kraphtone- extreme noob farming [warned]

[obliterationX]

101% presposterous.

[AAFitz]

101% presposterous.

82% of games with new recruits

over 50% of players new recruits

whats presposterous is seeing this as anything except targeting new recruits

[alster]

101% presposterous.

You wanna bet? Or would you even wanna try out the stats I sent you by pm a while back?

[obliterationX]

101% presposterous.

You wanna bet? Or would you even wanna try out the stats I sent you by pm a while back?

Let's try them out!

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

101% presposterous.

You wanna bet? Or would you even wanna try out the stats I sent you by pm a while back?

Let's try them out!

your farming thread is coming up next.......not to get off topic here

[obliterationX]

101% presposterous.

You wanna bet? Or would you even wanna try out the stats I sent you by pm a while back?

Let's try them out!

your farming thread is coming up next.......not to get off topic here

Nothing but a waste of time if you ask me, friend, I'm sure less than 2% of my opponents are ?s.

Edit: On second thoughts, I'll be adventurous, and approximate that less than 1% of my opponents are NR's.

[colton24]

johnny what i'm doing is not farming, i'm opening alot of games, quite a few of em get jumped on by new recruits, i can't help that...

farming is where you join games with low ranks to gain advantage and build your score...

It Looks Something Like This

Game 472627
Game 472961
Game 472971
Game 476852
Game 476883
Game 476894
Game 476910
Game 476969
Game 476979
Game 477053
Game 477099
Game 477185
Game 477191
Game 477192
Game 477200
Game 477246
Game 477248
Game 477259
Game 477720
Game 477730
Game 477940
Game 477964
Game 478148
Game 478386
Game 478436
Game 479114
Game 479209
Game 480222
Game 480090
Game 481068
Game 481631
Game 481730
Game 481813
Game 481857
Game 482005
Game 482593
Game 482718
Game 483100
Game 483178
Game 483199
Game 483202
Game 483341
Game 483488
Game 483528
Game 483552
Game 483585
Game 483599
Game 483659
Game 483687
Game 484382
Game 484851
Game 484983
Game 485069
Game 485106
Game 485130
Game 485423
Game 485539
Game 485588
Game 485617
Game 486005
Game 486044
Game 486125
Game 486287
Game 486387
Game 486413
Game 486470
Game 486482
Game 486485
Game 486486
Game 486487
Game 486618
Game 487364
Game 487486
Game 488111
Game 488305
Game 488653
Game 488660
Game 488927
Game 488977
Game 489183
Game 489350
Game 489362
Game 489461
Game 489466
Game 489523
Game 489608
Game 489677
Game 489770
Game 489956
Game 490063
Game 490132
Game 490221
Game 490336
Game 491696
Game 492094
Game 492100
Game 492410
Game 492959
Game 493023
Game 493041


This is just the first 100... he has over 6500 1vs1 casual games where he joined with a low rank

You'll notice that these are listed from longest time ago to most recent... I started from the first casual game that game finder could find, and worked my way up... he's been doing it forever

Kudos Though On Your # Of Wins And Your Win Percentage And Whatever Else It Is That You Seem To Brag About All The Time

Learn From Etropal And Stay Away From K1 Before He Busts You

They are all corporals or corporal 1st class. You don't have proof they were new recruits

[lord voldemort]

OK,

After a discussion with other mods I have decided to issue Krapt with a warning.
The high % of new recruits is a worry, but mostly the fact that Krapht admits that he knows these games attract new recruits and he contiuues to create the games. We consider this a grose abuse of the game as it creates annoying and unwelcoming gaming atmospheres for the New Recruits involved.
Lack is in the process of adding Feudal to the mpas that new recruits can't play. When that happens I dont know, but he has been again made aware that it is a map used for farming. So he is 'on it'.

lv

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

OK,

After a discussion with other mods I have decided to issue Krapt with a warning.
The high % of new recruits is a worry, but mostly the fact that Krapht admits that he knows these games attract new recruits and he contiuues to create the games. We consider this a grose abuse of the game as it creates annoying and unwelcoming gaming atmospheres for the New Recruits involved.
Lack is in the process of adding Feudal to the mpas that new recruits can't play. When that happens I dont know, but he has been again made aware that it is a map used for farming. So he is 'on it'.

lv

as always, the mods made the right decision.

thanks,

JR

[Woodruff]

101% presposterous.

82% of games with new recruits
over 50% of players new recruits
whats presposterous is seeing this as anything except targeting new recruits

I must disagree. I have almost NEVER had an 8-man public game I've started (which is my preference) not have a ? in it. That's based on ALL maps (because I play a great many). It's frankly ludicrous to expect that it won't happen, as there are so damn many newbies running around...so should I be accused of newbie farming, as well? My only crime would be starting a lot of 8-player public games on a lot of different maps.

Totally non-sensical and illogical.

[ronsizzle]

if you are going to add it to the list, then that is great.

but recant the warning.

i must disagree as well. let me chalk this up to jr24 being that annoying kid in the front row again.

if you enjoy playing feudal, what else should he do? fucking ridiculous. this is cc's fault for not taking that map off of new recruits views in the first place. he isnt inviting anyone, and anyone is free to join. this makes no sense.

and i dont even like kraphtone! i cant stand him to be honest with you. i detest him. but i do stand for what is right, and this isnt right!

[lord voldemort]

As i stated already ron, Im not saying for him to stop playing this map. But he has admitted he knows that mostly new recruits join these games and he continues to take advantage of it. Thats where the problem is

[Tisha]

if he is warned for it, then there should be others as well. I don't know why he would be anyways though.. he can't control who joined the games. he has to stop playing the settings he likes because new recruits join?

the map should have been added to the no no list a long time ago...(and if you look back in the thread it was requested that the map be added to the list)

[BoganGod]

This complete bullshit. Mods pull your heads out of your collective behinds. Add it to the hard map/restricted map, etc. Don't stop people from playing their preferred settings, prevent noobs from joining difficult maps...... Unfair, shortsighted and just plain stupid ruling.

[prismsaber]

LOL @ people defending him. Anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass knows why he was making these games.

[BoganGod]

well, it actually makes alot of sense, if you want to stop farming new recruits... but I think youve made it fully clear that that was and is your intent. Have fun with it.

As far as swaying people...do you seriously gauge peoples opinion, by the handful of posts in a thread? Anyways, Ive only responded to each of your concerns, and since you were essentially accused of a kind of cheating....again...not real cheating...I felt you deserved responses. The fact that its the most farming since the rule was made is the other reason.

Oh, and sorry about those delay tactics that you foed me for. Its obvious you are out to play the most fair games out there possible now.

So now the truth comes out. Fitz is pissed off because he is on someones foe.... Hypocrite, not like you fitz. Shame on you.

[lord voldemort]

This complete bullshit. Mods pull your heads out of your collective behinds. Add it to the hard map/restricted map, etc. Don't stop people from playing their preferred settings, prevent noobs from joining difficult maps...... Unfair, shortsighted and just plain stupid ruling.

Did you actually read my post

[BoganGod]

Yes I read your post. The points you missed 1) why should he stop playing a favorite map because noobs can join the map(he stands a risk of losing more points again noobs than experienced players) 2) He like many others has requested that feudal be added to the list of difficult maps(this has been begged for/requested for well over 6months now) 3) No way this is gross abuse, he is not sending pm's and invites is he? 4) You are worried about new players having a bad experience, why let them play a map they can't understand(yes you say lack is belatedly getting on to it.) WHY ARE THE EXPERIENCES of new players more important than those of people that are into their second yr or greater of playing?

[alex951]

dont think he should get a warning. yea he knows that the game might attract ? but oh well. if lack is so worried about new recruits having a bad experience why hasn't he block ? from joining fuedals then?

[jefjef]

It's good to see that CC is going to add Feudal to the restricted map list BUT that just means they are FINALLY acknowledging that it needs to be.

So why the warning in re of this? IT'S YOUR FAULT.

[Woodruff]

LOL @ people defending him. Anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass knows why he was making these games.

If that's all the logic that's needed, why the hell is KLOBBER still running free? Sure, he doesn't target explicit noobs, but he sure as hell is violating the intent of the policy, and everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) knows it. There isn't even any question about it, unlike in this case. Yes, yes...the "magical" five games played...a weak excuse if I've ever heard one.

[owenator]

OK,

After a discussion with other mods I have decided to issue Krapt with a warning.
The high % of new recruits is a worry, but mostly the fact that Krapht admits that he knows these games attract new recruits and he contiuues to create the games. We consider this a grose abuse of the game as it creates annoying and unwelcoming gaming atmospheres for the New Recruits involved.
Lack is in the process of adding Feudal to the mpas that new recruits can't play. When that happens I dont know, but he has been again made aware that it is a map used for farming. So he is 'on it'.

lv

Doesn't this decision contradict the decision made against me? http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=94483&p=2170487#p2170487

Postby king achilles on Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:52 am
I checked if owenator is a multi with any new recruit and he is cleared. He also has a mixture of opponents.

For a newbie farming case possibility, I think it is no longer surprising that Feudal map is one of those maps that certain people have loved to use and create games from it, which coincidentally, many new recruits actually join. One question to ponder for one's intention is, would you love the map this much if you were not playing with new recruits most of the time?

I will be less strict from now on regarding this newbie farming rule as I do not want to dictate how a player wishes to enjoy the game on this site.

If the accused is the one joining the games and/or we see evidence that he/she is inviting new recruits, then we probably have a case to look at.

Still, if a player has mostly new recruits as his opponents in his collection of games with a specific setting, we might suggest to change your preferred settings from time to time in respect of the newbie farming rule.

If we get reports or comments about certain maps that have been 'abused' because they lure too many new recruits often, who knows, there could be some adjustments to further balance the games out there.

This is why I don't understand some of the decisions made. I've made a relevant point in this thread http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=99640 that relates to my dissatisfaction at the service level and consistency on how some judgments are made. You may as well warn several other Feudal players that have been previously been falsely accused. And you're more than welcome to start with me. Am I a farmer? No. I just love this map a lot. I don't have to explain why I make 4 player games, that's what I pay $25 for - supposedly for my enjoyment. The question is, if CC is seeing a trend whereby they see new recruits joining these maps - why don't they simply block them from playing until they've reached a certain rank? Just like how they cannot join public speed games. Has king achilles also been advised? I think that the wrong decision/judgment was made - even if it was a warning.

[king achilles]

The warning stands. The mere fact that kraphtone knows that new recruits are joining this particular setting so he could 'farm' points from them is an act of abuse of the game. The intent is there. He was creating these games in this setting because he knows new recruits are going to join. You guys know the rule about farming and yet you continue to do what could be perceived as farming. Even if you created these games, the intent was there and you were still systematically targeting new recruits with the knowledge that you have. Yes, we do not have control of who joins the games, but use your common sense. You know what is happening and you continue to do it, plus with the admittance of the person involved, it deserves a warning for the intention and the number of games that was provided.

"Newbie Farming" is the technique of setting up as many games as possible (either by starting or joining them) with New Recruits to gain easy points by taking advantage of difficult game options and the fact the New Recruits are more likely to deadbeat. Some players have been farming extensively - even sending hundreds of PMs to the latest members to get them into their games.

This is a gross abuse of the game. It gives the New Recruit "victims" a poor first experience and reduces the chances of them sticking around. As farmers move up the scoreboard it also harms the competitive nature of Conquer Club - the scoreboard is meant to measure skill in the game, not "harvesting" techniques.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=73745&start=0

[King_Herpes]

Awe come on KA, can't he just farm a little?

[KraphtOne]

the dumbest thing about this is after i made 50 games or so i posted a thread that says " hey, i get a bunch of new recruits joining these games that i like to play and it's ruining it" and the mods basically said "you can't help who joins your games no way to avoid the new recruits joining, just play and hope they don't"