pending]

Postby FredVIII on Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:12 pm

dunno how you worked that one out but whatever

i see theres a bandwagon here, all gang up against jeff, and i dont want to be the odd one out so ill stop posting in here
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Re: FredVIII [Pending]

Postby killerpit4e on Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:18 pm

its called libel
its a felony in the US
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Re: FredVIII [Pending]

Postby demonfork on Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:29 pm

FredVIII wrote:dunno how you worked that one out but whatever

i see theres a bandwagon here, all gang up against jeff, and i dont want to be the odd one out so ill stop posting in here


I don't blame you I would probably plea the fifth too if I was in your shoes.
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Re: FredVIII [Pending]

Postby killerpit4e on Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:06 pm

I guess this also shows your edits to my post were libelous?

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(the black is covering Jeff rl name so that I am not posting personal information)

Other than the unfairly banned part, it looks like all of this was just part of your plan to start over on another account :-k
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Re: FredVIII [Pending]

Postby a.sub on Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:07 pm

killerpit4e wrote:its called libel
its a felony in the US

A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation.


BLUE Jeffs above publication was not meant to show that the chat had said "Jeff Hardy(max)" but that the Jeff's that he has labeled with the "(max)" are what he claims are the posts made by max while his account was hacked and not by Jeff himself. Ergo your attack already falls short because it fails to meet the primary criterion of the above definition.

RED Jeffs above quote did not damage anybody's reputation as all it does is increase his own reputation. Although one may argue that this does indirectly say demon is a liar and max is a hacker, by the publication must say so directly. For example the publication could have said "Demon is a liar" or "This is max an did hacked this account." Because of the lack of this we can obviously see that the above post fails the second criterion of libel

Before accusing someone of a felony read up a bit more on law ;) :lol:
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Re: FredVIII [Pending]

Postby killerpit4e on Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:25 pm

a.sub wrote:
killerpit4e wrote:its called libel
its a felony in the US

A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation.


BLUE Jeffs above publication was not meant to show that the chat had said "Jeff Hardy(max)" but that the Jeff's that he has labeled with the "(max)" are what he claims are the posts made by max while his account was hacked and not by Jeff himself. Ergo your attack already falls short because it fails to meet the primary criterion of the above definition.

RED Jeffs above quote did not damage anybody's reputation as all it does is increase his own reputation. Although one may argue that this does indirectly say demon is a liar and max is a hacker, by the publication must say so directly. For example the publication could have said "Demon is a liar" or "This is max an did hacked this account." Because of the lack of this we can obviously see that the above post fails the second criterion of libel

Before accusing someone of a felony read up a bit more on law ;) :lol:


While you are correct in your statement that Jeff was claiming it was max that commented in chat, it was not max speaking. He is claiming that max was making a statement that he never said- hence it is a false publication

Furthermore, Jeff claims it was max who said he was leaving the site and instigating issue with Jeff. By making that statement, he is not only causing max to look like a liar
(as he has no intention of leaving) but also saying that he is responsible for instigating issue with jeff. That is potentially damaging to max's reputation, making it libel
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Re: FredVIII [Pending]

Postby a.sub on Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:38 pm

killerpit4e wrote:
a.sub wrote:
killerpit4e wrote:its called libel
its a felony in the US

A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation.


BLUE Jeffs above publication was not meant to show that the chat had said "Jeff Hardy(max)" but that the Jeff's that he has labeled with the "(max)" are what he claims are the posts made by max while his account was hacked and not by Jeff himself. Ergo your attack already falls short because it fails to meet the primary criterion of the above definition.

RED Jeffs above quote did not damage anybody's reputation as all it does is increase his own reputation. Although one may argue that this does indirectly say demon is a liar and max is a hacker, by the publication must say so directly. For example the publication could have said "Demon is a liar" or "This is max an did hacked this account." Because of the lack of this we can obviously see that the above post fails the second criterion of libel

Before accusing someone of a felony read up a bit more on law ;) :lol:


While you are correct in your statement that Jeff was claiming it was max that commented in chat, it was not max speaking. He is claiming that max was making a statement that he never said- hence it is a false publication

Furthermore, Jeff claims it was max who said he was leaving the site and instigating issue with Jeff. By making that statement, he is not only causing max to look like a liar
(as he has no intention of leaving) but also saying that he is responsible for instigating issue with jeff. That is potentially damaging to max's reputation, making it libel


BLUE already covered when i said about indirect and direct slander reprodouced below
Jeffs above quote did not damage anybody's reputation as all it does is increase his own reputation. Although one may argue that this does indirectly say demon is a liar and max is a hacker, by the publication must say so directly. For example the publication could have said "Demon is a liar" or "This is max an did hacked this account." Because of the lack of this we can obviously see that the above post fails the second criterion of libel


RED if you cant prove that it wasnt max on Jeff's account its your word against his and this is a dispute of which neither proven a lie. A stalemate by lack of evidence is not illegal. until you can come up with substantial evidence that its not max then its not libel

once again not libel

EDIT: spelling mistakes
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Re: FredVIII [Pending]

Postby Bruceswar on Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:39 pm

Killer since when did you become all knowing? Just a serious question. Honestly that does not look like a Killer post at all.
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Re: FredVIII [Pending]

Postby killerpit4e on Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:45 pm

Bruceswar wrote:Killer since when did you become all knowing? Just a serious question. Honestly that does not look like a Killer post at all.



The only reasons why my posts seem all knowing is because well i was on my onje week live chat ban I decided to inform myself before saying anything stupid
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Re: FredVIII [Pending]

Postby karel on Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:49 pm

Bruceswar wrote:Killer since when did you become all knowing? Just a serious question. Honestly that does not look like a Killer post at all.


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Re: FredVIII [Pending]

Postby owenshooter on Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:30 pm

this is getting really good.. wow...-0
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Re: FredVIII [Pending]

Postby ronsizzle on Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:40 pm

i'm calling colombo, and matlock on this one.
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Re: FredVIII [Pending]

Postby a.sub on Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:15 pm

we should start a live sitcom and use it to bank a profit
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Re: FredVIII [Pending]

Postby KoE_Sirius on Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:41 pm

Thrilling stuff...ZZZZzzzZZZ .Another $25 fee coming CC's way.
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Re: FredVIII [Pending]

Postby king achilles on Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:50 am

I get sick and we have 5 pages for this thread.

"The accused are suspected of:

Other: Trolling. Putting him on foe was not enough, now he follows me around and tells people how to play against me in game chat
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- We will be needing more than 1 game for this. And FredVIII, if you really want a disciplinary action, please do continue to annoy people for your own enjoyment.

Moving forward, screenshot says:
So basically, I trusted you with my password and you used it to gain access to (cut)... lol.

Based from that "sentence", I can say that is not enough to prove or make us do anything about it. Demonfork, you gave us a small part of what the whole conversation really is. I believe there is more than just that screenshot. No action is necessary right now if this all just going to be based on 1 line of a probably more revealing chat conversation.

The fact is, max got hold of the Jeff Hardy account. It got banned and now he has this FredVIII account.

We are also aware that these things can also be edited, however, demonfork, if you know more or if you can reveal the whole conversation or story, then we can move forward with it. Even the posting of a can of worms is somewhat 'amusing'.
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Re: FredVIII [Pending]

Postby demonfork on Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:01 pm

king achilles wrote:I get sick and we have 5 pages for this thread.

"The accused are suspected of:

Other: Trolling. Putting him on foe was not enough, now he follows me around and tells people how to play against me in game chat
."

- We will be needing more than 1 game for this. And FredVIII, if you really want a disciplinary action, please do continue to annoy people for your own enjoyment.

Moving forward, screenshot says:
So basically, I trusted you with my password and you used it to gain access to (cut)... lol.


You might want to check out the screen shot again.. there are 3 lines

"Jeff"- i trusted you with my password
"Jeff"- and you used it to gain access to my account and then get me banned
"Jeff"- lol

I'm not sure how you come to conclusion that this is incomplete or that something was omitted but w/e

....however, demonfork, if you know more or if you can reveal the whole conversation or story, then we can move forward with it...


The only other piece of evidence that I can offer at the moment is this...

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Being a fan of these guys in and of itself should be enough to get you perma banned.
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Re: FredVIII [noted]

Postby ronsizzle on Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:54 pm

i dont entirely get this either.

demonfork couldnt have been clearer with the screenshot he gave. this is another example of jeff hardy lying about someone hacking into his account.

i also dont understand why the cc community wasnt alerted when he got a new account? he was a general playing as a private?

these are announcements that the cc community would have liked to have known about. did the admin/mods think that noone would notice? there were three threads within a week accusing him of being a multi.
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Re: FredVIII [noted]

Postby FredVIII on Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:10 pm

ronc8649 wrote:i dont entirely get this either.

demonfork couldnt have been clearer with the screenshot he gave. this is another example of jeff hardy lying about someone hacking into his account.

i also dont understand why the cc community wasnt alerted when he got a new account? he was a general playing as a private?

these are announcements that the cc community would have liked to have known about. did the admin/mods think that noone would notice? there were three threads within a week accusing him of being a multi.

1. i think youll find i was never actually a private because i won 109 points on my third game :P
2. editing screenshots is easy, maxatstuy is quite capable of doing so
3. earlier in this thread you said i should be cleared - be careful what you wish for in future ;)
4. i know lots of people that have been busted for multis and are still playing, i will not name them though because its really none of anyones business. they made a multi, payed the price and learned from their mistakes.
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Re: FredVIII [noted]

Postby ronsizzle on Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:32 pm

FredVIII wrote:
ronc8649 wrote:i dont entirely get this either.

demonfork couldnt have been clearer with the screenshot he gave. this is another example of jeff hardy lying about someone hacking into his account.

i also dont understand why the cc community wasnt alerted when he got a new account? he was a general playing as a private?

these are announcements that the cc community would have liked to have known about. did the admin/mods think that noone would notice? there were three threads within a week accusing him of being a multi.

1. i think youll find i was never actually a private because i won 109 points on my third game :P
2. editing screenshots is easy, maxatstuy is quite capable of doing so
3. earlier in this thread you said i should be cleared - be careful what you wish for in future ;)
4. i know lots of people that have been busted for multis and are still playing, i will not name them though because its really none of anyones business. they made a multi, payed the price and learned from their mistakes.


i actually agree with you. i dont think there should ever be a perma ban. i think a maximum of 6 months as a penalty for something. i think this would actually make less multis.

i am still having a hard time understanding how someone could hack into an account though? how is he unable to hack into anybody elses? that is the question through all of this that hasnt been answered.

i think if that happened, you should have a point reset back to your old status. i dont think it is fair to you if you were hacked to have to pay again.
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Re: FredVIII [noted]

Postby Timminz on Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:06 pm

ronc8649 wrote:i think if that happened, you should have a point reset back to your old status.

Or, at least, they could have changed the name of your new account to "Jeff Hardy". You claim to be keen on keeping the old one.
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Re: FredVIII [noted]

Postby king achilles on Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:32 pm

Let me clarify that this report is mainly for FredVIII trolling demonfork's games. His other case is noted and will be handled in time.
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