Jeff Hardy [Blocked]

[lancehoch]

With the inbox, there are three settings if it gets full: 1) delete oldest (I believe this is the default setting); 2) manually delete (what WilliamWallace is apparently using); 3) move to Saved. People can have theirs set differently, so you cannot just assume that everyone is using the same.

[BaldAdonis]

With the inbox, there are three settings if it gets full: 1) delete oldest (I believe this is the default setting)

I don't think that is the default, cause I've never changed mine (didn't even know settings existed) and they get put on hold.

[The Neon Peon]

Might I ask this: What good does the PM do?

A person broke the rules, and admitted to it SEVERAL times, including, he said, to Twill. so, if someone confesses several times to breaking the rules, but they do not have the concrete evidence to prove it... nothing happens?

Are you telling me that he is lying about having the PM sent to him, and agreeing to throw the game? You think that never received a PM and did not throw the game then, and is lying to say he broke the rules?

The Text in Italics below has already been discussed, but I still think it needs to be brought up again.

As said before. Lets take away the chat, and the confession. Now, lets pretend someone put this in secret diplomacy, that they were working together. This means all we have to go off of is the log. Seems pretty obvious from that point too.

Okay, so maybe he got some really bad dice... okay, fair enough. Now, explain to me why a person would deploy all on a territory not bordering his enemy 3 rounds in a row and attack a neutral.

[maxatstuy]

Might I ask this: What good does the PM do?

A person broke the rules, and admitted to it SEVERAL times, including, he said, to Twill. so, if someone confesses several times to breaking the rules, but they do not have the concrete evidence to prove it... nothing happens?

Are you telling me that he is lying about having the PM sent to him, and agreeing to throw the game? You think that never received a PM and did not throw the game then, and is lying to say he broke the rules?

The Text in Italics below has already been discussed, but I still think it needs to be brought up again.

As said before. Lets take away the chat, and the confession. Now, lets pretend someone put this in secret diplomacy, that they were working together. This means all we have to go off of is the log. Seems pretty obvious from that point too.

Okay, so maybe he got some really bad dice... okay, fair enough. Now, explain to me why a person would deploy all on a territory not bordering his enemy 3 rounds in a row and attack a neutral.

I have to agree with Neon, there seems to be a huge double standard. When JCKing admitted to being JesusReigns, there was no proof of it and the IPs were completely different, the only thing connecting them was JCKings confession; why should the rules be different for multis as they are for this case? Just as much evidence exists here as it did in that case and in many others as well.

[lancehoch]

Guys, not sure if you missed it or something, but Twill has instated a block. What else are you looking for?

[maxatstuy]

OK, with the info that I have, I'm going to leave the block in place between willam-wallace and jeff, just in case.

A formal warning has also been issued to Jeff regarding requesting games be thrown. Again, this one case is not enough to take further action. If more games, players or information comes forward then further action may be taken depending on the severity of the case.

Just to be clear - with the initial decision from King and Lance it was consistent with the information they had at the time. Yes, more in depth investigation could have and perhaps should have been taken, but a post in a game chat is so easy to fabricate that to punish someone for it would have been irresponsible. As t the game he "threw", from looking at both games, the game could easily have been him giving up because of bad dice (look at it, his strategy is consistent throughout the game until jeff breaks his bonuses hard, probably because of bad defenses...he never reinforced them), it was not "clearly a thrown game"


Can we close this case now?

Twill

It sounded more like he was just leaving the block in place until this is resolved

[jbrettlip]

Sounds like th eblock should be against ANY new 1 v1 games...since he admitted to swaying people to throw them.

[lancehoch]

OK, with the info that I have, I'm going to leave the block in place between willam-wallace and jeff, just in case.
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Can we close this case now?

Twill

It sounded more like he was just leaving the block in place until this is resolved

Twill was the resolution; when a decision gets appealed, it goes to him. He put in place a temporary block then decided to leave it in place.

[hulmey]

OK, with the info that I have, I'm going to leave the block in place between willam-wallace and jeff, just in case.
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Can we close this case now?

Twill

It sounded more like he was just leaving the block in place until this is resolved

Twill was the resolution; when a decision gets appealed, it goes to him. He put in place a temporary block then decided to leave it in place.

bet jeff cries to all the noobs when he is losing!!

[Geger]

Agree, chat log can't proof anything, everybody can say what he wants. Posting the screenshot can't help too, because it can be modified before (with Photoshop for example).

I played tribalwars for more than 2 years (I know cc from highborn). What that site have, but this cc doesn't : We can forward an ingame message (PM) without the ability to modify it. I think this will be a good addition to this site, to avoid the same problems in the future.

Just my 2 cents

[Inhuman14]

Agree, chat log can't proof anything, everybody can say what he wants. Posting the screenshot can't help too, because it can be modified before (with Photoshop for example).

I played tribalwars for more than 2 years (I know cc from highborn). What that site have, but this cc doesn't : We can forward an ingame message (PM) without the ability to modify it. I think this will be a good addition to this site, to avoid the same problems in the future.

Just my 2 cents

Good idea - You want to put that in the sugs and bugs forum? If not, I'll do it.

[Geger]

Agree, chat log can't proof anything, everybody can say what he wants. Posting the screenshot can't help too, because it can be modified before (with Photoshop for example).

I played tribalwars for more than 2 years (I know cc from highborn). What that site have, but this cc doesn't : We can forward an ingame message (PM) without the ability to modify it. I think this will be a good addition to this site, to avoid the same problems in the future.

Just my 2 cents

Good idea - You want to put that in the sugs and bugs forum? If not, I'll do it.

You can do it. I'm too lazy to write in correct form

And thanks

[General Mojo]

So it seems as though Jeff is now permanently blocked from playing with William, so at least the result of all of this is some sort of punishment.


I am more concerned with the whole process....I mean, unless I am interpreting Lance's original decision incorrectly, even William's repeated admissions of guilt would not have been enough for him to implement any type of punishment against Jeff. How a case like this has to get appealed to get to the correct result is beyond my comprehension. I really think CC needs to re-evaluate the standards that the admins are using to evaluate threads such as these.

[lancehoch]

I am more concerned with the whole process....I mean, unless I am interpreting Lance's original decision incorrectly, even William's repeated admissions of guilt would not have been enough for him to implement any type of punishment against Jeff.

I never made any kind of decision, I do not have the power to make a decision. I was just stating what the hunters would have probably come back to say.

[RashidJelzin]

Well, the only purpose this thread had was to show the CC community how low some people have sunk. Quite sad, actually. The site is being overrun by morons, player and admin- wise.

[General Mojo]

Well, the only purpose this thread had was to show the CC community how low some people have sunk. Quite sad, actually. The site is being overrun by morons, player and admin- wise.

Rashid - your post reminds me of a scene from one of the great movies of my generation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDaiLK0ii0k

[sth_94]

i think if he cheated he should therefore be banned there is no ifs or buts about it cheaters never prosper but in this case he has

[owenator]

you people have way too much time to actually go through all the motions of calling someone a cheater, multi, etc. I am here to support Jeff and his integrity. And if you are so adamant about him being a cheater, my question is this: why do you care so much? It's just a game. Why take it so seriously? I'm so sick and tired of this bull$hit that happens in CC. And let me save some of you the time - I too have been called such but i still keep my account? I may as well call everyone a cheater every time I lose. Stop being such sore losers. Let it go. It's a dead issue and you have nothing to gain or lose.